[talaniman]

This is a great site:

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/prog...gration-trends

Seems migration patterns have ebbed and flowed.

[tomder55]

I don't care about migrant patterns from the past . All I ask is that immigration law gets enforced . You want to change the law ? Let's discuss. That is why I have been asking what level of enforcement of the border would you accept IF you are not an open border person. I don't believe most progressives have any level of enforcement that they find acceptable . That is why they designate their towns ,cities ,States "sanctuary" . Let's have it . If there are MS13 members in the caravan should they be let in ? If there are child sex traffickers in the group should they be let in ? If Jimmy Morales decided to empty his prisons like Castro did during the Mariel boat lift should they be let in ?

If they are coming here and their claim is asylum and in fact they are coming here for the economic opportunity then they are not entitled to asylum status . That is just the way it is . My ancestors came here legally under whatever law at the time applied .

[Wondergirl]

My ancestors came here legally under whatever law at the time applied .

Mine did too during the mid 1800s. There were very few immigration laws back then.

P.S. That's a terrific site, Tal!

[talaniman]

My ancestors came here legally under whatever law at the time applied .

Most of mine did too, but some didn't want to come, but chains are pretty convincing.

[talaniman]

https://www.americanimmigrationcounc...-a-new-reality

Many people assume that their family immigrated to the United States legally, or did it “the right way.” In most cases, this statement does not reflect the fact that the U.S. immigration system was very different in the past and that their families might not have been allowed to enter had today’s laws been in effect. When many families arrived in the United States, there were no numerical limitations on immigration, no requirements to have an existing family or employment relationship with someone in the country, and no requirement to obtain a visa prior to arriving. The definition of who is “legal”—and who is not—changes with the evolution of immigration laws. In some cases, claiming that a family came “legally” is simply inaccurate—unauthorized immigration has been a reality for generations.

[tomder55]

like I said . They came here legally under the law of the land at the time . I have no interest in the law of the past . I want the laws of today enforced .

[talaniman]

Me too! You can unlock these damn chains now!

[jlisenbe]

Me too! You can unlock these damn chains now!

The only chains on now are the self-inflicted ones.

[talaniman]

Show me yours I will show you mine but don't be offended if I don't take your word for it.

[tomder55]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFv_v16Orqw

[tomder55]

This is what my ancestors caravan looked like, as they came to America legally, respectfully, and were processed, vetted, given medical examinations and registered at a very orderly Ellis Island:

[talaniman]

Nice pic but what's your point?

[tomder55]

They did not come in a mile long mob brandishing their native flag . That's what invaders do. They have been offered asylum in Mexico . Why haven't they taken up that offer ?

As of today . Mueller has yet to charge a Trump associate with anything resembling election interference . I doubt that his charge against Concord will stand up either . Judge may dismiss outright. But then again Mueller never really thought this case would go to trial .He thought the Russians would be a no show .

[paraclete]

What a load of, how would you describe it? B/S,

[talaniman]

They did not come in a mile long mob brandishing their native flag . That's what invaders do. They have been offered asylum in Mexico . Why haven't they taken up that offer ?

Some very well might eventually but Euros immigrated under some very different circumstances to be sure, to this Euro dominated land. You weren't worried about being deported because you had peeps here already.

As of today . Mueller has yet to charge a Trump associate with anything resembling election interference . I doubt that his charge against Concord will stand up either . Judge may dismiss outright. But then again Mueller never really thought this case would go to trial .He thought the Russians would be a no show .

I got two words for ya' PLEA BARGAIN. They ALL take it on the condition of cooperation with the Mueller team. Gates faced similar charges that Manafort did, and PM has already been CONVICTED. Let Concord fight the charges against them, they can afford it, and are innocent until proved guilty. We will see what happens after silly season is over, and the states get their shots in.

Mueller isn't the only investigation going.

[jlisenbe]

"Mueller isn't the only investigation going."

Yep. Maybe some day he will actually come up with some evidence against Trump.

[talaniman]

Yeah, I guess nailing Russians means nothing. Nailing dufus campaign workers means NOTHING.

[jlisenbe]

Basically, that's right. No evidence against Trump means no evidence against Trump. You democrats kind of struggle with that "evidence" thing.

[talaniman]

There was no evidence against anyone until they found it through a well run investigation... which is ongoing.

[jlisenbe]

But none against Trump. None. Zero. Nada. After 18 months and millions of dollars, nothing.