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There are only opposites in your life? No shades of gray?

First thing to do is make a connection.

You said, "I wouldn’t start out with the truth? What??"

No, that's not how you start.

YOU right off the bat clobber them with "the truth," you said.

You've never been to classes on how to successfully evangelize?

So clobber them.

You certainly wouldn't start out with that. How would you begin?

And that is?

Then how can we help?

How do we make them holy?

I'm guessing they will say the elevator is on its way down, not up.
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Originally Posted by waltero https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png...

That seems reasonable to me when I think of all the evils in this life. Maybe we're at the basement level of the elevator that will someday take us to heaven. I wonder if there will be stops along...

(Sounds like the name of a song by Tina Turner in 1984!)

Love for humanity is why Jesus came to earth and died on the cross.

I'm not mad. waltero and I are in a discussion, and using short, simple sentences.

That's not what's going on here. Please butt out.

Yet we are all automatically loved.

Jesus came to Earth to save the world. Jesus will return to send those who never heard of Him and also all those unbelievers to hell?

What would you tell them?

What have you taught children about hell?

Ah, so you want ME to burn in hell too.

(You just don't get it about the word "hell" as it is found in the Bible, do you.)

Why isn't hell mentioned in the Apostles Creed?

Athos has already tried to school you on Jesus' use of the word "hell". Were you busy sending Facebook messages to Suzy again? You really, really...

[/B][/U]No mention of hell.

We don't have lives and responsibilities? You disappear during the afternoons and on Sundays.

Why do you think there are so many Christian denominations? Each has its own favorite beliefs somewhat different from the others' beliefs. Would you be comfortable in a Mormon church? a Lutheran...

So over the millennia, there have been no mistranslations, misunderstandings of words and terms and cultural references as the Bible has been translated from Hebrew and Greek to the English versions...

So you believe the Bible has remained EXACTLY as it was when holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost? (2 Peter 1:21)

I said, "our Old Adam is always very present to twist and mangle the words in the Bible."

Noooooo! You DON'T get it! You always get your thoughts and then your sentences all tangled up. Keep it simple! Freud would call it "flight of ideas".


We are always on the prowl (lookout) for...

I agree that the Holy Spirit works faith in us and some people reject it.

I was responding to YOUR comment: "It's a glorious message to me, and it's a glorious message to anyone willing to accept it."

Remember, we can accept it only with the Holy Spirit's help.

WG replies: Simply reading and reflecting on the Scriptures isn't enough to be a witness. As we well know, our Old Adam is always very present to twist and mangle the words in the Bible. That's why I...

We don't accept it on our own--we can accept it only with the Holy Spirit's help. We ourselves, on our own, can only refuse it

And you want all those "others" whom you don't like to go to hell, so you and the other 874 REAL Christians can enjoy heavenly bliss.

An educator refuses to simplify?

Jesus changes everything regarding God's wrath.

Like I said, state it so I do.

Read the OT.

If I see it, feel it, taste it, hear it, smell it, it's part of my personal experiences. What else is there?

I did that on purpose, knowing you'd understand.

I don't???

Then restate it in clear English -- simply stated, not convoluted.

Don't go there!

As I posted earlier, "because He has been with me throughout my life, has loved me and taken care of me and led me into very personally satisfying careers..."

The promises in the Bible are...

I went back and changed it from unsplit to split, hoping you would amble past and notice.

Of course I do! My eyes and my mind and my heart have always been wide open to others' experiences and opinions. E.g., my Wiccan trans woman friend says pretty much what you quoted above.

As I...

Why? because He has been with me throughout my life, has loved me and taken care of me and led me into very personally satisfying careers and connections where I am able to, with His guidance and...

God whispered in your ear? "God says it" is not proof. It's faith. Belief is faith, not proof.

Athos said: God’s existence cannot be proven with certainty

waltero, please prove God's existence.

Two of the most loving and giving people I know are Sikhs:

There is only one God
God is without form, or gender
Everyone has direct access to God
Everyone is equal before God
A good life...

And how to relate to God's creation, the environment, animals, and especially to other people.

Edit, then publish! Write short, simple sentences. You get your thoughts all tangled up as you post them. You are trying to sound very spiritually awake but it too often comes out as gibberish.
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That's not proof, waltero.

What proof?

I guess you don't know about the Trinity. Never mind then.

Are you a Trinitarian? Do you believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three Persons in one God?