Yeah I learned on mac's in school and I learned then they were crap at an early age.

The problem is that Apples never made inroads in the "real" (corporate) world, because the business community wasn't suckered. So all those kids who learned on a MAC then got a job and found they had to learn Windows and Office. Plus many found themselves at a disadvantage because they didn't know Windows or Office.

Exactly... part of why I've always stuck with Microsoft stuff. Because I have been dealing with computers since Bill Gates was still in college before MS-DOS was released. Yeah, the First IBM PC wasn't even an MS-DOS machine... it ran on BASICA. A IBM flavor of Basic in firmware. I actually acquired a very early one in 1992 that still worked and had the original green monitor. But it got stolen out of a storage area not long after that.

I learned computers on the Commodore CBM. Which were displaced when the IBM PC's came out. My first personal Computer was an Ohio Scientific, so yea, I remember CP/M and a few others... I remember the Altair and others you have only seen in Museums for decades.

I worked on Digital Equipment Corporation VAX 11-780 and PDP series computers with VMS back before I even got my first IBM compatible in 1988. But since then its been Microsoft all the way except for piddling around with Linux on and off. And recently building a Hackintosh.

I'm awesome too.

Then don't die or we will all be saying negative things about you before you can be buried.

Don't worry Calif I've been saying the truth about apple long before Jobs died. The biggest day I felt like a failure is when my wife came home with an Iphone. Three months later I was justified when she smashed it on the ground and called it a useless P.O.S

Ive been spreading the truth also for many many moons. But I try not to say bad things about persons that have passed at least until they are buried. That's just me.

Yeah we keep a whole staff of IT people to keep our Microsoft and other networks functioning . I keep on telling them all we need to do is get the right ap or 2 and they'd be unemployed .

So Jobs is gone but there has been just a little too much coverage, it is as though all innovation will now stop, a big bite taken out of the Apple which had a hard time surviving without Jobs

Now back to more important things, the bees have begun to buzz on the mountain

Or do bad things with lipstick and sharpies when the undertaker isn't looking.:eek:

You too? I had one with dual 5.25" floppies and an X-10 interface with dreams of creating a "smart home".

While Apple are not utterly ground breaking when it comes to product, where they have succeeded is in making the mundane COOL.
A lot of FORM over FUNCTION.
Yes the iPhone isn't all that great, there are better smart phones available.
The iPad is good, but tablet PCs have been around longer than the iPad
The Mac and Macbooks look awesome, but are priced as a fashion item rather than mere commodity.
The Style of Cool is what Steve Jobs promoted and marketed and he did it very well indeed.
The number of fan's of Apple will bear testament to that.
The long queues waiting for shops to open when a new iPhone is launched confirm Steve's vision of Cool.

I think this piece from the BBC sums it up well: BBC News - The cult of Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs managed to bring Cool to the masses..

I'm by no means an expert in judging one operating system over another .

Marketing cool will only take you so far... If the product is garbage the word spreads quickly.

My own view is that the so called cult of Apple grew over the premise that it's user friendly.. I can confirm that on testimonial from the very loyal Apple users I know. I also have some experience using a Macbook pro and it is a good product for the users. I don't say it is the best... but the users love it and swear by it.

You had Floppies with yours? You had one of the later models then (way out of my price range then)... I had a Cassette interface... This was in 1982. It was an Ohio Scientific Superboard. With a whopping 2k of static ram. I kept it for a lot of years until I finally got tired of moving it around and threw it out. Kind of wish I kept it to show some of the younger people what one of the earlier personal computers were like.

Of course the one I had was almost as useful as a Tickle me Elmo doll.

Here's the thing when I heard the Iphone was first coming out my IT director and I would get into screaming matches about who was going to get it first. Then we read what it did or rather what it couldn't do. We both looked at our phones and said these are better then the iPhone. A lot of people swear that the Jersey Shore is great entertainment that doesn't mean it is true.

The 4S is scheduled to start sales tonight. Preorders were swamping demand before Jobs ' death. It will probably dominate 4th Q sales this year.

Bunch of dummies!

Sorry Tom all that says to me is there are millions of stupid people who believe that since they were told this is the best it must be the best. And even if it is a POS no one will ever admit it because of how much money they spent on it.

At what point do the consumers conclude a product is a pos and stop buying ? Sooner or later they'd have to realize they aren't getting a quality product... no ?

Never underestimate the stupidity or gullibility of the average consumer.

Hollywood, NPR, CBS, NBC, ABC all make their livings off that. Not to mention more than a few retailers.

Hell look at the 2008 election. And the fact truth in advertising laws don't apply to politicians.

The problem is they don't know what quality should be in a device. They have been told this is the best nothing is better. But hey the iPhone 4S can almost do everything my phone in 2006 could do.

But no it isn't a quality product my wife when she HAD an Iphone would say I hate AT&T I never have an bars. I would be standing right next to her same AT&T service and have full bars. So is that quality?

She would have to charge her battery every night I would charge my N95 every two days. IS that quality.

Battery dies in the iPhone you have to send it back to apple to get the battery changed. I still have the original battery in my N95 and it still holds a charge event though I haven't used it in years. Is that quality?

You can only do video chat on wifi my N95 could do video on 3g or wifi. Is that quality?