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talaniman · Feb 9, 2020, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

BO was a closet Muslim, the Christianity was a sham, just expedient on the path to the WH, and attending church while being affiliated with none means nothing

Wow, Clete, pretty provocative even for you, but I doubt has a shred of truth given his lovely wife and children, but any religion he choses he has been as good an example as any, and left his dubious, morally challenged replacement a solid foundation to start with. LOL, I have to give you a pass though as I don't think either of them impresses you at all.

Originally Posted by Vacuum7

Paraclete: If what you say about Obama is true, then he is truly, truly, truly a disgusting human being...and not because he could be a Muslim or not but for denying his chosen religion while cloaking to imitate his belonging to another....this is a horrible thing to do.

What is obvious, from W.G.'s writings, Obama CANNOT be a Protestant Christian if he attends Episcopal Church (not compatible as Episcopalian is a Catholics rooted scism).

A man can be anything he chooses and worship what he pleases with whom he pleases to worship with. One thing about every major religion is the variety they have within them. You could say unique unto it's own congregations.

paraclete · Feb 9, 2020, 06:02 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Wow, Clete, pretty provocative even for you, but I doubt has a shred of truth given his lovely wife and children, but any religion he choses he has been as good an example as any, and left his dubious, morally challenged replacement a solid foundation to start with. LOL, I have to give you a pass though as I don't think either of them impresses you at all.

A man can be anything he chooses and worship what he pleases with whom he pleases to worship with. One thing about every major religion is the variety they have within them. You could say unique unto it's own congregations.

Your each way bet doesn't impress me, there is only one truth

jlisenbe · Feb 9, 2020, 06:03 AM

Um, then what is this?

"It is a verse and is very much an OT teaching. It is found in Exodus 21. "23 But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, 24 eye for eye,"

Um, it is exactly what I said it was. It is a statement that, unlike your ridiculously false claim, "an eye for an eye" really is a scripture found in the Bible. What it is NOT is any assumption of meaning for that text. Are all women as stubborn as you are when it comes to admitting being wrong??? (<:

No false claims from me! He doesn't need me. He is his own worst enemy!

No, you made no false claims unless, of course, you count your claims that Trump had a favorite verse, a false claim that even your own documentation disproved, and that he did not know any books of the Bible, another equally false claim for which you had no support at all. Other than those two ridiculously false claims, then no, you made no false claims.

jlisenbe · Feb 9, 2020, 06:09 AM

A man can be anything he chooses and worship what he pleases with whom he pleases to worship with. One thing about every major religion is the variety they have within them. You could say unique unto it's own congregations.

A man can choose his own god to worship, but he cannot choose his own truth, and he cannot choose his own consequences.

talaniman · Feb 9, 2020, 07:29 AM

Neither can YOU.

Vacuum7 · Feb 9, 2020, 07:56 AM

Jerry Falwell, a controversial Christian of the "Moral Majority" told a story that really distilled the root issue: I saw a bumper sticker in a car the other day that said "God said it, I believe it, and that's that!"....Well, that ain't right because that bumper sticker should have read "God said it and that's that! It doesn't matter if I believe it or not!". FALWELL'S version was the correct one.....I wasn't a follower of Falwell (I'm Catholic) but you don't have to be lock-step with everyone to find grains of truth that are universally applicable....and timeless!

jlisenbe · Feb 9, 2020, 07:57 AM

Neither can YOU.

Exactly correct. That's why it's beyond important that we get it right.

Wondergirl · Feb 9, 2020, 10:37 AM

V7 to Paraclete: If what you say about Obama is true, then he is truly, truly, truly a disgusting human being...and not because he could be a Muslim or not but for denying his chosen religion while cloaking to imitate his belonging to another....this is a horrible thing to do.

WG: Obama is not a closet Muslim.

"Obama, born in 1961, lived in Indonesia from 1967 to 1971.

Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/natio...ive-story.html

What is obvious, from W.G.'s writings, Obama CANNOT be a Protestant Christian if he attends Episcopal Church (not compatible as Episcopalian is a Catholics rooted scism).

Huh??? Again you don't make sense. So I am not a Protestant now because I set foot in a Catholic church and have prayed and studied the Bible with people of other denominations and beliefs? What God do YOU worship, V7?

Originally Posted by paraclete

Your each way bet doesn't impress me, there is only one truth

Which one?

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Um, it is exactly what I said it was. It is a statement that, unlike your ridiculously false claim, "an eye for an eye" really is a scripture found in the Bible. What it is NOT is any assumption of meaning for that text. Are all women as stubborn as you are when it comes to admitting being wrong??? (<:

Yes, it's referred to IN the Bible but is NOT a teaching.

Vacuum7 · Feb 9, 2020, 02:22 PM

W.G.: Six or seven years old in an Islamic School makes a mark on your psyche....and that DOES NOT MEAN OBAMA IS MUSLIM...it does mean that he has been impacted in his thought processes by Muslim ideology, and he can't help it, it is deeply buried in his subconsciousness.

Did not say you couldn't enter a non-Protestant Church if you were Protestant...not at all! All I am saying is that it is not normal behavior to alternate from one to the other on what looks to be a regular basis....a bit strange is all.

jlisenbe · Feb 9, 2020, 03:03 PM

Yes, it's referred to IN the Bible but is NOT a teaching.

Well, at least you've come to place of being half right. That's progress.

Wondergirl · Feb 9, 2020, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Vacuum7

W.G.: Six or seven years old in an Islamic School makes a mark on your psyche....and that DOES NOT MEAN OBAMA IS MUSLIM...it does mean that he has been impacted in his thought processes by Muslim ideology, and he can't help it, it is deeply buried in his subconsciousness.

He was at that school for three years.

I grew up in and was in close contact for YEARS with a very conservative Christian family and church body. You've noticed how my beliefs are still very conservative. After all, like you say, we can never get away from our earlier training....

Did not say you couldn't enter a non-Protestant Church if you were Protestant...not at all! All I am saying is that it is not normal behavior to alternate from one to the other on what looks to be a regular basis....a bit strange is all.

You need to get out more and talk with people different from yourself.

jlisenbe · Feb 9, 2020, 03:16 PM

You've noticed how my beliefs are still very conservative.

I must have missed the part where you have espoused conservative ideals.

talaniman · Feb 9, 2020, 04:13 PM

I didn't know you had to check all the boxes of YOUR conservative idealogy to be certified a conservative.

jlisenbe · Feb 9, 2020, 04:17 PM

I didn't know you had to check all the boxes of YOUR conservative idealogy to be certified a conservative.

Who said you did?

Wondergirl · Feb 9, 2020, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I must have missed the part where you have espoused conservative ideals.

You apparently missed seeing the sarcasm snugly hidden in that.

Not "espoused." Retained.

talaniman · Feb 9, 2020, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Who said you did?

Right here.

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I must have missed the part where you have espoused conservative ideals.

jlisenbe · Feb 9, 2020, 05:14 PM

Right here.

Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I must have missed the part where you have espoused conservative ideals.

I must have missed the part where I discussed checking boxes.

talaniman · Feb 9, 2020, 06:16 PM

It was strongly implied when you criticize the idealogy of an avowed lifetime conservative. I could be mistaken, but that's what I heard, or read.

Checking boxes is just a term to qualify one for whatever we are discussing i.e. conservative idealogy.

jlisenbe · Feb 9, 2020, 06:23 PM

It was strongly implied when you criticize the idealogy of an avowed lifetime conservative.

Did you read her reply? Does that sound like the reply of an "avowed lifetime conservative"?

"You apparently missed seeing the sarcasm snugly hidden in that.

Wondergirl · Feb 9, 2020, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Did you read her reply? Does that sound like the reply of an "avowed lifetime conservative"?

What's your definition of conservative?