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    Feb 4, 2018, 04:08 AM
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    More blame it on Obama BS, so w don't pay attention to what The Dufus and his sycophants are doing NOW!
    Yep, you have to have someone to blame and who better than the other fellow, look BO and Dilliary were into dirty tricks, but they didn't win, because they forgot it wasn't about how many votes you got, but how many college votes you had
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    Feb 4, 2018, 05:14 AM
    Come on Tom, even you cannot believe that if so far 4 former flunkies are criminals that they acted without instruction from higher up?
    Carter Page ....according to the records ,the Feds became suspicious of him October 2016 because of a trip he took to Moscow .That was a month AFTER Page left the Trump campaign. He is not charged with anything ;but it was their suspicions of him from the info they got from the Steele dossier that started the FISA process.

    Trump's team hired him because the inexperienced Trump was the improbable candidate and had no clue how to hire a foreign policy team. That task was left to Sam Clovis , a talk show host who had joined the Trump campaign .Page as with most of Trump's team was not vetted the way a professional staff would've been .All they knew was that Page had done business in Russia ;and part of the Trump plank was to improve relations with Russia where there was shared common interests (like fighting jihadistan) . What was Page's contribution ? Nada . Page testified that he NEVER met with Trump ;and he missed the only meeting Trump's campaign foreign policy team had.
    Mueller has as far as I can tell ,no interest in pursuing Page either for charges or as a witness.

    I'll deal with the 4 Mueller has wacked later .
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    Feb 4, 2018, 05:28 AM
    Clete ;here is another angle . The FBI ,and everyone in the government was convinced that Evita was going to win. Lisa Page ,one of the FBI operatives elbow deep in this controversy texted to her lover
    Peter Strzok a key FBI player in this folly ;"
    One more thing: she [Hillary Clinton] might be our next president. The last thing you need us going in there loaded for bear. You think she’s going to remember or care that it was more doj than fbi?"
    But with a Trump victory ,all their past covering up for Evita's crimes were going to be investigated by a new DOJ team. They texted about having an 'insurance policy' against a Trump win. What you are seeing here is that insurance policy being played out by rogue elements in the FBI . I say rogue ,but most of the players were and are still high ranking officials in the swamp.

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    Feb 4, 2018, 05:50 AM
    You get the gist of it. You must also understand that repubs know to keep power they also have to fall in line behind The Dufus because his base, that he keeps fed very well with an abundance of red meat, is their base too, and riling Trump could cost them in the 2018 election, and The Dufus knows how to take over the air waves with whatever peeves or antics he engages in. The lame stream media may be going in circles with those antics most times, but truth be told, many are NOT so distracted, or not for long enough, and despite his barrage on the norms of the system the layers of his corruption and wrong doings will be peeled away.

    LOL he thinks he can survive anything but he will be tested. He has been coasting along on Obama's coat tails, but soon he will be forced to govern, and address the REAL issues and all that bluster and loony hollering won't help him. 4 more days until the shutdown showdown is BACK!

    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Clete ;here is another angle . The FBI ,and everyone in the government was convinced that Evita was going to win. Lisa Page ,one of the FBI operatives elbow deep in this controversy texted to her lover
    Peter Strzok a key FBI player in this folly ;"
    One more thing: she [Hillary Clinton] might be our next president. The last thing you need us going in there loaded for bear. You think she’s going to remember or care that it was more doj than fbi?"
    But with a Trump victory ,all their past covering up for Evita's crimes were going to be investigated by a new DOJ team. They texted about having an 'insurance policy' against a Trump win. What you are seeing here is that insurance policy being played out by rogue elements in the FBI . I say rogue ,but most of the players were and are still high ranking officials in the swamp.

    It helps a lot when the right wing conspiracy machine chases it's own tail. You can bet The Dufus loves it when his followers are chasing waterfalls and butterflies, and VOTES!
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    Feb 4, 2018, 07:50 AM

    Papadopoulos... The new narrative that is being forwarded is that the Russian collusion probe began after Papadopoulos and an Aussie diplomat sat down for a bender. During the course of the conversation Papadopoulos told the Aussie that he knew the Russians had dirt on Evita and had Evita emails . He said he got his information from 'the Professor ' ;someone he met in Italy who supposedly had ties to Russian government connections .

    When WikLeaks started disclosing some of the information from the unprotected DNC email system ,and Evita's illegal unsecured server ,the diplomat reported his conversation to the FBI. This happened some time in May 2016. Well if that is so ,then why did they wait until Feb of last year to interview him ? Why were the FISA requests about Carter Page when by all logic they could make a better case against Papadopoulos? After all ,hadn't Trump made an off the cuff comment that if the Russians had hacked Evita emails that he hoped they released them ?
    If the basis of spying on the Trump campaign was based on the drunken musings of a low level Trump staffer then that makes the Dem abuse of the FISA system even more odious.

    Papadopoulos thought more of himself and his position than reality and it was for that that he got nailed making false statements to the FBI .The idea that he
    would be allowed close enough to Trump's inner circle to be a credible source and authority is absurd.
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    Feb 4, 2018, 08:04 AM
    Okay okay, I give! You win! I'll just ask how Obama and Hillary got Trumps repub picks to go along with this conspiracy against Trump?
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    Feb 4, 2018, 08:06 AM
    The charges against Manafort and Gates have nothing to do with the Trump campaign and predate the Trump candidacy.
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    Feb 4, 2018, 09:05 AM
    Okay okay, I give! You win! I'll just ask how Obama and Hillary got Trumps repub picks to go along with this conspiracy against Trump?
    I don't know . I could argue that Evita had a larger interest in a Russian relationship . What we know of it was quite lucrative . https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/u...m-company.html
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    Feb 4, 2018, 09:42 AM
    Hannity says the charges against Flynn and Manafort should be dropped and Mueller fired. You think repubs will go along with that?

    Are you going to bring back all the DEBUNKED Hillary conspiracy theories the loony right loves so much?
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    Feb 4, 2018, 12:29 PM
    I don't listen to Hannity and I don't think it would be wise to fire Mueller or Rod Rosenstein. I would however demand that Rosenstein (who has been awol and has let Mueller run his investigation unsupervised )oversee the investigation .Don't forget that Rosenstein appointed Mueller disregarding the rules of appointing a special investigation. The rules clearly say that a crime has to be named BEFORE a special council is appointed . That was never done. A crime has still not been named . But now we hear that Mueller wants to question the President despite the absence of a crime ,or any indication that Trump has relevant information. Mueller is operating without any parameters and that arrangement has to end .

    BTW what you call debunked conspiracy theory was reported by the Dem's bible . The NY Times .

    But hey ,lets appoint a prosecutor to investigate Evita with no restrictions .I for one want to know the content of the 20 odd emails that the emperor sent to Evita directly to her through her server (remember ...the emperor lied about when he found out about Evita's server and those emails prove it . ) I think they must've discussed classified information on those emails .Oh we know the emperor says he did not 'collude ' with Evita's mishandling of classified emails .Maybe his emailing her was just "extremely careless" .

    The prosecutor of that case should then also question Bubba . His tarmac meeting with AG Lynch had to be related right ? And of course he was at least a witness to the use of the server.

    And of course Evita should be hauled in for questioning .....this time without her co conspirator attorney and her personal flunky by her side .

    Maybe as the special prosecutor I'll bust into their houses in the dead of night with agents with guns drawn to search their homes for relevant information like Mueller did to Manafort . If Trump sic'ed a prosecutor on the Obots like that ,the Dems would be howling about a fascist government using extraordinary investigative powers not because he has established a case ;but because he can .

    Before Mueller thinks about interrogating the President ,he 'd better have strong evidence that Trump committed a crime . and for an FYI 'collusion ' is only a crime when related to anti-trust laws .
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodies? is the question .
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    #51

    Feb 4, 2018, 01:20 PM
    It is all a fishing expedition
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    Feb 4, 2018, 08:43 PM
    Mueller (A republican and experienced and RESPECTED FBI director) was appointed to investigate the crime of election interference by a foreign government, and if any American(s) helped them. With 4 of Trumps closest involved and charged with a crime you damn right he should be questioned.

    No one is above the law and previous presidents have testified, so why can't he? If he I innocent no collusion or conspiracy then he shouldn't be worried with his lying cheating big mouth tidy whitey a$$! Or he can take the Nixon way out RESIGN, or keep firing people.

    CONGRATS EAGLES!
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    Feb 4, 2018, 08:56 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    CONGRATS EAGLES!

    And they did it against the best 4thQ QB ever!
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    Feb 4, 2018, 09:16 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Mueller (A republican and experienced and RESPECTED FBI director) was appointed to investigate the crime of election interference by a foreign government, and if any American(s) helped them. With 4 of Trumps closest involved and charged with a crime you damn right he should be questioned.

    No one is above the law and previous presidents have testified, so why can't he? If he I innocent no collusion or conspiracy then he shouldn't be worried with his lying cheating big mouth tidy whitey a$$! Or he can take the Nixon way out RESIGN, or keep firing people.

    CONGRATS EAGLES!
    Pardon Tal your bias is showing, Trump can be interviewed but if Mueller really has evidence he can supeona him but it really is a fishing expedition, just like the Hilliary emails. We know these people have a case to answer, the question is what is the case, who is the answer it, and that isn't obvious. A few little fish will take a fall, and Trump will pardon them. The whole thing looks like a deliberate plot to create the herring rouge, one chases esponage this way, another chases influence that way. Meanwhile we get a good laugh watching the circus

    https://youtu.be/T7J0RSC1ICw
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    Feb 5, 2018, 07:11 AM
    You are right Mueller can subpoena The Dufus to appear before him, and I have set out his options very clearly above, but you and Lou Dobbs can spout off all the right wing loony talking points you want, it changes nothing, and only your fellow loonies would even buy that crap. Talk about phishing? Hillary has been investigated for decades... they got nothing, but hollering, Obama has been hollered about for 8 solid years and counting... you got nothing.

    Now it's the Dufus's turn in the barrel, and we will see if we phish any better than you wingers do. You may think me biased, no more than you are, or anyone else for that matter. I can't help but think that you and the rest of the far right talk some really crazy stuff sometimes. I understand it even though I don't agree most times, but the bigger picture is I feel that Trumps onslaught of the LAW is purely elf serving and he is hiding something and needs to be as thoroughly and vigorously scrutinized as those before him.

    You and The Dufus are daft if you think you can holler and scream about others constantly, and nobody will holler back! Not going to happen. So yeah... I AM BIASED!
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    Feb 5, 2018, 08:06 AM
    Russian interference in the election is a counter intelligence investigation. There is no crime and no charges have been made related to that . The 4 people Mueller charged were for process related issues or activities they were involved in before joining the Trump campaign.
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    Feb 5, 2018, 08:13 AM
    By your own words Tom, Trump hired criminals, so WHY? That doesn't raise questions and concerns in your mind?
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    Feb 5, 2018, 10:47 AM
    They are charged . There was no indication they did anything wrong when hired . My admission was that Trump was not an insider and there were few insiders willing to join his campaign .So he did not have a deep pool to pick from in the spring of 2016 .
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    Feb 5, 2018, 11:20 AM
    Seems to me a simple background check would have revealed a lot about their past activities, or a GOOGLE search, and the fake news sure knew about their pasts, but given the exodus of so many then it would seem the pool of the best and brightest would be really shrinking, and I find it fascinating he denigrates his own appointees at justice, and the FBI and lauds the rank and file. Strange when FISA warrants starts at the FBI, facts investigated and verified at the rank and file field agents and sent up the chain to be reviewed and signed off on. Not knowing that basic FACT about the process is disturbing but more disturbing is he hasn't LEARNED it yet. You can forgive a stooge like Hannity, or even anybody for that matter, for not knowing fully about those FACTS of process, but NOT POTUS! Don't you agree?

    TWO DAYS left until Shutdown Showdown.
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    Feb 5, 2018, 11:41 AM
    How does possible misconduct by senior FBI officials intersect with the Mueller investigation?

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