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    #21

    Jul 22, 2008, 07:02 PM
    Maybe the guy is just tired?

    Before one of you shining stars can bash me with your brilliance, I'll bash myself...

    Ow, ow, ow, ow, oof, ow euhoww, whew!
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    #22

    Jul 22, 2008, 07:11 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by BABRAM
    Ronnie "Bed time with Bonzo" Reagan didn't have Obama's vocabulary. It's basically a wash. But to correct your misgiving about Ronald Reagan he used "uh" a lot also. ;)
    More evidence of his much thicker skin and sense of humor - unlike The ObaMessiah. ;)

    This is from George W. Bush's Eulogy for Ronald Reagan:

    "Ronald Reagan understood paradoxicals. . . uh, paraducks. . . uh, paradorks. . . Stuff that doesn't seem to make sense. Like how we used trade sanctions to starve the commies in Nicaragua into respecting human rights while opening trade with apartheid South Africa so we could gorge them into submission. Or how the president always campaigned for a Balanced Budget Amendment, but submitted the most out-of-balance budgets in history. In effect he was saying, "There ought to be a law against what I'm doing!" Like I said, mysterious ways."
    And this is Obama, "Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states?"

    For the record, I don't equate eloquence with intelligence, wisdom, ability, leadership. I may not be the most eloquent and intelligent myself (insert joke here) but I can't help but trip over my own tongue, also. That's why I'd rather sing than speak - someone wrote the words for me :)
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    #23

    Jul 22, 2008, 07:19 PM
    Who is Obama? That funny noise is only the audible sound of a brain fart.
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    Jul 22, 2008, 07:33 PM
    That sounded terribly conservative George! Here, I'll bash you too...

    Bash, bop, slap.
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    Jul 22, 2008, 09:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx
    More evidence of his much thicker skin and sense of humor - unlike The ObaMessiah
    Steve, you're sounding more and more like Sky with every post. Pope Bozo Reagan kept them stitches as the entertainer easily amused his congregation into one massive national debt. How about a knee slapper for the gipper!


    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx
    I don't equate eloquence with intelligence, wisdom, ability, leadership. I may not be the most eloquent and intelligent myself (insert joke here) but I can't help but trip over my own tongue, also. That's why I'd rather sing than speak - someone wrote the words for me :)
    Speechless, I don't imagine George W. Bush does either. Oh! The irony.
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    #26

    Jul 22, 2008, 09:25 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by N0help4u
    Obama Says "Uhh" 144 Times in Eleven Minutes during Press Conference - Video Link 6/16/08

    His past uh, uh, um, uh's were nothing compared to lately.


    ...and to think how Bush was criticized for not being a good speaker!

    Anyway I was listening to the radio today and they said he said uh um's for 7 1/2 minutes straight today. Which speech and where was that? I am assuming today in the mideast?
    He thinks before he speaks, thank god he does instead of our current president, Bush, not thinking.
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    Jul 23, 2008, 04:50 AM
    Yeah this is a manufactured issue to a degree but Steve makes relevant points about the hypocrisy . Dan Quayle must be sitting home quite amused . His spelling of potato was a long running joke .But Obama ;who wants to be the President of 57 States for 10 years gets a pass.

    It is clear that when Obama is in front of a teleprompter he is an inspirational speaker . But when he speaks extemporaniously off the cuff he stammers and stutters . That is why he refuses to go one on one against McCain in a town hall format. McCain should challenge him to one as soon as Obama is home from his manufactured rainbow tour ;where he is so controlled ,they don't even bother miking the questioner.

    From Spitball with Chris Matthews :



    MITCHELL: Let me just say something about the message management. He didn't have reporters with him, he didn't have a press pool, he didn't do a press conference while he was on the ground in either Afghanistan or Iraq. What you're seeing is not reporters brought in. You're seeing selected pictures taken by the military, questions by the military, and what some would call fake interviews, because they're not interviews from a journalist. So, there's a real press issue here. Politically it's smart as can be. But we've not seen a presidential candidate do this, in my recollection, ever before.


    MATTHEWS: Let me ask you about access to the troops, Andrea. A lot of African-American faces over there, very happy, delighted faces. Is that a representation of the percentage of servicepeople who are African-American, or did they all choose to join someone they like, apparently? What's the story?

    MITCHELL: I can't really say that. Being a reporter who was not present in any of those situations, I just cannot report on what was edited out, what was, you know, on the sidelines. That's my issue. We don't know what we are seeing.
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    #28

    Jul 23, 2008, 06:52 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by N0help4u
    WHY does Obama say uh so much
    Hello saph:

    Uhhhh, I don't know. Do you think people who say uhhhhh, and I don't know, and ain't, ain't very smart?

    I don't know - uhhh, then I guess I ain't very smart. Bummer. I was thinking I was...

    excon
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    #29

    Jul 23, 2008, 08:27 AM
    But he is beyond smart . He announced his plan before he went on a fact finding trip.

    His fans should not worry . When he speaks in front of the Prussian victory column he will tear down the house.
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    #30

    Jul 23, 2008, 08:50 AM
    It is correct and factual to say that Ronald Reagan also did not have a great gift for public speaking. HOWEVER, Ronald Reagan remained true in his convictions and beliefs, and did not flip-flop.

    I find it utterly hilarious and at the same time, embarrassing, that Obama would publicly poke fun at Americans' foreign language skills, and then make himself look like the same people of which he is making fun; by improperly pronouncing "Merci boku" as Mercy boku (I'm sure the French were highly insulted as well). It is also so obvious that he is trying to lure Hispanic voters in by proposing that every American learn to speak Spanish fluently. Need I remind him that English is not only the dominant American language, but is also the Trade language and Aviation language of the entire world? He comes across as not only arrogant, but also very snide. I cannot place my trust in such a person. Furthermore, his claims of being a true Christian (Baptist), are quickly shot down when you find out that he vehemently opposes every possible form of abortion, including Partial-Birth abortions.

    I do not support McCain necessarily because I want to; rather, I choose McCain over the lesser of two evils. McCain has the necessary political and military experience to be the next President, Obama does not. Obama is still very wet behind the ears. That point is plain and simple.

    Obama supporters are a very jaded group, who choose only to live in the moment, and do not consider the consequences of their quick, thoughtless actions. Their goal is to merely garner enough support (via public opinion and the majority of news media) to make it past each stage. That, and a lack of commitment to a true stance, are why Democratic candidates tend to flip-flop so often (John Kerry was also a big flip-flopper).

    Ironically enough, it is the news media making the permanent records from which the flip-flops are so easily revealed. Such footage provides concrete proof (video witness) that the events occurred and the remarks were made.

    I just finished watching Obama's address to Israel - WOW, he really needs help if he thinks that Israelis are as unfocused and ignorant of his past actions, as the American populace he is so used to addressing. Israelis see right through his smoke and mirrors. They're not dumb enough to believe that the US can defend itself by slowing its development of military technologies, while the rest of the world forges ahead. Obama's campaign is merely one of hype. Check out Hype: The Obama Effect - HypeMovie.com - Citizens United

    We don't need another president (like Clinton) who is soft on war, and who would rather leave troops inadequately equipped, than to lose face in public opinion (Reagan would NEVER have cut back on military technology as Obama threatens to!). I'm referring to what happened in Mogadishu, Somalia in 1993. The request for AC-130 Spectre gunships was denied by Washington. The reason: too high profile. The administration wasn't ready to fully commit to the action required by its most elite troops. Many people believe that both of Clinton's terms in office were punctuated by peacetime. That is a flat-out lie. Somalia and Bosnia were both war-time actions, not "peacekeeping missions" as the media so artfully portrayed them. I know, my brother-in-law was there and was forced to salute a President who was a draft-dodger and didn't even know how to salute properly! The public does not fight America's battles! Highly educated military commanders and their soldiers do! General Petraeus is a man among men and the next President would be very wise to heed General Petraeus' advice.
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    #31

    Jul 23, 2008, 09:42 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by BABRAM
    Steve, you're sounding more and more like Sky with every post. Pope Bozo Reagan kept them stitches as the entertainer easily amused his congregation into one massive national debt. How about a knee slapper for the gipper!
    Oh puhleeeeze, I am 100% ME :)
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    #32

    Jul 23, 2008, 10:06 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55
    yeah this is a manufactured issue to a degree but Steve makes relevent points about the hypocrisy . Dan Quayle must be sitting home quite amused . His spelling of potato was a long running joke .But Obama ;who wants to be the President of 57 States for 10 years gets a pass.
    Apparently he's already the Prez. One of his foreign policy advisors told reporters that his speech in Germany "is not going to be a political speech. When the president of the United States goes and gives a speech, it is not a political speech or a political rally."

    At least a reporter noted, "But he is not president of the United States"
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    #33

    Jul 23, 2008, 10:24 AM
    Ronald "Shotgun Wedding" Reagan

    Besides other flip-flops like on abortion, here's a biggie:

    "Campaigned for 16 years, since his Goldwater acceptance speech and won in 1980 on a balanced budget platform, yet the first thing he did was massively increase the deficit, and for wholly political reasons said his Budget Director. This is the biggest flip-flop in US political history, and it drove conservatives crazy."

    Biggest myth is that we speak English in the US. At best we speak a bastardized version as we have been dropping English vocabulary and adding other immigrants words into the "American" language. We have not spoken English in over 200 plus years. Anybody interested in hearing English travel to England.

    English has never been the official language in the US, that's Civics 101 in the quiz book when legal residents apply for citizenship. Heaven forbid Obama imply that we educate the next generation in a second language, they may end up employed. :rolleyes:


    Concerned about Israel? Hmm...

    Like Bush, McCain is no friend of Israel's - Reader comments at DanielPipes.org

    "On the other hand, George W. Bush is the first U.S. president to make the establishment of a Palestinian (no question, terror) state in Israel a "formal goal of American policy." Bush and the Republicans codified this destructive policy in our 2004 national Republican party platform as well as commend Israel for her willingness to forcibly remove Jews from the land of Israel. I believe Dr. Pipes asked rhetorically, rather than forcibly expelling these Jews, why did Israel not simply remove IDF protection for Gaza's settlement communities.

    Indeed, John McCain supports Bush's anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian (jihadist) state policies. McCain has intimated that he might bring back one or both of the "smart guys" -- James Baker and Brent Scowcroft -- to help him shape Mideast policy. These two are inveterate Israel-bashers.

    As they say, "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."
    "



    ABC News: Israelis Ambivalent About Obama's Visit

    Israelis are not thrilled about John McCain and communication is becoming an increasing popular view in Israel. That's something that doesn't look favorable for the traditional wall that Republicans erect. Jews, and I'm one of them, are not looking toward either McCain or Obama, getting the job done. Who has? Name one president? None. No Republican or Democrat has ever done nothing more than a cosmetic pilgrimage to Israel. Correct. Israelis are not naïve.


    "However, Nabil Feidy, who owns a foreign exchange shop in East Jerusalem, is not so hopeful of the results. "I have no delusions about what Obama or any other president can do to solve the Arab-Israeli problem," he said.

    "However, it is a problem that only the U.S. is capable of solving, with its good relations with Israelis, with the Palestinians. They're the power of the world," he said. "We always hope that the next American president will be able to do something."

    Feidy said he supports Obama. "He's young, he's energetic, and America needs change," he said, "but I have no illusions about what he can do here. We won't see peace in the next four to eight years."
    "




    Israelis Want to Talk to Hamas | Newsweek International Edition | Newsweek.com

    "In a Haaretz-Dialog poll last month, 64 percent of Israelis said they supported direct talks; among those who belong to the country's dovish Labor Party, 72 percent favor negotiations. Yet even among those surveyed from the hawkish Likud Party, almost half--48 percent--said they favor a face-to-face dialogue. Already in recent weeks, even as the two sides have traded some of the most ferocious bombardments in months, a number of nongovernmental channels have opened between Israelis and the Islamists."
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    #34

    Jul 23, 2008, 10:25 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx
    Oh puhleeeeze, I am 100% ME :)
    100% something. Bull-tonga??
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    Jul 23, 2008, 10:31 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx
    Apparently he's already the Prez. One of his foreign policy advisors told reporters that his speech in Germany "is not going to be a political speech. When the president of the United States goes and gives a speech, it is not a political speech or a political rally."

    At least a reporter noted, "But he is not president of the United States"
    I love it. McCain blasted and begged Obama for months to take a trip abroad to Iraq. He did so and got more respect then the president. Bwa ha ha ha! That backfired on McCain. Any more bright ideas?
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    Jul 23, 2008, 10:39 AM
    Apparently he's already the Prez. One of his foreign policy advisors told reporters that his speech in Germany "is not going to be a political speech. When the president of the United States goes and gives a speech, it is not a political speech or a political rally."

    At least a reporter noted, "But he is not president of the United States"
    We know that he is not Prez . How ? Because a Prez would never come out of a one on one meeting and hold a press conference where he puts words in the mouth of the person he met with . They instead would hold a joint press conference.
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    Jul 23, 2008, 10:40 AM
    Any more bright ideas
    Certainly . McCain should challenge the globe trotter to a one on one town hall debate about foreign policy.
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    Jul 23, 2008, 12:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55
    Certainly . McCain should challenge the globe trotter to a one on one town hall debate about foreign policy.

    Oh! I do hope so! I do! I do! I do!
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    #39

    Jul 23, 2008, 12:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by ezbless
    It is correct and factual to say that Ronald Reagan also did not have a great gift for public speaking. HOWEVER, Ronald Reagan remained true in his convictions and beliefs, and did not flip-flop.
    ezbless, I recall Reagan as being known as The Great Communicator.
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    Jul 23, 2008, 12:35 PM
    Yes. The statement that Reagan did not flip-flop flap is a myth; example: abortion, budgets, etc... And as I mentioned in an earlier post for all his bravado the history of Pakistan nuclear capability charted right in the midst of Reagan's administration and it's documents that he was well aware of what was happening. Personally, in my book he was an enjoyable entertainer for a president. I voted for him the second term, which I admit my poor judgement in hindsight. I certainly preferred him over the G. Herbert voodoo economics and the current G. Dubya Bush.

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