But anyone who would argue that what goes up must continue to go up would be easily disproven by the empirical evidence. All I have to do is hold up a stone and let it go. It will fall.

No, its just your opinion. Your opinion doesn't carry as much weight as you seem to think.

And has never been proven true.

Towards micro evolution as well as towards intelligent design. But macro evolution, which is the subject being discussed has not been proven.

There can be no experiment just speculation on the reason for certain bones and their similarity to other bones.

That doesn't make it true or factual. Many theories have been disproven after years of being considered true.

Until you have any proof that the theory of evolution is a fact, evolution remains a theory.

I think it's interesting that all she did was reword your argument for her side and she is the bully because she pointed out how silly you were making things sound. Of course it seems that Christians on this sight are allowed to spew nonsense and hatred, but no is allowed to call them on it.

Dealing with the "Christians" on this site has made me more proud to be an atheist.

One part that I agree on is the Natural selection of people. Also one way to back this up is travelling abroad for instance. You travel to another country that has poor water quality. That culture has learned to adapt and the strong genes survived and the weak died off. When people from the US or Canada travel abroad we have to be careful, because we might have that "Weak" immunity in our genes that could be harmed from these issues because we come from a clean and sanitary environment compared to them. It that respect, it cannot be refuted. The primary difference between Creation and Evolution are the "Time Frames" involved with the changes.

We are more alike than you think. I am not perfect and neither are you. I'm sorry if I come off this way, it is not my intention.

By the way... its a Chrsitian debate... what would a person like you be doing in this discussion anyway if you don't want a Christian viewpoint? Are you more agnostic?

Yes Buzzman I have often wondered the motive of someone who claims they don't believe in a God, to come to a religious or christian thread and argue about something that should mean nothing to them.

I have often proposed the thought that those that come to attack Christian faith have other beleifs than that of "No Beleif" and wish to attack Christian because of a dislike or hate for it that goes far beyond their stated ideas.

Would a person who cares less about history go to the history threads and make fun of people giving proper history info. Would a person go to the cooking area and do nothing but make fun of or attack those that are giving cooking ideas. Of course they would not. And to be honest you don't see them going to the Muslim areas making fun of their faith, they pick speciflcly Chrsitianity. One of the posters here ( temp banned) even has a web site set up to specificly state they come to christian sites on purpose to cause trouble.

Can I ask who all these people are who think that I am perfect ever got the picture that I WAS? Please... I am not the Messiah and I do not ever profess to be. Everyone here is a hypocrite in one way or another. Lets get this straight. So we can either discuss like adults or stay out of the discussions with your petty shots!

But he Bible is also considered to be a historical record of its own. It represents the Genealogy of Jesus from His prophisised birth the end of His life and beyond the setting up of His church. So to a Christian, it is a history book. Why do we call 2008"AD" if he did not exist on this earth. As most know "AD" stands for "After Death". After "Jesus's" death. Is that not factual?

Isn't the premise of this thread "How can we prove the bible is factual?" Doesn't that invite all comers to offer their opinion? Or is it simply restricted to all the "yes" men? Why are you attacking others for their opinions?

This isn't posted in a "Christian" thread, it is under Religious Discussions. That being a very broad topic, I would think it would be open to believers AND non-believers of ALL faiths. Would it not?

The OP asked how can we prove the bible is factual. Those who do not believe that it can be proven to be factual have stated their ideas and when possible backed it up with some pretty impressive information. Those who do believe that it can be proven to be factual have stated their ideas. Also backing it up with impressive information when possible. It has made for very interesting reading, prompted a lot of thought and has probably led a lot of the readers to some self exploration. How is this not a good thing, for believers, non-believers and in-betweens?

To argue about something that "should mean nothing to them?" The very nature of the question itself begs for those who do not believe to voice an opinion. Just as it begs for those who do believe to voice an opinion. Isn't that the point of a discussion thread? What kind of world would this be if everything could only have one point of view?

Where things have gotten off track is where everyone who feels that their point of view was some way personally attacked and the retaliation posts begin!

There are opinions, and then there is ignorant responses. Opinions are welcome.

You judge and insult others - bad christian, you're going to hell!

Well actually it was orgianally on the christian board it was moved for the reason to allow those who wish to attack to be able to attack,

I still wonder why they have this need to do so.

I was almost impressed with much of your information until you posted that one...

Anno Domini - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't see it as a Christian debate. I see it as an open debate. Also if I didn't present my viewpoint it wouldn't be much of a debate would it? Hard to debate anything if everyone just agrees with you. As for me being agnostic it depends on the meaning of the word you are using. I don't believe there is a god. It means I haven't seen proof or reason to say there is a god.

Agreed... lets keep it going, and agree to be able to express BOTH sides. I find these discussions intriguing and am learning much myself. Note to Christians: You have to allow free thought... It is the will of God. No one is called to be robots.

Sorry... to put more concisely it is "Anno Domini", which means "After the year of our Lord", I was cutting corners...

The definition of Agnostic is someone who thinks of the existence of God is unknown & unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.

He who's without sin cast the first stone my friend...

I am without sin but I cast no stones.