Jesus was a Jew but I too would like to see the proof that he DID preach mainly to Jews.
That I would think is based on reasonable assumptions and not factual OSE.

Ah good one No ;)

Jesus preached to anyone who was willing to attend - His loving heart never would cast someone out from his loving teachings because of a label placed on them.

And living and being in the land of the Jews, why would the majority of people he preached to not have been Jewish? The Japanese with their red flag on a stick (to be easily recognized) were not very well known in the Middle East at that time...
So yes : it is a safe and logical suggestion that the majority of people he preached to were Jews.

I never thought I would support tsila1777... but fair is fair !

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Exactly why I said it is a logical assumption but where is the OSE?

The Bible teaches and Jesus taught to go to the highways and the biways to preach to the JEW AND the gentiles.

One needs OSE for essential and fundamental claims. For claims like "God exists" or "Gods exist" or "God is the Creator".
I do not see any need for OSE in case of logical assumptions, which actually hardly matter.
That Jesus (supposing that he existed) taught to Jews and gentiles is - as far as I am concerned - a logical conclusion, without any need for extended evidence. That would be real nitpicking...

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That Jesus (supposing that he existed) taught to Jews and gentiles is - as far as I am concerned - a logical conclusion, without any need for extended evidence. That IS exactly what I am saying--- he did preach to Jews and gentiles alike, --no proof that it was mainly Jews which was the question.

My post # 143 explains that "mainly" rather logically! Living and being in the land of the Jews, why would the majority of people he preached to not have been Jewish? So yes : it is a safe and logical suggestion that the majority of people he preached to were Jews, and not gentiles and for which I see no need for OSE.

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Agreed it is logical conclusion

We do agree!! At last!! :)

For you !

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Tsila,

You do have a right to your belief, nes pas? If you do, then why do you deny others their beliefs? Because you are Christian, it is your mission in life to spread the word of God, because the bible tells you so, because your Church tells you so, a man written book, and a man run institution.

Not my church, or a man written book or a man run institution...

Without the Bible, without Church, what do you have? Would you still believe? YES! Why do you feel the need to preach to someone who has admitted that he does not believe in God? Is it to save him, or yourself?

Remember, I am a believer, perhaps more so than some, as I do not base my beliefs on the bible or Church, but on pure belief, feeling in my heart and soul that God is real. I don't need a book or building a man or congregation to tell me so.

Do I have proof? Of course not, you can't prove God, it's not possible, that's why it is a belief.

To both of you,

I'm sorry I stepped in, I really was just trying to prevent another thread from being closed down.:)

No need to be sorry... and I wasn't preaching to Cred, he can go to Hell if he wants to, that's his right. why do you think I deny others their beliefs? Why do you think I was preaching to Cred? I know there is no hope for him.

But he said he believes in OSE, I was trying to get him to use his ose to prove what he had written to me... which is what he based his beliefs on, science, psychology etc... but he never would answer my post. He has no answers.

Of course we cannot prove God, it is based on faith. He knows we can't prove it. We've told him so, but we have the right to say what we believe as fact because we believe it is a fact, otherwise we would not believe it.

He could not prove his beliefs so he attacked me personally. Trying to throw me off, I don't care anymore. I know I'm right and so does he, or he would have answered me. I have nothing more to say to Cred.

Blessed are the peacemakers.

T

That is not correct. I do not believe in OSE. So I ask you hereby to post where I ever stated that. I would never do that. What is there to believe in OSE? What is there to believe in EVIDENCE?

Again that is not correct. That is what you suggest. But I never posted that. How can you base beliefs on science, on OSE (see above). And why would you base anything on psychology, on another unsupported belief or assumption? I don't ! So your suggestion is false.

Once more : that is not correct. I have plenty of answers. But you refused long ago to listen to my valid arguments. So in response I no longer reacted to your requests to post the same over, and over, and over again.

Once again : that is not correct. You indeed have all the right to believe whatever suits you. And you have the right to do as if what you believe is a fact. But I have the right to question whatever you believe and what you suggest to be right. That you believe something is not the same as that it is right. It may be or - much more likely - is not that way. The burden of proof for that is upon you, the claimant.

One more incorrect. I have no religious beliefs. If I attacked you, it was not because I could not produce proof of what you claim me to believe, but because you acted as a brick wall, unwilling to debate or communicate, and reacted repeatedly unfriendly, in clear anger, and with more religious claims. That stated I have no problems offering my apologies for attacking you. But please note that there is a big difference between attacking someone, and pointing out incorrect statements, like I do in this post.

And another incorrect. I am sure you are wrong on that. You have clearly no idea how I think.

That is actually an admission of defeat.

In most cases that is correct. But I do not count you as one of them (neither do I claim that description for myself). I see more in logic and trust in my own capacities. Unlike you I also know that making unsupported claims does not support one's arguments.

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Altenweq,

I'm sorry I stepped in, I really was just trying to prevent another thread from being closed down.

No need to be sorry... and I wasn't preaching to Cred, he can go to Hell if he wants to, that's his right. why do you think I deny others their beliefs? Why do you think I was preaching to Cred? I know there is no hope for him.

But he said he believes in OSE, I was trying to get him to use his ose to prove what he had written to me... which is what he based his beliefs on, science, psychology etc... but he never would answer my post. He has no answers.

Of course we cannot prove God, it is based on faith. He knows we can't prove it. We've told him so, but we have the right to say what we believe as fact because we believe it is a fact, otherwise we would not believe it.

He could not prove his beliefs so he attacked me personally. Trying to throw me off, I don't care anymore. I know I'm right and so does he, or he would have answered me. I have nothing more to say to Cred and his OSTD.

Blessed are the peacemakers, and you are a peacemaker. Blessings.

T

Unfortunately true...

Tsila what you are trying to do is hopeless because all that and MUCH MUCH more has been explained to Cred0 time and time again for years but he always just keeps proclaiming the same things and walks away declaring himself in so many words *the winner*

In an indirect way yes. This is a religion board and it means that all the statements are 'beliefs', coming from faith. But he always says "That is YOUR belief", " You have no proof of" so and so on. He should once and for all understand that!

Exactly I have said so many times in so many ways ---
Notice at the top off the page it says Religious Discussions
Of course that is what we believe this IS a religious discussion board where Christians say WHAT they believe. It is not the FACT board, it is not the ''prove it'' board, it is not the science board, it is not the atheist board it IS the religious board
Religion isn't a topic for "argument" - to prove wrong or right, but to openly discuss.
So yes anything we say is our claim.

RELIGION = Believe IN, believe, belief
Get it yet??

and he continues to insist that we always start with "I believe... ''

Please note that explaining something zillions of time does not make it reality.
And nowhere did I proclaim myself "the winner". All I stated is that the statement "I have nothing more to say to Cred." is actually an admission of defeat. Once more you are trying to twist what I stated into something entirely different.

You know what my posts are about : you may believe from me whatever you want to believe. But that you believe something, does not make that factual - for instance the statement "God exists" is a claim, a claim you have to prove first ! I do not ask people WHY they believe that.

Please note that my reactions clearly pointed out where tsila1777 "adapted" the truth, and that none of my reactions were refuted.

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I didn't say you proclaim you're a winner I said in so many words
Meaning actions speak louder than words.

Also saying over and over zillions of times that we should not have to say "I believe...
Before what we believe on a religious discussion board may not make it so but your saying we need to say it before we state our beliefs doesn't make it so either

What I was trying to do was get Cred to answer me, which he could not do, because he knows I used his own ‘beliefs’ to prove him wrong.
Cred can do or say whatever he pleases except tell me what to say on this board. His nonsense is boring and foolish. I do not care to discuss anything with him anymore because he is void of understanding and twists everything until it does not even resemble what the poster actually said, and then he makes unintelligent replies to his own mangled interpretation; which I will not even bother reading anymore.
As someone said, this is a religious discussion board, not a “prove it” board.
God’s Word is all the proof I need, if anyone needs more proof, than they should go look for it. God’s Word is final authority in my life. The Word of God says and as for as I am concerned that makes it a fact.
Psalm 14:1The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Christ died for the ungodly. He came to seek and save those that are lost. His Blood has never lost its power, to cleanse those who believe, of all sin. It is by faith through grace; faith in what Jesus did on the cross.

God is love, and we are to love even those who have declared themselves our enemies, but we do not have to associate with them.

Peace and love

Should we please God or man?

Excellent post. I would like to ask 'who is he that he thinks he can insist anything' rhetorical question. This board is here to discuss religion, our beliefs. Maybe the only way is for all of us who come here for serious discussion, is to ignore him.:rolleyes::D:(:eek::)

Peace and ease