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    Jul 18, 2012, 08:47 AM
    Or the fact that routinely ,in some precincts in Philadelphia ,the turn out exceeds 100% of the registered voters .
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    #42

    Jul 18, 2012, 09:16 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    To avoid being punished for success.
    So Kerry was doing the right thing then.
    Paying taxes is a punishment is your view?
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    #43

    Jul 18, 2012, 09:39 AM
    Do you understand the difference between reasonable and punitive?
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    Jul 18, 2012, 09:56 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Do you understand the difference between reasonable and punitive?
    Yes. What do you want to know about that?
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    #45

    Jul 18, 2012, 11:12 AM
    There's nothing you could teach me about it.
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    #46

    Jul 18, 2012, 01:37 PM
    This is why Obama's remarks are so offensive...

    Who else, Mr. President?
    John Kass

    July 18, 2012

    When President Barack Obama hauled off and slapped American small-business owners in the mouth the other day, I wanted to dream of my father.

    But I didn't have to close my eyes to see my dad. I could do it with my eyes open.

    All I had to do was think of the driveway of our home, and my dad's car gone before dawn, that old white Chrysler with a push-button transmission. It always started, but there was a hole in the floor and his feet got wet in the rain. So he patched it with concrete mix and kept on driving it to the little supermarket he ran with my Uncle George.

    He'd return home long after dark, physically and mentally exhausted, take a plate of food, talk with us for a few minutes, then flop in that big chair in front of the TV. Even before his cigarette was out, he'd begin to snore.

    The next day he'd wake up and do it again. Day after day, decade after decade. Weekdays and weekends, no vacations, no time to see our games, no money for extras, not even for McDonald's. My dad and Uncle George, and my mom and my late Aunt Mary, killing themselves in their small supermarket on the South Side of Chicago.

    There was no federal bailout money for us. No Republican corporate welfare. No Democratic handouts. No bipartisan lobbyists working the angles. No Tony Rezkos. No offshore accounts. No Obama bucks.

    Just two immigrant brothers and their families risking everything, balancing on the economic high wire, building a business in America. They sacrificed, paid their bills, counted pennies to pay rent and purchase health care and food and not much else. And for their troubles they were muscled by the politicos, by the city inspectors and the chiselers and the weasels, all those smiling extortionists who held the government hammer over all of our heads.

    I thought about this after I heard what Obama told a campaign crowd the other day, speaking about business owners and why they were successful.

    "You didn't get there on your own," Obama said. "I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

    "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

    If you've got a business, you didn't build that? Somebody else made that happen?

    Somebody else, Mr. President? Who, exactly? Government?

    One of my earliest memories as a boy at the store was that of the government men coming from City Hall. One was tall and beefy. The other was wiry. They wanted steaks.

    We didn't eat red steaks at home or yellow bananas. We took home the brown bananas and the brown steaks because we couldn't sell them. But the government men liked the big, red steaks, the fat rib-eyes two to a shrink-wrapped package. You could put 20 or so in a shopping bag.

    "Thanks, Greek," they'd say.

    That was government.


    We didn't go to movies or out to restaurants. Everything went into the business. Uncle George and dad never bought what they could not afford. The store employed people, and the workers fed their families and educated their children and put them through college. They were good people, all of them. We worked together and worked hard, but none worked harder than the bosses.

    It's the same story with so many other businesses in America, immigrants and native-born. The entrepreneurs risk everything, their homes, their children's college funds, their hearts, all for a chance at the dream: independence, and a small business of their own.

    Most often, they fail and fall to the ground without a government parachute. But some get up and start again.

    When I was grown and gone from home, my parents finally managed to save a little money. After all those years of hard work and denying themselves things, they had enough to buy a place in Florida and a fishing boat in retirement. Dad died only a few years later. You wouldn't call them rich. But Obama might.

    Obama's changed. Gone is that young knight drawing the sword from the stone, selling Hopium to the adoring media, preaching an end to the broken politics of the past. These days, he wears a new presidential persona: the multimillionaire with the Chicago clout, playing the class warrior, fighting for that second term.

    And he offers an American dream much different from my father's. Open your eyes and you can see it too. He stands there at the front of the mob, in his shirt sleeves, swinging that government hammer, exhorting the crowd to use its votes and take what it wants.
    Like I said, most people succeed in America IN SPITE OF government, not because of it. Unless you're an Obama crony that is...
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    Jul 18, 2012, 04:16 PM
    Hello Steve:

    So, why don't you get mad at stuff he DID say? Getting mad at stuff he DIDN'T say will raise your blood pressure.

    excon
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    Jul 19, 2012, 02:48 AM
    Another business that the government built.

    Amonix closes North Las Vegas solar plant after 14 months, heavy federal subsidies - Business - ReviewJournal.com
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    Jul 19, 2012, 04:23 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    another buisness that the government built.
    Are you saying that this didn't happen with any other administration?
    You realize that that happens all the time, right?
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    Jul 19, 2012, 05:14 AM
    Not the point at all . The point is that the President has now made a few speeches downplaying the significance of individual achievement and propping up the role of government in business formation.
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    Jul 19, 2012, 05:17 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    not the point at all . The point is that the President has now made a few speeches downplaying the significance of individual achievement and propping up the role of government in business formation.
    Hello again, tom:

    That's the SPIN, but it's NOT what he said... Wouldn't it be better if we argued about what actually HAPPENED, rather than what some extreme news organization SAID what happened??

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    Jul 19, 2012, 05:53 AM
    I have this image of pioneers crossing the Mississippi River and saying... "we can't go any further .....there are no roads! " The President is making his point very clear . We are helpless without government assistance .
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    Jul 19, 2012, 05:59 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I have this image of pioneers crossing the Mississippi River and saying ..."we can't go any further .....there are no roads !! "
    Yes, it's EXACTLY like that!
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    Jul 19, 2012, 06:08 AM
    Well that is the strawman he creates . Ex even fell for it when he said he couldn't build a business without the roads.

    The truth is all these things that the President claims a successful businessperson depends on is ALREADY paid for by the business person . No more additional give back is required.
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    Jul 19, 2012, 06:17 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    We are helpless without government assistance .
    Hello again, tom:

    I don't know WHY you want to miss the point. Maybe that's what being a Republican is all about... I guess you miss it because you HATE Obama so much. I'm not impressed...

    Ever play Sim City?? In Sim City, you're in charge of a city.. The population grows or shrinks based on how you manage the city... You DON'T create jobs. You create the ENVIRONMENT for companies to thrive.. WITHOUT the environment, there won't BE companies... That's TRUE in the game, and it's TRUE in real life.

    Now, I probably DON'T need to explain what that environment IS, but I'm going to anyway, because you don't seem to understand how business operates..

    In Sim City, you build streets, you build fire stations, you build parks, you build stadiums, you build power plants, you build police stations, you build bridges, you build airports and sea ports, and you set tax rates...

    I said above that you can't build a factory in the middle of nowhere. You argued with me... But, clearly, WITHOUT those things listed above, your factory out in the middle of nowhere isn't going to thrive.

    If you want to talk about THAT, let's go. But, if you want to MAKE up stuff, I'm not your guy.

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    Jul 19, 2012, 06:26 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello Steve:

    So, why don't you get mad at stuff he DID say?? Getting mad at stuff he DIDN'T say will raise your blood pressure.

    excon
    That's all you have to say about John Kass' remembrance of how the government 'helped' his family build their business? What he said was clear, 'If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.'

    All the context in the world isn't going to change the meaning of that.
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    Jul 19, 2012, 06:30 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Ever play Sim City?.
    People aren't trying to build a city, they're building a business.

    I said above that you can't build a factory in the middle of nowhere. You argued with me...
    I argued with you. Apparently you've never been to Texas.
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    Jul 19, 2012, 06:37 AM
    In Sim City, you build streets, you build fire stations, you build parks, you build stadiums, you build power plants, you build police stations, you build bridges, you build airports and sea ports, and you set tax rates...

    I said above that you can't build a factory in the middle of nowhere. You argued with me... But, clearly, WITHOUT those things listed above, your factory out in the middle of nowhere isn't going to thrive.
    You put the cart before the horse. Evidently that's how Sim City works. In my world there is not one road built without demand for it ;there is not one stadium built until there is a population of working fans to go to games. You don't build police stations until there is a community of taxpayers to pay for it ;and needs the service .
    I don't know WHY you want to miss the point. Maybe that's what being a progressive is all about.
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    Jul 19, 2012, 07:11 AM
    Oh the irony...
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    Jul 19, 2012, 07:18 AM
    Hello Righty's:

    Yawn... Let me know when you want to discuss stuff that really happened.

    excon

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