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Originally Posted by Piercing_Lover_

I really think you need therapy. There can be something in your subconscious mind that happened to you in your past pertaining to men. You've also probably tired to suppress it so much that you nearly forgot that it happened. There is no reason why you should be terrified of men. Men tend to be very sincere to women, it doesn't have to be regarding a sexual gesture or reason behind it. If they feel you are beautiful, they want to be nice so that they're noticed. Just attend a couple therapy sessions! You should be fine. :)

I'm a psychology major so I kinda know these things ;)

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I'm going to reiterate everything you've already been told. Reading the entire thread really is important. Had you done that you'd know that the OP (original poster) is in therapy, and rejects everything her therapist asks of her, just like she's rejected all the suggestions we've made on this thread.

If only it was so easy as to say "I'm a psych major and you need therapy". Trust me, we've already tried that, and she's already doing that, and it's not working.

This issue isn't as easy as telling someone to seek therapy. The issue is with the poster, and until she gets out of her own head and starts to listen, there's nothing anyone, not even a therapist, can do.

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Originally Posted by JudyKayTee

Does a graduate degree trump a minor? Darn! But I sat closer to the front of the class than you did -

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I'm shorter than you are and sat in the front row. HA!

(As long as everyone was giving info on their psych credentials, I thought I would throw mine into the ring.)

You all got me beat... I just had one year of it in High School

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Originally Posted by smoothy

You all got me beat....I just had one year of it in High School

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*sigh* Well, we like you anyway -- and you have had an interesting lifetime of figuring out people.

I have a teenager, that should trump any psych degree. I have to be a psychologist every single day!

Sadly I took 1 year of law, a year of accounting, then I got a job as an underwriter and went back to college a third time. That time I did get my degree. What do I have to show for it? I work in retail for minimum wage. Yay me! :(

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Originally Posted by Alty

I have a teenager, that should trump any psych degree.

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With some teens that can help a person qualify as a psychotic... but I'm certain not in your case.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

With some teens that can help a person qualify as a psychotic....but I'm certain not in your case.

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LMAO! There are times when psychosis sets in. Teens are a class among themselves. Thankfully he does have a good foundation, and a mom and dad that are always there for him. But teens are teens. Sigh.

Read her other posts and observe the dates and spelling and you will see a person who has been off the meds for sometime, and the regression is obvious.

I doubt the OP even knows it, let alone admits it. So lets be careful, and direct her back to reality and that has to start with the proper support and guidance.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Read her other posts and observe the dates and spelling and you will see a person who has been off the meds for sometime, and the regression is obvious.

I doubt the OP even knows it, let alone admits it. So lets be careful, and direct her back to reality and that has to start with the proper support and guidance.

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I'm the first to admit I'm frustrated.

Do you have any suggestions? I'm sincere, not being sarcastic. Every suggestion is met with "No, because ..." Delusional or not delusional, now what happens?

This situation, I believe, requires one-on-one therapy. I've seen WG work miracles. Maybe everyone but WG should back off.

I don't know. I'm out of suggestions. I suspect other people are, too.

Finally, a positive response in her other thread: "yes i can follow direction and i could put the dvds on the shelf and the books too i think."

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Read her other posts and observe the dates and spelling and you will see a person who has been off the meds for sometime, and the regression is obvious.

I doubt the OP even knows it, let alone admits it. So lets be careful, and direct her back to reality and that has to start with the proper support and guidance.

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I agree, but I'm at a loss as how to go about support and guidance.

We've suggested all we can suggest, supported all we can support, and all we've gotten is negativity, unwillingness to listen, and whenever we don't agree with her, we get suicide threats.

I'll bow out, because I really have nothing more to add. I don't think anyone on this site can help this OP until she's willing to actually help herself.

I can feel bad for her, and hope she gets well, but I can't risk myself for her. I don't want to put myself into the position of once again losing sleep over someone on this site because they won't listen, and want to end it. Been there, done that.

I thought I could help. I tried, as did many others. The OP won't listen. So what's next? The only thing I can see anyone suggesting is that the OP get back on her meds. Maybe then we can help. Until then, I see very little anyone can do.

It's up to her, and only her. :(

Alty out.

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Originally Posted by Alty

Alty out.

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- And I hope she doesn't take other people with her when she kills herself.

- Judy out.

When you look at this person, they may be trapped, but coming here is reaching out, and as frustrating as they may be to us just imagine how frustrated she is in her world.

Hope she comes back about the meds though, that's the missing piece we need to know. Call me a softy or whatever, but the thought of giving up on a valuable human being is not an option. We all have value, even if we are trapped in a very dark place.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

When you look at this person, they may be trapped, but coming here is reaching out, and as frustrating as they may be to us just imagine how frustrated she is in her world.

Hope she comes back about the meds though, thats the missing piece we need to know. Call me a softy or whatever, but the thought of giving up on a valuable human being is not an option. We all have value, even if we are trapped in a very dark place.

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Not disagreeing with you at all Tal. In fact, I agree 100%. She does have value. I'm not leaving this thread, or this OP, because she doesn't have value. I'm leaving before I say something I can't take back, and before I make things worse. I've been biting my tongue through every single one of this OP's 141 posts. Pretty good considering that it's me, but I do have a breaking point, and I've reached it with this OP.

In other words, I can't help her. I've accepted that I can't, and in order to not get too emotionally involved, I've chosen to leave.

If anyone can get through to her, you can, so she's in good hands. I'm not leaving her without support. I just can't be that support anymore. I can't keep trying and getting no where. I'm not good at it. :(

LOL Alty, no one will ever question your big heart at all, least of all not me, because we all want a good outcome.

I don't question that from any one that responded on this thread.

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Originally Posted by redlipsticklena

hello. people falsely belive that if oyu think negative, you LIKE it and want it and do it on purpose and i don't know where they get that but it's not true at all. i odn't 'get' anything of value out of it. i feels i am just telling the truth instead of lying like therapist suggest i do.

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I don't think you like being negative. I think it is a protective shield and that protection is what you are getting out of it.

You don't like lying to yourself. I respect that. So instead of telling yourself what you see as a 'lie' what can you say that is positive and truthful to you? Let your therapist know that you need different affirmations than the ones she is giving you.

Telling the face in the mirror that you love them and promise to do right by them doesn't have to be a lie, make it a commitment.

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Originally Posted by Enigma1999

Yes and yes. I agree
She ONLY responds to who she wants to. She DOESN'T like ANY of the answers she is receiving from anyone! My hat goes off to Tal, who seems to be VERY tolerant of her behavior.

Guys...I hate to say it, but I think we are wasting our time here. Especially when I see that there are others how NEED and WANT our help!

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I cannot responds every single person. They write a lot and there's 11 pages of posts be for real. Your making assumptions and theyare wrong anyway. I respond to some now and some later. I respond to alty anddidnt like what she said didn't I. stop reading into everything and wrongly at that.

If theyneed and want your help feel free to go give it to them

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Originally Posted by Enigma1999

Lena, how old are you?

Were you sexually abused by a man, ever?

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I am 32

Yes. It is embarrassing. I toldmy therapist about this and she was embarrass I could tell so I don't bring it up no more

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Originally Posted by smoothy

The first step to overcome a problem is to FIRST ADMIT YOU HAVE ONE. THe second is being willing to take the steps needed to change.

As long as you think you are the only normal person and its everyone else thats wrong...you aren't going to get better.

And thats true not just for you, but for everyone else as well.

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I never said I was normal in anyway shape or form. I said everyone else is normal. I know I have problems

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Originally Posted by Cat1864

I don't think you like being negative. I think it is a protective shield and that protection is what you are getting out of it.

You don't like lying to yourself. I respect that. So instead of telling yourself what you see as a 'lie' what can you say that is positive and truthful to you? Let your therapist know that you need different affirmations than the ones she is giving you.

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We sit down and tries to think of affirmations and then shejust give them to me. I have to take my medicin every day and cannot even stick to that sigh.

I have come up with only the things I like to do like reading and learning on YouTube. She said they are not consider affirmations though

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Originally Posted by JudyKayTee

I have been saying this literally for months. I believe this person posted before under another screen name.

She posts her suicide threats which now include throwing herself under the subway and/or parking her car with the headlights out on a highway - taking other people along with her.

I have a real good idea why she can't find employment, but that's another issue.

I think this has turned into a chat site, something AMHD has always discouraged. It will be interesting the next time I post something and am reminded that this is NOT a chat site.

Someone else wants to be responsible when this person kills someone and has announced her intentions in advance and instead of shutting down shop it turns into a discussion?

I also see a lot of dislike of men (not that she doesn't dislike women, children and domestic animals of all kinds). Probably part of the paranoia. Then there's the whole self hatred thread running through the posts.

OP certainly dislikes me and is responsible for a large percentage of my "dislikes." Want to know why? Because I believe she had another user name, "conversation" was much the same, that person also lived in New Jersey.

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(Out of greenies for Enigma)

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No I dislike you because you're extremely condescening rude and make wrong assumptions stating them as truth. That's why I dislike you. And if your getting lots of dislikes that's your problem. Again don't be blaming me for things especially thing I'm not even doing. You don't have a right to cut in on these folks that's talking and trying to comeup with answers

Several time you tld me you don't like the thing I post don't see a point YET you come back again and again. So if there's really a problem with me go find peoples you think have a reason and need for help tired of communicating withyou and see no point in doing so either so guess we are the samee on that accord. You don't need to arrange a bandwagon of posters to leave the thread just go on your own already

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Exactly.....its clear she'd rather rant about everything than face the fact all her problems are both imaginary and self imposed.

I'm convinced she doesn't want help...she thinks the world should conform to her warped perspective rather than her making the changes she needs to make.

Unless she WANTS to change....then NOBODY walking this earth can help her. Shes happy wallowing in her misery.

Yes she's got some real issues...but most people with those same issues are willing to try to better themselves within the range of their capacity, whatever that might be.

I say if she wants to be unhappy and alone....she's got it...she's worked hard to run everyone off that's tried to help her.

And she's been a huge success at it.

I don't lose a wink of sleep at night over it either. As an adult everyone is responsible for their own actions...and the fruit of those actions.

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NONE of the stuff you stated in a tangent is anything remote close to what I actually said either. You're repeating your own thoughts and of others even if I state what I really think you call it what you wants anyway. So what's the point? Somebody toldme to give examples and that's what I did. Its ranting to you then. When I tries in life REALLY TRY this is what happen it get screwed around and I am done with it. I did try. Okay just forgetit. Everyone for get it. :( I'm done I had it.

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Originally Posted by redlipsticklena

i am 32

yes. it is embarassing. i toldmy therapist about this and she was embarass i could tell so i don't bring it up no more

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Do you think, perhaps, this is where the issues with men stems from?

How long ago did this happen? Was it recent, or years ago?

I do believe that you should look into another therapist. A therapist's job is to listen and help guide, not judge and show emotions of embarrassment. You should be able to speak openly to him/her.

Look Lena, we want to help you out as much as we can, so let's just start fresh and move forward.

So, please, when did these feelings of suicide start? Was it before or after you were sexually abused? Was it after your head injury?

When was the last time you took your meds?

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Originally Posted by redlipsticklena

NONE of the stuff you stated in a tangent is anything remote close to what I actually said either. youre repeating your own thoughts and of others even if i state what i really think you call it what you wants anyway. so whats the point? somebody toldme to give examples and thats what i did. its ranting to you then. when i tries in life REALLY TRY this is what happen it get screwed around and i am done with it. i did try. okay just forgetit. everyone for get it. :( i'm done i had it.

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Everything I said is spot on accurate based on your own statementas and your own actions... the last 11 pages.

And yes we can tell a LOT about who a person is and how they actually think based on what they say and how they say it.

I'm not going to take the time to quote any of your comments of them because they are their for your to see as well as everyone else..

Everything you have said and done indicates you don't WANT to do anything to change, there are pages of posts that prove it.

Just like this post you made... everyone else is wrong... YOU are the only person that's right in your own mind. YOu do it with us, you do it with your therapist... you did it with everyone that's been in your life... and that's why you have nobodyt around.

Seriously woman... wake up smell the coffee, smell the roses... and for once in your life instead of blaming everyone... how about listening to them for once. It would be a first apparently for you if you did.

I have a life as do other people, and we took the time out OUR lives to try and help you and all we get from you is dismissive comments and absolutely no acknowledgement that we are right...

Personally, like Alty I've had it as well, and I have better things to do with my time since you have no desire to listen to anyone and I have no desire to listen to someone so absolutely convinced they are the only person that is right and yet listen to how screwed up everything is for you.

News Flash... if YOU was right about everything and everyone else was wrong then your life should be working out splendedly for you.

Nobody should have to give you ANY money or ANY help... because YOU would have it all under control.

And like Alty, I'm going to do what I should have been doing since the first page of this thread... something else... anything else.


I have no desire to waste my time listening to someone rant from their soapbox.

If you really wanted help... we offered it, but you rejected everything everyone has said...

And with that I'm going to go do them before I say what's really on my mind as well.

Counselors do not get embarissed or upset, You could tell them about a orgy with two men and a goat and they just listen. They do not judge.

It is you that are assuming how others feel. If you can not be honest with your counselor, don't waste your time or theirs. Not telling the truth will not get you any help at all.

You obviously do not want to hear the truth, and have made your own world, which has warped views and values.

You need very professional help, and most certainly need to be back on your meds

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Everything I said is spot on accurate based on your own statementas and your own actions.....the last 11 pages.

And yes we can tell a LOT about who a person is and how they actually think based on what they say and how they say it.

I'm not going to take the time to quote any of your comments of them because they are thier for your to see as well as everyone else..

Everything you have said and done indicates you don't WANT to do anything to change, there are pages of posts that prove it.

Just like this post you made...everyone else is wrong...YOU are the only person thats right in your own mind. YOu do it with us, you do it with your therapist...you did it with everyone thats been in your life...and thats why you have nobodyt around.

Seriously woman....wake up smell the coffee, smell the roses.....and for once in your life instead of blaming everyone...how about listening to them for once. It would be a first apparently for you if you did.

I have a life as do other people, and we took the time out OUR lives to try and help you and all we get from you is dismissive comments and absolutely no acknowledgement that we are right.....

Personally, like Alty I've had it as well, and I have better things to do with my time since you have no desire to listen to anyone and I have no desire to listen to someone so absolutely convinced they are the only person that is right and yet listen to how screwed up everything is for you.

News Flash...if YOU was right about everything and everyone else was wrong then your life should be working out splendedly for you.

Nobody should have to give you ANY money or ANY help...because YOU would have it all under control.

And like Alty, I'm going to do what I should have been doing since the first page of this thread.......something else...anything else.


I have no desire to waste my time listening to someone rant from their soapbox.

If you really wanted help...we offered it, but you rejected everything everyone has said...

And with that I'm going to go do them before I say whats really on my mind as well.

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I never said I was right about everything I said you puts words in mymouth like you're doing now. If anyone on a damn soapbox its you. So SPEAK FORYOURSELF on here and not for me because you're not in my damn head.I'm tired of being knockdown left and right each time I give effort on something. You twist it around to blaming everyone and all these other things. I am done.
Whatever. You people can have the world. I couldn't careless to live here anymore.

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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

Counselors do not get embarissed or upset, You could tell them about a orgy with two men and a goat and they just listen. They do not judge.

It is you that are assuming how others feel. If you can not be honest with your counselor, don't waste your time or theirs. Not telling the truth will not get you any help at all.

You obviously do not want to hear the truth, and have made your own world, which has warped views and values.

You need very professional help, and most certainly need to be back on your meds

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I did thebest I could at explainingwhat ihave try with therapist andwhy I feels it didn't work. I didn't say I was right I said this is what I tried to do to demonstrate what I have try. That's it. You people have form your own thoughts muchof it based on thoughts that I never even said. . I did the best I can in the therapy and goes there to talk to her and did my bests here being honest aboutwhat I thought of the thing she was having me domaybe I should have lied. I don't know. Anyway I am very very tired of arguing with these people it is not about not hearing the truth I was trying communicate and it don't work no matterwhich why I try it. I don't belong here I know that now. I will feel very relieve when I don't have to wake up and try to fits in and make things work in the world I had no business being a part of in the first place. I would rather go blow my brains oout then spend another minute trying to do anything anymore. Bye

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Originally Posted by redlipsticklena

... bye

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This person posts more after she leaves forever than anyone posts when still active on the site. She'll be back with another user name.

(Out of greenies - well done, Smoothy.)

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