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The return of the migrant caravan

They ended rather abruptly early in the Trump term . But now with Quid's reign just days away ,they are again on the march

Up to 8,000 US-bound migrants enter Guatemala from Honduras - CNN

For a country founded by immigrants you all have a serious problem with them.
Why not allow them in, and get them to do al those cruddy jobs that Americans refuse to as they see them as below their abilities.

I get the whole don't want the drains on the economy, but f they are paying taxes and making their way in the communities then why not...
Or is that too socialist for your taste.

I have no problem at all with LEGAL immigration

Let's entice them here with a $15 minimum wage !

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Why not allow them in,

We have been allowing them in for more than two centuries. There were more than a million in 2018 alone.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

I have no problem at all with LEGAL immigration

Let's entice them here with a $15 minimum wage !

Yeah why entice them with 15 bucks when they have been taking a lot less for a long time.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

We have been allowing them in for more than two centuries. There were more than a million in 2018 alone.

Wonder why they can always find work? like Ben says we have the work, but what's changed is the color of the migrants, and some feel threatened by that. Can't blame them. A majority minority is a helluva thing for a traditional white majority nation to accept.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

We have been allowing them in for more than two centuries. There were more than a million in 2018 alone.

My German ancestors came here in the 1850s to farm. When did yours arrive and what jobs did they have?

If I were in charge, I'd set up more immigration stations and checkpoints on the southern border. They'd be run by well-trained and empathetic staff.

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My German ancestors came here in the 1850s to farm. When did yours arrive and what jobs did they have?

If I were in charge, I'd set up more immigration stations and checkpoints on the southern border. They'd be run by well-trained and empathetic staff.

Some people have no empathy for a humane system of process and see cruelty as a deterrent...but still they come knowing that cruelty awaits.

Some of my people were forced to come here as this nation was founded, and still subjected to that cruelty to this day.

Weird how Americans are happy to self identify their immigrant ancestors, yet suggest they allow more to enter and they get all bent out of shape..
Now stop being Blah-American and be simply American and have pride in your nation.
That being said, the old national boundaries are becoming defuse, so embrace the change for the greater good of humanity...
Just look at the mess that has been made of Europe and the UK leaving that economic bloc...

Yeah I remember the Brexit was also fueled by the rhetoric of caravans of immigrants coming. Some people just gobble that fear of the other stuff up.

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Yeah I remember the Brexit was also fueled by the rhetoric of caravans of immigrants coming. Some people just gobble that fear of the other stuff up.

And the European open internal borders was actually very good for the migrate economies, yet leavers were whipped up by blind rhetoric...
However what's done is done and some are now seeing just how badly mislead they were...

My Italian and Irish ancestors arrived here in the early 20th century . They were not allowed into NYC proper until they passed physical exams at Ellis Island . Those that were sick or had criminal records were either sent back to their native land or were housed until they were well enough to enter the country. If there were any reason to deny or delay approval the immigrants were kept in caged in areas with barbed wire .About 10% were refused admission. It's nicknames were 'Heartbreak Island', and 'The Island of Tears' because of the amount of those denied immigration. Immigrants could not come in penniless . They needed a minimum of $18 to prove they could support themselves while establishing themselves .

One of my grandfathers worked as a trolley driver ;the other in the Post Office . My grandmothers both worked retail jobs.

The alliance of the left and big business for the mass migration of cheap labor to both the US and GB has been a disaster . It is the people ;not the metropolitan elites or the swamp critters who bear the costs of the added infrastructure like civil services ;schools and the health care systems . It has created a downward spiral in living standards and forced more Brits and Americans onto the government dependency rolls .It is the working class of Britain and the US who have been required to pay the price for subsidizing that bargain .

Britain must be very proud how they herded the immigrants into working class ghetto enclaves . Some may have embraced Brit national identity . But most are still living like immigrants going well into the 2nd and 3rd generation .Add to that there is not even a religious identity What you have then is a breeding ground for radicals in the UK . At least here there is an attempt at integration . Separated by culture and religion ;almost all the radical Muslims in Europe are 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants .

Here in the US where 'melting pot' meant an integration into society while some cultural appropriation (now an evil concept ) occurred; we are now taught that America is a quilt of segregation that should be celebrated . But in Britain the headlines read that Europe is struggling with Muslim extremists . What they won't report is that it is a home grown problem bread by an unfettered immigration policy .

Tom, I think you have misunderstood how it worked within the EU, it wasn't driven by politics or big business. The whole bloc enjoy freedom of labour, much like working anywhere you wish within the USA, the same happened within the entire EU.
Immigrants were peoples from outside of that, ever expanding, economic bloc. That fact alone was vast misrepresented to the UK people during the whole Brexit mess.

The domestics terrorists are indeed later generations that have become disillusioned and followed religion based zealot personality cults.
Much of this has been of our own doing in not ensuring that everyone was fully integrated while also allowing for keeping their own cultural identities.
Unfortunately, I don't think this would have had any meaningful effect on the more recent Islamic problem.
Every religion has it's zealots, it's been lot easier for some to follow their paths to the bitter end.

We have a history in America of white supremacy and as much that has been done to eradicate those groups, they have just morphed into smaller locals connected by the new means of communications the internet and associated devices provide.

Jail as many members as you can, but the ideology continues.

so will Joe build a big beautiful wall or throw open the gates

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so will Joe build a big beautiful wall or throw open the gates

That's an easy one. He'll let in the illegals and tell them to vote democrat.

so more illegal votes then?

No more? Try "many more". I hope sincerely that does not develop, but I can certainly see it being very possible. Who would stop it?

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Much of this has been of our own doing in not ensuring that everyone was fully integrated while also allowing for keeping their own cultural identities.

A common occurrence - immigrants becoming anti-immigration after a generation or two.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

That's an easy one. He'll let in the illegals and tell them to vote democrat.

You do realise that illegal immigrants can't register to vote...
but why let that small fact get in the way of a good conspiracy...