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  • Sep 24, 2007, 03:21 PM
    Preshus1
    Bacterial Vaginosis
    I have a lot of discharge and fishy smell. About 5 yrs ago I noticed it for the 1st time. I was treated then for BV. It never really went away and I went to 4 other doctors within about 3years and they all told me I was fine and that everything was normal. I totally disagree. This cannot be normal!! I thought maybe women just go through this as they get older and I just tried to live with it. I have to shower two times a day and I always wear panty liners. After asking my mother and other people about this it doesn't seem to be normal and after looking it up online I am pretty sure its BV. The only office that ever told me that I had this before was planned parenthood and I wanted to go there again but I have to wait two weeks before I can go. Is there ANYTHING I can do to at least help with the symptoms? I am so desperate to get rid of this! Please! Any advice is appreciated.
  • Sep 24, 2007, 07:56 PM
    cpalmist
    Not a joke but Lysol used to be used as a douche and probably still is many places...
  • Sep 26, 2007, 07:45 PM
    Preshus1
    Ok I went to a different doctor and he says that its not BV. He says he sees yeast but, I have no itch or irritation down there. Just smelly discharge. When I take yeast medication it may clear up for a day or two but, Usually it comes right back. Does any one have a clue what I should do next?
  • Sep 26, 2007, 07:52 PM
    GlindaofOz
    Stop wearing the panty liners and be sure to wear cotton underwear - all cotton. My aunt has the same problem. She gets awful yeast infections and she thought she was being good wearing the panty liners. What she was doing was providing a breeding ground for the bacteria.

    Also you may want to limit your intake of breads and sugar. Candida feeds off that stuff. Before I got diagnosed with a wheat allergy I used to get terrible yeast infections so that might be something else to consider. Food allergies can trigger all sorts of issues.
  • Sep 26, 2007, 07:54 PM
    nauticalstar420
    Ask your doctor for Difulcan (or something equivalent). I had a bit of a yeast problem a while back and the doc gave that to me and it cleared right up.
  • Sep 26, 2007, 08:25 PM
    bushg
    Eat yogurt, it balances the ph level in your body. My children got yeast infections evrytime they took antibiotics( flaming red and quite painful and it would spread rapidly) the doctor recommended to eat yogurt. I was even told by someone that I could put plain yogurt on them, However I did not try that. Hope this helps.
  • Sep 27, 2007, 03:19 PM
    Preshus1
    I had got to the point that I didn't want to wear panties at all but, I will stop using the liners and see what happens. I have tried Difulcan and it did seem to work a little better but it still came back. I also have been taking AZO yeast and Natrol Acidophilus recommended by the pharmacist. It seems to be better but, not gone. I still have discharge no itching no irritation. It doesn't seem like a yeast infection to me. I am so disappointed! I'm going back to Planned parenthood next week just to see what they say. I'm on disability with a broken foot so I can't afford anything else right now.
  • Sep 27, 2007, 03:24 PM
    J_9
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cpalmist
    Not a joke but Lysol used to be used as a douche and prolly still is many places...

    Please don't listen to this tidbit of information. It could be very dangerous to your health. A woman should NEVER douche with anything without a doctor's order.


    **Just an aside**

    This was actually a topic on our morning drive time radio show today.
  • Sep 27, 2007, 05:24 PM
    singlemamma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Preshus1
    I have a lot of discharge and fishy smell. About 5 yrs ago I noticed it for the 1st time. I was treated then for BV. It never really went away and I went to 4 other doctors within about 3years and they all told me I was fine and that everything was normal. I totally disagree. This cannot be normal!!! I thought maybe women just go through this as they get older and I just tried to live with it. I have to shower two times a day and I always wear panty liners. After asking my mother and other people about this it doesn't seem to be normal and after looking it up online I am pretty sure its BV. The only office that ever told me that I had this before was planned parenthood and I wanted to go there again but I have to wait two weeks before I can go. Is there ANYTHING I can do to at least help with the symptoms? I am so desperate to get rid of this! Please! any advice is appreciated.

    Sometimes those panty liners have deoderants in them and actually make things worse because you are very sensitive in that area. Try not using anything with deoderants or scents in them for a while and very very mild soap in that area to clean.

    Also when washing your underware don't use scented soaps try using a dye free scent free detergent like ALL and no fabric softener.

    As someone else suggested cotton panties.
  • Sep 27, 2007, 05:58 PM
    J_9
    I totally agree 100% with the above post by Singlemamma.

    Deodorants in pantyliners irritate, soaps on the vagina irritate and remove the normal flora of our bodies that is necessary to maintain the proper pH of the vaginal canal. Cotton panties soak up any perspiration better than say silky panties. Loose fitting clothes are also a necessity.

    Stay away from bubble baths.

    BV must be cleared up properly as it can lead to some very serious problems, and possible infertility, if left untreated.
  • Sep 27, 2007, 07:52 PM
    cpalmist
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by J_9
    Please don't listen to this tidbit of information. It could be very dangerous to your health. A woman should NEVER douche with anything without a doctor's order.


    **Just an aside**

    This was actually a topic on our morning drive time radio show today.

    I stand corrected - anything you hear on a drive-time show is Gospel so we are very lucky that you were listening this morning. Women should never do anything to their body unless a male doctor tells them to. Allah Akhbar!!
  • Sep 27, 2007, 08:15 PM
    singlemamma
    I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or what... I'm still new to this board. However, I am not a doctor and even I know Lysol going in any orfice of my body is a pretty stupid gamble (regardless of what people used to do allegedly) they do have those poison warnings for a reason. Just sayin'.
  • Sep 28, 2007, 04:23 AM
    J_9
    Quote:

    cpalmist disagrees: So are you telling me that all those boxes & bottles of douche at the drug store are HazMats?? Get a grip!!
    Actually, yes I am saying that in essence they are what you refer to as a HazMat. Especially you suggesting using LYSOL :eek:

    Here is some medical proof to back up what I stated.

    Quote:

    Vaginal Infection. For women of childbearing age, bacterial vaginosis is the primary etiology of vaginal infection.[14] In bacterial vaginosis, normal vaginal microflora is disrupted, facilitating overgrowth of anaerobes such as Gardnerella vaginalis, Prevotella species, or Mycoplasma hominis.[14] Fully 50% of patients are asymptomatic, although others notice a thin, white, homogeneous discharge that has a "fishy" odor.[14] Douching is a risk factor for bacterial vaginosis. In a study of 496 nonpregnant women, risk factors identified for bacterial vaginosis included vaginal douching within the last two months and hormone use within the past six months.[15] Any maternal infection, especially bacterial vaginosis, may impede successful pregnancy.[16] Investigators conducted a study of 454 pregnant women, discovering risk factors for bacterial vaginosis such as douching and number of lifetime sexual partners.[16] The risk of bacterial vaginosis is highest within the first seven days after douching.[17] Bacterial vaginosis also increases the risk of HIV infection, a possible reason for the association between douching and HIV infection.[18,19]

    The potential for vaginal infection from douching is not limited to bacterial organisms. A study from Italy demonstrated that douching increases the risk of vulvovaginal candidiasis.[20]
    That source was found at Medscape. To view it one must have a subscription or be in the medical field.

    Another

    Quote:

    The basics of maintaining a healthy Vagina

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    Do not douche. The only exception to this rule which may be acceptable is if you are trying to conceive and are trying to alter your vaginas pH for a greater good. Do it as little as you can and increase the number of lactobacilli in your diet through upping your intake of yoghurt or taking acidophilus tablets
    Keeping your vagina healthy
    And from the Centers for Disease Control

    Quote:

    Women who douche may have a higher risk of developing PID compared with women who do not douche. Research has shown that douching changes the vaginal flora (organisms that live in the vagina) in harmful ways, and can force bacteria into the upper reproductive organs from the vagina.
    STD Facts - Pelvic inflammatory disease (PID)
    So, Cpalmist, you may want to get YOUR facts straight prior to telling a woman to douche with anything, including LYSOL!!

    Here's yet another to back up my "HazMat" claim:

    Quote:

    Is douching safe?

    Most doctors and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) suggest that women steer clear of douching. All healthy vaginas contain some bacteria and other organisms called the vaginal flora. The normal acidity of the vagina keeps the amount of bacteria down. But douching can change this delicate balance. This may make a woman more prone to vaginal infections. Plus, douching can spread existing vaginal infections up into the uterus, fallopian tubes, and ovaries.
    What are the dangers linked to douching?

    Research shows that women who douche regularly have more health problems than women who do not. Doctors are still unsure whether douching causes these problems. Douching may simply be more common in groups of women who tend to have these issues. Health problems linked to douching include:

    * vaginal irritation,
    * vaginal infections called bacterial vaginosis or BV,
    * sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), and
    * pelvic inflammatory disease (PID)

    Pelvic inflammatory disease (PID) is an infection of a woman's uterus, fallopian tubes and/or ovaries. It is caused by bacteria that travel from a woman's vagina and cervix up into her reproductive organs. If left untreated, PID can cause fertility problems (difficulties getting pregnant). PID also boosts a woman's chances of ectopic pregnancy (pregnancy in the fallopian tube instead of the uterus). Some STDs, BV, and PID can all lead to serious problems during pregnancy. These include infection in the baby, problems with labor, and early delivery.
    Should I douche to clean inside my vagina?

    No. Doctors and the ACOG suggest women avoid douching completely. Most experts believe that douching increases a woman's chances of infection. The only time a woman should douche is when her doctor recommends it.
    What is the best way to clean my vagina?

    Most doctors say that it is best to let your vagina clean itself. The vagina cleans itself naturally by producing mucous. Women do not need to douche to wash away blood, semen, or vaginal discharge. The vagina gets rid of it alone. Also, it is important to note that even healthy, clean vaginas may have a mild odor.

    Regular washing with warm water and mild soap during baths and showers will keep the outside of the vagina clean and healthy. Doctors suggest women avoid scented tampons, pad, powders and sprays. These products may increase a woman's chances of getting vaginal infections.
    My vagina has a terrible odor, can douching help?

    No. Douching will only cover up the smell. It will not make it go away. If your vagina has a bad odor, you should call your doctor right away. It could be a sign of a bacterial infection, urinary tract infection, STD or a more serious problem.
    Should I douche to get rid of vaginal discharge, pain, itching, or burning?

    No. Douching may even make these problems worse. It is very important to call your doctor right away if you have:

    * vaginal discharge with a bad smell
    * thick, white or yellowish-green discharge with or without a smell
    * burning, redness, and swelling of the vagina or the area around it
    * pain when urinating
    * pain or discomfort during sex

    These may be signs of a bacterial infection, yeast infection, urinary tract infection, or STD. Do not douche before seeing your doctor. This can make it hard for the doctor to figure out what is wrong.
    Can douching after sex prevent sexually transmitted diseases (STDs)?

    No. This is a myth. The only way to completely prevent STDs is to not have sex. But practicing safer sex will dramatically decrease your risk of getting these diseases. You can greatly reduce your chances of getting an STD in the following ways:

    * using latex condoms or female condoms every time you have sex
    * avoiding contact with sores on the penis or vagina
    * preventing the exchange of semen, blood, and vaginal secretions
    Douching - Frequently Asked Questions
    Why do douches line the shelves? Simple really, companies want to make money from misinformed women.

    And I think it very funny that you would even think I got the ACTUAL info from a drive time show. It was all just a matter of good timing that the show was on and this post came up.
  • Sep 28, 2007, 05:44 AM
    J_9
    About the over-the-counter douces

    Quote:

    Nonprescription Douche Products. At one time, there were three major lines of douche products in the typical pharmacy. The Betadine product line has been reduced with the elimination of Betadine concentrate. This leaves the Massengill and Summer's Eve disposable douche products. An examination of their ingredients allows the pharmacist to understand their intent. Some douche products (e.g. Summer's Eve Fresh Scent) contain mainly fragrance in water. Lacking a surfactant, they are intended only to leave a pleasant smell. Given the adverse effects of douching, their use is questionable. Other douches (e.g. Summer's Eve Island Splash, Intimate Whisper, or Evening Breeze) contain octoxynol-9, a surfactant that may cleanse by lowering the surface tension of the intravaginal vault. Some products (e.g. Country Flowers, Fresh Baby Powder) contain octoxynol-9 and cetyl pyridinium chloride, another surfactant. The user must be made aware of the potential risks in using these products so she can weigh their purported benefits with actual dangers. Another set of douche products contains vinegar (e.g. Summer's Eve Vinegar and Water, Massengill Extra Mild Vinegar and Water, Massengill Extra Cleaning Vinegar and Water). Vinegar/water douches have been used for decades to restore the vagina to its healthy acidic pH. However, their safety and efficacy are unknown. Further, if the woman has an actual vaginal infection, a vinegar/water douche will be ineffective in combating it. Instead, she should be urged to purchase a vaginal antifungal if the infection is thought to be due to Candida. Otherwise, a physician appointment is necessary.
    The above quote is from Medscape. One must have a subscription or be a medical professional with a subscription to be able to view the article.

    Unless prescribed by a physician, douching has very little, if any, benefits, and can actually be quite disruptive to your normal flora potentially putting yourself at risk.

    Check out Medscape: Free CME, Medical News, Full-text Journal Articles & More

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cpalmist
    I stand corrected - anything you hear on a drive-time show is Gospel so we are very lucky that you were listening this morning. Women should never do anything to their body unless a male doctor tells them to. Allah Akhbar!!

    Giggle. This was just an aside as I thought it was funny the topic was on yesterday morning, and I came home to this post. I KNEW all this before the drive time show, learned it in nursing school and was even taught this by my OB/GYN over 25 years ago.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cpalmist
    Women should never do anything to their body unless a male doctor tells them to.

    A MALE DOCTOR :eek:
  • Sep 28, 2007, 04:34 PM
    cpalmist
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cpalmist
    Not a joke but Lysol used to be used as a douche and prolly still is many places...

    Get a grip and look at the verb tense.
    Did I suggest anyone use it?
    It was commentary only.

    But I guess y'all missed that. Or chose to.

    As far a medicine being so exact, forget it. Convince some one else. I've worked in the field.

    Isn't it something like 40% of deaths of cancer patients were from 'overly aggressive' ambitious medicating by MD's?
    Weren't MDs selling us margarine for years and now we are back using butter again?
    Didn't those guys use a lot leeches (they may still in Dyersburg) and bleed people regularly to get rid of the body's ill humors and stuff?
    Didn't those guys resist anesthesthia (heck, dentists adopted it sooner) and certainly MDs were resistant to the idea of antiseptics and the theory of sepsis.
    Aren't those the guys that diagnosed women as 'Hysterical' and prescribe women to come into their offices to have their vulva massaged to treat 'Hysteria" - think that was around turn of the century - nice work if you can get it.
    Aren't these the guys that said take the tonsils and adenoids and now are saying nope, leave 'em alone?
    Aren't these the guys that are bigger pushers than the guys from Columbia - they do get a cut of the prescriptions they write out. Who is the biggest investor in pharmaceutical companies - AMA?
    Aren't these the guys that will prescribe medications to their patients but draw the line at prescribing the same medications to their own families as 'not enough research has been done yet?'
    Aren't these the guys that used to lobotomize patients by sticking a probe in the front of the brain and stirring gently or belting them down and running large amounts of the finest product from the TVA generators through their brains?
    And for patients that are having a lapse from reality, having hallucinations or other disturbances , aren't these the guys prescribing drugs that have the side effects of causing hallucinations and other disturbances?

    Gimme a break. You may worship them but I sure don't.
    I've worked with LVNs (I assume you are since you are going to a 2-year community college) and both 3- and 4-yr RNs. One of my friends is a RN that works to bring nurses back into the professional community after they fall from grace by using drugs (street or ala drug cart (from the patients)) or alcohol or some behavioral stuff - her comment about the field is 'Nurses have issues.' She does, the ones she knows seem to and a more than a few of the ones I've known do as well.
  • Sep 28, 2007, 04:43 PM
    J_9
    Your post above is totally and completely correct in the reason that we PRACTICE medicine. Medicine is not an exact science and most likely will never be. It all depends on the study and who conducts it as to what is made public.

    LVN? Never heard of it.

    I will have my Associate RN degree in May, yes from a community college, then will be returning to Union University or University of Tenn for my bachelors then my masters.

    I'm not here to get into a discussion about my degree, nor am I about the exact science of medicine. I posted here because it was suggested that Lysol be used in a douche. That is really terrible medical advice as it has been shown (as of now) that douching during an infection of any kind can push the bacteria (or infection) into the uterus as well as the fallopian tubes and even ovaries.
  • Sep 28, 2007, 05:51 PM
    Preshus1
    There is know way I would ever try and douche with Lysol. That's why I totally ignored that comment. I just figured cpalmist was just TRYING to be funny. I need something that's going to help me not make it worse!! I still think what I have is BV and I am worried that it is ruining me( going on 6 yrs) but, what do I do when the doctors that I go to tell me its yeast? I don't believe that. Ive told them that and they just blow me off. There is no itching or irritation but, quite a bit of discharge. I have had to go to clincs most of the time because I'm a broke single parent. I just feel like these docs. That Ive been going to don't know what there doing or just don't care! Still waiting to go to planned parenthood just because they are the only ones who told me I had BV before. I hope they find something!
  • Sep 28, 2007, 06:02 PM
    J_9
    BV as well as yeast, when it comes to a problem as intense as yours, needs to be cultured. With BV, it should have a test called a C&S, which means Culture and Sensitivity, so that the exact bacteria can be identified as well as which antibiotic will actually help cure it.

    You may have mentioned your age, and I overlooked it, but BV left untreated can result in infertility.

    I do understand your plight as far as doctors and insurance, believe me, I haven't any insurance myself, but it is imperative that you get this C&S done to give you a definitive diagnosis rather than a guess. Six years is way too long for this to be going on.

    Make sure that you wear cotton undies and loose fitting pants. Do not take bubble baths (this can actually cause problems like you are experiencing), no pantyliners. When bathing, soap is not necessary, soak in warm water, that is all that is necessary for the normal vaginal flora of our bodies.

    I apologize that your post took such a turn for the worse, but it had to be made clear that douching of any kind, Lysol or Summers Eve, can be very dangerous to your health.
  • Sep 28, 2007, 06:03 PM
    J_9
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Preshus1
    There is know way I would ever try and douche with Lysol.

    However, some people who do not know better MAY indeed try this method of douching. Good thing you are one who does know what is good for her. ;)
  • Sep 28, 2007, 06:13 PM
    Preshus1
    Thank you to almost (Lysol?) everyone who posted advice for me. Its very much appreciated and hopefully someone will find something that works for me eventually! I sure hope I don't have to live with this for the rest of my life! At one point I thought that my underwear was trapping all the heat down there so I quit wearing underwear all together thinking it might get better but, it didn't. I never douche. I tried a couple of times but, every time I did I got a yeast infection. I tried norforms and they were better but, I quit using them too. I do use FDS. I take it that's a no no too? Any suggestions on body soaps that are good for these situations? Hope these aren't dumb questions.

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