Why wouldn't they just play the lotto and win big?:rolleyes:
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Why wouldn't they just play the lotto and win big?:rolleyes:
Because they can only see things that their guardian angels or spiritual guides show them. Their main purpose is to help people spiritually not to get wealthy.
Good point there!-- but however.. there αre some psychics thαt cαn only tαlk to spirits or whαtever there αre like different "cαtαgories" hαhα
Are you psychic?
I think everyone is a bit psychic, some more than others. I would say that I have discovered that I can predict some things, but I don't work at it so I haven't increased my psychic ability.
No lol I don't think it's reαl
It is not real.Quote:
Originally Posted by MilitaryMan19D30
- Thom
Why aren't psychics rich? Some are very wealthy - they write endless books, appear on countless television programs, have extensive speaking engagements, etc.
I once had a psychic who gave me a series of seven numbers - one series for every week of the year. This was in 2004. Now I never asked for this - it showed up in my mail one day - had never heard of this person before and could not tell you how she picked out my name. So each week I went and bought a lottery ticket. It was not so much I believed I would win as much as I believed this psychic was wrong. She promised that 75% of the numbers were winnners. So that means for forty two weeks, I would win. Ha ha ha ha and ha. Not a winner in any of them. Then she wanted me to pay her for her insight. I wrote her and said I was sending her 20% of my winnings - nothing times nothing equals nothing. Now I would wager that she did, indeed, do this to many other people. Some so gullible as to send her what she asked, which was $250.00 dollars.
I think any honest psychic would not use his or her powers to play the lottery or slots or other games of chance. I do believe there are genuine psychics - I also believe we all have some potential in us - how many of us have this strong second sense when we encounter someone or something? Or we receive a word, a knowledge, or feel a presence that is trying to get our attention?
I disagree with HairBug on this one. I truly believe they are real because it is in my family and there always seems to be one in each generation. My grandmother (one of 4 siblings), my mother (one of 6 siblings), myself (one of 4 siblings) and one of my sons (one of 3). The key is the level of psychic a person is as well as the TYPE of psychic a person is. Like DragonFire said, not everyone is fully developed. Some people just get a LOT of déjà vu while others are more clairvoyant. Some can predict future events while others just get a sense about things. My grandmother lived in a village in a third world country, not much opportunity for wealth there, who knows what she could have had she been here in the states, but she was very helpful to people in her village, small stuff yes, but still there. My mother and I are similar in that we can sense stuff that is about to happen but my mom can only feel it within her own children. Amongst a lot of other things, I knew about Sept 11 and about my mother and sister being in a car wreck, both incidents happened in NY but I live in Texas. The problem with not being fully developed is that I didn't realize I was predicting anything... I just felt really badly and could see things happening. Also I can never tell when it is going to happen, just THAT it happened or will happen. If I would have realized that the "vision" I had of 9-11 was true, I would have tried to tell someone, ANY ONE, but it seemed so far fetched I was sure it was simply a really terrible dream because Ive had nightmares ever since I started with all this mess when I was really young. I called the FBI several weeks after 9-11 because I had another vision of a guy who was directly involved with 9-11 getting into an elevator. But they must have thought I was a crack pot because they never followed up with me. So far nothing has happened so maybe Im wrong.. but what if Im not?? When my sister and mom were in the wreck, I felt my mothers chest hit the steering wheel and felt my sister's leg get crushed. I called my father from Texas to tell him because he hadn't heard yet, and minutes later my brother walked into my dad's house and told him what had just happened a few blocks away. It freaked my dad out so much he didn't talk to me for 2 weeks! So let me tell you this psychic crap is not all its cracked up to be! Ive predicted my own accidental and violent death and have "seen" my own funeral with my parents and siblings in attendance.. who the hell needs THAT??
In all honesty I WISH I could predict numbers and sweepstakes. I could seriously use the money! I wish I could predict it even for someone else and split the profits! Spiritually guide, my ayy! But my "gift?" doesn't work that way... Ive never met anyone's that has. My son's ability is not so strong yet but he's in college in DC and always seems to know when Im ill or crying because he will call me within minutes of my thinking of him. And he's had incidents in school he's too scared to share with anyone but me.
I'm sure there are some people who can do a whole lot more than me or anyone in my family, but with the world thinking its fake or we're lying, why would anyone admit to using it to win the lottery? I sure as heck wouldn't, Im not having 5 million people asking ME for this weeks pick!:)
OH! Incidentally, my mom did kind of sense the accident she and my sister would have but she only sensed my sisters pain in the accident, that was why she went out with her, thinking she could help. Never realizing she would be involved.
Because they are not good with money and spend it all on lotto tics and cigarettes. (oh sorry that's me)
It's all about probability. In a long enough time line, people will get something right. We don't pay attention to the thousands, no millions of times 'psychics' get it wrong, but as soon as they get something right, people eat it up.
Again, nottheonlycluelesstexan mentions that her son knows when she's crying and calls her. How often does he call you? How often do you feel ill? How many times do we think of people 'just before they call' and think "Oh my god, I was just thinking of you!" and take it as some kind of 'gift'? How many people do you think of in your day? Thousands I would imagine, but as soon as you make an unlikely connection it's psychic!
It makes little sense.
Check out RCLancaster's site: Stop Sylvia Browne for more information.
Also, there is a thread about Sylvia Browne here: The Skeptics Society Forum :: View topic - www.StopSylviaBrowne.com Now Open
Reviewing the massive amount of unsubstantiated or anecdotal claims, testimony, non-validated observational data, and philosophical studies, they actually suggest the existence of such an entity as the "soul." Although it cannot be determined what it is or if it is factual or not, it is my personal belief that there may very well be something there, and that it is worth looking into but Sylvia Browne is not gifted.
I absolutely agree that much of it is probablity. But I find it curious that you think it makes little sense when I mention the example with my son but you say nothing of the rest. I did mention that his talent was not fully developed and hey, for all I know that's all it might be. Most of the things I sense and feel are not "Oh my God, I was just thinking about you!" kind of stuff, but I can see your point in that I also assume many people do that throughout their lives. But I wouldn't be so quick as to say this is not psychic phenomema, it may simply be something we all have. Like it was mentioned before levels of development vary. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Maybe Oracles and Soothsayers don't exist, or maybe people who can predict things on a grand scale don't exist. But if humans generally only actually use a very small percentage of our brain capacity would it be so inconceivable to believe there may be some who use .2 or .4 of a percent more? Do geniuses and savants also not exist? From where do they draw the uncommon knowledge they possess? Or does that make little sense as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hair Bug
I don't believe generally in the idea of psychics.
But the closest thing I've seen is a connection between my mother, grandmother and cousin. My cousin was 9 mo pregnant and my mother and grandmother were together in a different city. My mom sensed something and turned to my grandmother and said "shes having her baby" and my grandmother said back "i know". And she was, of course.
That's as close as I've seen concerning a connection on some spiritual level between two or more people.
I just thought, how could a psychic lose at the lottery? So yes there is no reason for them to be poor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt3046
I took note with one thing that stuck out to me the most. It doesn't mean it doesn't exist, true. That isn't my place to prove it doesn't exist, it's for others to prove it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by nottheonlycluelesstexan
In that case, it's highly likely that the Lochness Monster exists. Otherwise, how do you explain all the sightings? Do lizards therefore not exist? That's a preposterous view point on it. Geniuses exist due to the work they create and the thoughts they have. Psychics exist due to people wanting a story. I don't imagine geniuses decide one day "I have genius powers, I'm going to pursue them!" No, not at all. And regardless of the percentage of the brain we use, are we to believe that some unfounded and completely undocumented part of the brain magically detects thoughts and feelings? There's a difference between perception, chance and intelligence.
Nostradamus wrote a little book called Prophecies which proclaimed events way past his death but the descriptions about each event were so vague that you could generate anything out of the story. He was the first true Sylvie Browne and many snake charmers have followed suit. Just look a daily horoscopes.. you will meet someone today. Thanks, if the horoscope said You will meet Jack so and so at 500 pm at the train station in New York I might pay a little more attention. You can make these so called predictions into anything you want. Religion follows the same guidelines.
And it would only take ONE idiot to meet someone called Jack at Grand Central Station at 5pm, and we'd all be tortured with their story of "My horoscope is dead on all the time!!! It even said I'd meet someone called Jack! And I did! It's amazing! I phoned up the psychic hotline though, and it said my mother with cancer will die. And the next day she did. :( You can't always win. But some people just have a gift."Quote:
Originally Posted by MilitaryMan19D30
Its no use going on about this, you either believe or have seen or you don't. So, if you choose to be narrow-minded, that's your choice. :)
It's a discussion! Opinions and thoughts are always welcome. We could move the whole conversation on to religion if you liked? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by DragonFire
I'm psychic and my prediction is that people will challenge me on this notion
Yes we could, and we would be going down the same road, because you can't prove religion either, its based on pure belief. ;)
Hahah I agree with the longest answer award
c'mon people lets not go down the religion road
Yeah its boring! So why do you say you're psychic?
I'm only kidding! I don't want to head down the religion road.
I've been so far been unconvinced of a psychic. There is zero proof thus far. And until that point, it is a fallacy.
Too be truly honest I was just lightening the mood but I'm actually quite good at reading people so I can kind of predict what their rection to most things would be ( my prediction came true I'm being challenged)
I knew you were just joking.
Yea lol its not so fun discussing things if it gets too serious
Why can't it be highly likely that the Lochness Monster exist? Im not one to tell people what they have to believe or what they have to abandon. Your example is actually rather preposterous itself in that you are equating sightings to my example of brain power. If geniuses were created simply from the work they do and the thoughts they have many more people would be ranked genius. What makes them who they are is the fact that they ARE able to tap into something most around them cannot. That is the point Im making about psychic phenomena. Psychics are able to tap into something many around us cannot. I don't need a story. I don't need sensationalism. I also have no desire at all to develop my ability and use it to make money. And most of all, like those who believe in the Lochness Monster, I don't need confirmation from others to prove to me what I already know.
Incidentally there are MANY people who believe they may be geniuses and try to pursue it. People take IQ tests all the time. There are video games and puzzle books, etc all geared to helping people deepen and broaden their minds and find out if they have "genius powers".
As far as "unfounded and undocumented" parts of the brain are involved what do you mean by unfounded and undocumented? There is an entire brain and there is documented proof that most of humanity uses only a very small percentage of it. Psychic ability has not be dismissed by the scientific community. Scientist are finding new things out about the brain all the time, so why would you think that something YOU don't believe in would only happen "magically"? Brain mapping is a science that has just recently been put to use extensively. Perhaps you should research that much and you can see that a LOT of work is being put into this. Not every skeptic simply dismisses it.
Im not saying it's fact. But I leave things to possibility because I KNOW I can't possibly KNOW everything. Your blanket decision that it doesn't exist when even scientist have not dismissed it entirely really has no logical basis to me. There IS a HUGE difference between perception, chance and intelligence. But the difference is NOT so huge between perception and intelligence alone. Without one the other could not exist
It's not about 'something I believe in', I'm not dismissing it by any means. There's just no proof.
You don't need other peoples' confirmation, of course, for your own sake though - do you not question it? You might say "I don't need to, I know what I need to know." you feel so strongly it wouldn't make a difference, surely?
It isn't highly likely that the Lochness Monster exists because they've been zerooo recorded sightings. As I said before, I could say anything I wished, like "My insides are green. They are...because I just know. I don't need anyone elses proof." 'A feeling' doesn't constitute as a truth.
"Your blanket decision that it doesnt exist when even scientist have not dismissed it entirely really has no logical basis to me."
How do you know if the scientific community have dismissed it or not? Some scientists haven't dismissed the fact that God exists... and? It isn't about scientists personal thoughts, it's about the results they produce. Unbiased, void of feeling.
My opinion is based on research, witnessing, being involved in 'the psychic' community, meeting many many people who claim to be psychic and viewing so of the world most famous psychics to be proved frauds.
"There is an entire brain and there is documented proof that most of humanity uses only a very small percentage of it."
Where is it documented? It's common misconception that we only use a very small percentage of our brain.
You have dismissed it. At least twice in this "conversation" you have said it was fallacy and that it didn't exist. You didn't say, "I think it doesnt exist" or "in my opinion it doesnt exist" you simply stated it did not and without proof it is fallacy. Without proof it is mere speculation not fallacy, just unknowing. There is a realm of things you don't even realize you don't know. That does not mean it doesn't exist, it merely that YOU have not uncovered them. Others have. You seem very intelligent and Im sure you know LOTS of things I don't know enough to fathom. But I can almost guarantee you, I'm sure I know LOTS of things you have yet to imagine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hair Bug
I have absolutely no problem questioning... it is the questioning that makes life worth it. Along with the possibilities. They are endless and to not recognize that would be ridiculous. But although I can fully understand and respect your skepticism, this particular issue is not something I PERSONALLY have to question. I KNOW what I have experienced. I KNOW what happened with my mother & sisters wreck. I KNOW that what I saw to be a plane going through a building just days before 9-11 turned out to be the worst terrorist disaster in American history. I KNOW countless other incidences which have occurred in my life time. That you can't confirm them for yourself doesn't shake my knowledge in my experiences. It was my personal experience in the matter that prompted me to answer the question to begin with!
YOU were the one who said there were sighting of the Lochness monster but now you say there have been none. My point is not that the Lochness Monster exist in actuality. My point is that a person who has never seen it cannot go and tell a person who truly believes they have that they have NOT so that skeptic can feel just in his or her dismissal of it. As you are so happy to point out there has been no proof of it. Yet I have yet to see any that explains what I have personally experienced within myself and my own family. Who knows if there are thousands or millions of psychics? I know there are at least 4 and none of them have taken a dime from anyone for predicting a dang thing.
Im glad you THINK you have done research, but I find that incredibly hard to believe given your responses and your strange logic. Although scientist should certainly conduct unbiased research, that does not at all mean they are "void of feeling". Those are two totally different things. Feelings do not mean irrationality. A scientist can weep as well as show elation at scientific findings, that he or she not allow then to cloud their research is what matters.
I know they have not dismissed the possibility of psychic phenomena because I am a reader and a student and a person who tries very hard to understand the world with-in and with-out, and in all MY scientific research to try and understand what has gone on with MY OWN psychic ability, no one has ever shown me anything where the subject has been answered to answered satisfaction. So unless you can come up with documentation to the contrary, I stand by my statement that the scientific community has not dismissed it. And no, they have not dismissed the concept of God either. I personally believe its because they, dare I say "we" recognize the realm of possibility.:D
Well.. you people tell what this is... I am at walmart, a lady walks up to me and says I have to tell you something, I'm like.. um OK.. go ahead, she said its 10 dollars but I really need you to know this, I said well I don't have 10 dollars, she said okay because I think you need to know about this... we sat down at mcdonalds in walmart, she said, you have friends that don't wish you well, I'm thinking yeah right oh okay, she says, there is one inparticular with the name beginning with the letter "j" who is the most negative toward you, you need to leave these people alone because they do not truly care about you.. so.. I leave after shopping and go home... call up my "j" friend told her what the lady said and she got very overly mad (guilty? Yes).. it took me a year and a half later to realize these people were not my friends, they used me and talked behind me back... the lady was right I just didn't listen to her...
True psychics don't use their gifts to win big. Our gifts should be honored not to be used to make money. I personally never will use my psychic abilities to cheat on the lotto. There are people out there with little money and they deserve a chance to get that money.Quote:
Originally Posted by MilitaryMan19D30
Or, psychics just make a bunch of vague statements until someone responds positively and they keep pushing that subject so it seems they are connected to a dead relative, significant other, pet etc.
Although perhaps if they get one number right the lotto machine will send them the others through the power of positive thinking.
I shall try this and let you know the results in the coming days.
Or perhaps they do see more than the average person, and those who cannot 'see' are jeolous or scared. If humans only believe limitations then limits they will always see.
Ever notice how when you don't believe something, you are "narrow minded", at least to some of those who believe.
I mean, I have some strong religious convictions, but I don't label those who have other beliefs as closed minded. I think they believe differently. But here, we have the closed minded label being tossed around.
So basically, to them, to have an "open mind" is to believe what they believe. Anything less is ignorance on your part. At least if you believe the opposite, you are apparently closed minded.
It is a self serving and pompous response, falsely elevating themselves to higher intellectual ground because they think they have a greater enlightenment. When really, maybe they are just clueless themselves. The closed-minded label is just a flailing attempt to make others appear ignorant.
Kp, another option for why they respond that way may be that we may hamper their meager income stream. :D
There are real psychics because I have had things to really come true when contacting them more than once. With this one psychic who I use all of the time through Kasamba online at kasamba website... I can contact him and he can tell me exactly what I want to know 90% of the time so I have no choice but to believe him. They cannot guess lottery numbers and things like that but they can help other people! Phsychics are real, anyone who believes other wise is afraid of the truth. You can also rate the psychics when you are done on a scale from one to five and if you go to kasamba website you can see where some phsychics have 4-5 stars, if they are real psychics.. If someone has 1 star then of course you won't go to them. That proves that they are real!
Remember about the 9-11 attack someone called in claiming to be a phsychic and said that terrorists were going to attack the work trade center and NO one listened or did anything until it already happened and then it was on the news..
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