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    Feb 14, 2018, 02:37 PM
    yeah this is about right
    The Trump and Clinton administrations had the following five traits in common during their first years:

    • There was a painful transition in personnel from campaign operatives to Beltway professionals;
    • Because of poor cooperation with Congress, both administrations failed to reform health care, but they both narrowly passed tax bills (hikes for Clinton, cuts for Trump);
    • Each administration had a fixation on a particular financial market as a metric of success (the bond market for Clinton, the stock market for Trump);
    • In each case, there was an excessive involvement of family members in policy-making
    • Both administrations were constantly dissatisfied with the press coverage they received.
    Our network analysis shows that Donald Trump has repeated the early error of the Clinton administration. He has been too much engaged with his inner circle, including family members, and allowed their responsibilities to overlap confusingly with those of other advisers and himself. In sum, in the Trump administration as in the Clinton administration, the president is more prominent than in the case of Nixon, but there are too many influential advisers working too closely with Trump, just as was the case in Clinton’s first year.
    If nothing changes in the Trump White House, the president will remain the center of all attention, and he will retain an inner circle of close advisors drawn from his past associates and family. It is possible that the increasing influence of more politically experienced operatives will reduce the disorienting gyrations in personnel and policy that attracted so much media attention last year.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-to-be/553148/

    Clinton's Presidency was well on it's way to meltdown until he hired Leon Panetta as Chief of Staff . He brought structure and discipline to the White House and most importantly limited the access to the President ,especially to Clinton's previous inner circle . I don't know if General Kelly will be able to get it done. But if Trump can't find an insider who isn't completely a swamp critter to do the job; he should probably recruit one from the corporate world . It is a growing trend in the corporate world for CEOs to hire professional Chief of Staffs . So there should be many to choose from .
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    Feb 15, 2018, 06:08 AM
    Clinton balanced the budget, Dufus adds to it.
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    Feb 15, 2018, 07:45 AM
    You want a balanced budget then no infrastructure, no welfare, no health care, no education or alternatively no military. The budget can be balanced with massive tax increases or no spending, there just isn't much middle ground
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    Feb 15, 2018, 09:55 AM
    I personally don't care so much for a balanced budget, but would go for a manageable debt, which repubs and conservatives seem to care about only when there is a democrat in the white house, or when they are the minority party. When they control government they turn into stupid drunk sailors on shore leave. The idiots made Pappy Bush a one term president for promising NO new taxes, and reality called for new taxes.

    Even the senile King Ronald (Reagan) believed in tax cuts, but raised taxes when he needed to spend money not budgeted. The Dufus is no King Ronald, not even close, and while his being senile hasn't been proved, he has lost his freaking mind for sure and no doubt is a lying, cheating bully with a history of conning folks out of their hard earned money.
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    Feb 15, 2018, 10:07 AM
    I personally don't care so much for a balanced budget, but would go for a manageable debt, which repubs and conservatives seem to care about only when there is a democrat in the white house, or when they are the minority party. When they control government they turn into stupid drunk sailors on shore leave.
    Don't insult drunken sailors that way ! . Do they spend like drunken Democrats ? Indeed they do . The debt is unsustainable now in excess of 100% of GDP and growing every year with mandatory spending . AND this has happened while interest rates were at give-away rates . I remind everyone that recent examples proves that when the crash comes ,it comes swiftly and hard .

    Clinton balanced the budget, Dufus adds to it.
    Not quite . Bubba signed on the the Newt agenda .
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    Feb 15, 2018, 10:25 AM
    There's hope then, since Dufus can maybe sign onto Nancy's agenda, or if we get lucky, Schumer's too. Hard to believe Newt went along with cutting military spending. Ahh the good old days of compromise.
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    Feb 15, 2018, 10:29 AM
    herr Donald should've picked Newt as Chief of Staff.
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    Feb 15, 2018, 01:10 PM
    The performance of Flynn and then Kelly blew my mind! Newt could do worse, if he can pass a background check. On an unrelated issue, did you hear the Dufus's remarks, or read about this?

    https://www.wired.com/story/pro-gun-...land-shooting/
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    Feb 15, 2018, 06:55 PM
    no did not watch or listen. Like I said ;I'm trying to ignore the tropes and platitudes .
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    Feb 16, 2018, 05:00 PM
    Clinton got impeached in the house, acquitted in the senate. Will Trump be so honored?
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    Feb 16, 2018, 05:42 PM
    depends on who has the majorities ,and if Senate Repubics turn on him ( a possibility ) . Impeachment is a political process .Nixon would've been convicted if Repubican Senators had not marched to the White House to tell him he did not have their support . But at least with Nixon there was a crime . Nixon tried to cover up WH involvement in a criminal break in . Clintoon lied perjured himself and suborned perjury from others(aka obstruction of justice ) . He lost his law license over that (his supports will say he surrendered his license before official disbarment ) . He also paid fines and settlements for a number of the cases he lied about .

    Trump ? Still waiting for a crime .
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    Feb 16, 2018, 07:20 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post

    Trump ? Still waiting for a crime .
    This depends on how you define crime. The man's whole life is one of cheating, he has stolen billions but bankruptcy and cheating your creditors is no longer considered a crime
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    Feb 16, 2018, 08:54 PM
    no doubt about that . The proper way would be to investigate a crime ;not investigate looking for a crime . Today's indictment of trolls who will never be extradited proves once again that this is a fishing expedition . I'm surprised he didn't indict Borat . Someone tell me which foreign influence has the biggest impact ...... 13 Russians trolls posing as Americans and taking out ads in Facebook and posting comments on twitter..... or ..... foreign former MI6 agent Christopher Steele creating a fake dossier on Trump, paid for by the Evita campaign ,that was used as justification to get FISA warrants spy on his campaign ?????

    For a year the American taxpayers have paid a fortune for this while real investigations like
    Nikolas Cruz
    was ignored by our law enforcement agencies . https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/polit...ter/index.html
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    Feb 17, 2018, 04:37 AM
    Mueller found his crime all right, or should we say CRIMES, and it was just as Hillary said, Russia was spreading FAKE news for the Dufus against her. Seeing as how all the Trump sycophants don't seem to be able to tell a straight story about their activities, or contacts, before, during, or after Trump was elected, we may have more still, and to be fair, maybe they were set up by Vlad and the crew, but for sure none of them has come forward with anything but denials. I can see where they could be unwitting co conspirators in the meddling drama. So many background check failures doesn't help Dufus either, and another point to add to dumb incompetence on top of his lack of action against his buddy Vlad. Puts to bed though, the Trump claim of a witch hunt, or a hoax for sure! Also doesn't clear The Dufus or his sycophants of any wrong doing, witting or unwitting, and no doubt we will have even more revelations to come. Wonder what he tells his true believers about that now? Regardless Mueller is still working!

    The FBI dropping the ball on the Florida shooter was vastly disturbing on so many levels, but there are no denials about that so far, and while it may not have prevented this tragedy, all he had to do was deny any allegations, there was nothing illegal about Cruze's actions whatsoever until he went to the school. It absolves the Florida legislature of nothing, as the root cause of this is still a young disturbed guy being able to buy a lethal weapon so easily, under the current laws. The blow back will be NASTY and rightfully so.

    I also think you better back away from Carter Page and those FISA allegations while you can. Get some popcorn and watch the show, but don't listen to any of the Trump sycophants especially Devin Nunes. He never had any credibility.
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    Feb 19, 2018, 05:41 AM
    Why are you trying to prove Hilliary right? She lost an election, her fix was in and the Russians ran around the net doing something, does anyone think they changed the minds of the people in the rust belt or the people outside the big cities? Sometimes there is just a need for change, it happens regularly about every eight years
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    Feb 19, 2018, 08:02 AM
    I don't know for sure whether it did or not, but both of them being in the public eye they had a history in which to draw from. Hillary, a lousy campaigner, had the better credentials, even with DECADES of right wing conspiracy theories and investigations. The Dufus well he has ALWAYS been a lying, cheating, bully, and a Dufus RACIST con man. That was an easy call for me. You are right the fix was in and the right wing won, they beat establishment conventional repubs so we get Trump, because that's the rules of the electoral college. Cool, but does that mean those opposed to him and his ilk should roll over and fall in line and kiss his ring? Doesn't work that way here Clete, probably never will.

    He thinks he can stay in power with his RACIST base of supporters? His repub sycophants? We will see in short order.
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    Feb 19, 2018, 09:08 AM
    There you go .... an admission of political motivation for domestic spying .
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    Feb 19, 2018, 10:01 AM
    Has nothing to do with politics, more with actual probable cause to look deeper into the matter. You may think Carter Page and the Dufus and his sycophants, are clean as the driven snow, but I would lean toward verification. Given the history of the people involved you actually are objecting to a deeper look?

    I'm not even talking about the Steele dossier, which everybody likes to blow smoke about, but actual FACTS and events we may not have a clear grasp of, but should become clear later. The investigation is hardly over with.
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    Feb 19, 2018, 10:46 AM
    Given the history of the people involved you actually are objecting to a deeper look?
    The normal way is to investigate a crime .....not look for a crime to investigate . That's how banana republics do it ;you know ,that presumed guilty thing .
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    Feb 19, 2018, 11:26 AM
    From the Mueller indictment.....2 of the Russians were able to enter the U.S. on travel visas which they received after applying for them through the State Dept in 2014. From June 4, 2014 - June 26, 2014 they traveled around the US.


    Who was head of the FBI ??? Robert Mueller & State Dept ??? JFKerry .

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