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speechlesstx · Nov 14, 2013, 03:03 PM

Not strange at all, the left here has no shame in arguing for equity on one hand while carving out favors for their own special interests.

Handyman2007 · Nov 14, 2013, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello J:

If I had my druthers, the insurance companies would NOT have been left in the loop to do these very things.

I've been prescribed a cream for rash. A month or so ago, my co-pay was about $6. A few weeks ago, my co-pay was $23. Last time I bought it, my co-pay was $46.

I'd LIKE to blame somebody, too. How about Ted Cruz?

excon

And just what does Ted Cruz have to do with it?

speechlesstx · Nov 14, 2013, 03:28 PM

He's just scaremongering.

speechlesstx · Nov 14, 2013, 03:55 PM

ex's state says no dice to The Liar's "fix."

State rebuts Obama plan to allow old health insurance policies

talaniman · Nov 14, 2013, 04:11 PM

But doesn't that blow your whole argument out of the water? Those poor people who like what they had, but can and will do better. Your noise and lies have been exposed. Even your noise about the website is bogus, since in blue states you can access their exchange very easily. Same in some red states but we can't tell that lie can we.

speechlesstx · Nov 14, 2013, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

But doesn't that blow your whole argument out of the water? Those poor people who like what they had, but can and will do better. Your noise and lies have been exposed. Even your noise about the website is bogus, since in blue states you can access their exchange very easily. Same in some red states but we can't tell that lie can we.

You're very good at spinning whatever the situation, exactly what argument is blown out of the water?

tomder55 · Nov 14, 2013, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

But doesn't that blow your whole argument out of the water? Those poor people who like what they had, but can and will do better. Your noise and lies have been exposed. Even your noise about the website is bogus, since in blue states you can access their exchange very easily. Same in some red states but we can't tell that lie can we.

and yet very few have signed up ....and the ones that do are the Medicaid eligible....not the young invincibles who's participation is counted on to keep the whole flawed system afloat .

I'm wondering where the constitutional authority comes from that the emperor thinks he can change laws at will and force private businesses to comply to his decrees .

smearcase · Nov 14, 2013, 06:00 PM

Tom,
Are conditions screwed up badly enough yet for Obama to implement Single Payer by fiat, as planned?
Just another day for CMS to add several million names to their list?

tomder55 · Nov 15, 2013, 05:49 AM

it's getting there . Create a crisis and exploit it seems to be his m.o.

speechlesstx · Nov 15, 2013, 05:51 AM

Who said "never let a serious crisis go to waste?"

tomder55 · Nov 15, 2013, 06:08 AM

I'd also remind Congress that they are on shaky constitutional grounds making legislation that forces insurance companies to sell discontinued policies to their customers(especially the Landrieu bill). Through mandate they forced the insurance companies to discontinue them ;and now are demanding that they reinstate them . Insurance companies have planned, invested in, and launched major expensive changes to comply with Obamacare. Now they're going to be compelled to spin on a dime to protect Democrat @sses,without regard to private property rights, those of individuals and insurance companies. I think this smacks of violating the 5th amendment taking clause.
I think the only 'fix' to Obamacare is repeal .

excon · Nov 15, 2013, 06:52 AM

Hello again, tom:

I think the only 'fix' to Obamacare is repeal .

You won't mind, will you, if I point out that you really don't want to "fix" Obamacare?? Who do you think you're fooling?? ANY suggesting coming from your side with the word "fix" in it will be IMMEDIATELY discarded, and severely derided..

excon

tomder55 · Nov 15, 2013, 06:58 AM

A repeal is IMHO a "fix " to a bad law.

tomder55 · Nov 15, 2013, 07:11 AM

NY Slimes Andrew Rosenthal ; still trying to run cover for the emperor says he had a choice to be considered a liar or a fool.........and he chose fool. But wait .....it's still not his fault ......

I have seen no proof that Mr. Obama knew the details of the grandfather clause when he made his famous promise. But there had to be many, many people in his administration who did know the details. They could have, and should have, told the president that what he was saying was flat wrong – that the grandfather clause would not deliver on his broadly drawn promise.
In order to be covered, you had to have a policy that you bought before the law was signed in 2010 and was still in effect without significant changes at the end of 2013 — no major change in premiums, co-pays or coverage. How likely is that in the volatile world of individual health insurance, where policies last for a year and are subject to change at the whim of insurance companies?

On one level, it should surprise no one that a politician faced with either seeming like a liar or seeming like a fool would choose the fool. But that still leaves us with the disturbing impression — and not for the first time in this administration — that Mr. Obama sometimes shoots from the hip, that he is still struggling to handle the politics of the presidency after nearly five years in office, and that he is surrounded by people who are too incompetent or too weak to help him.

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/...-promise/?_r=0

talaniman · Nov 15, 2013, 07:15 AM

Your opinion hasn't changed since the debate began years ago. Nor have the actions you have taken to repeal after the obstruct thing FAILED. Now we are seeing commissioners telling insurance companies OBEY the law. To hell with those blue dogs up for re election. Congress can move fast when it wants too can't they, but when they don't want too, its might not happen. I mean just look at what they can pass in one day, and look at what they can't pass in a year or two/three.

The fix is special personal care/counseling for affected policy holders. You can do that by phone, with a pen, and paper. Obama bought some time with his suggestion because we all know how slow congress can be. They will talk for 18 days and go home. Merry Christmas, Happy New Year. The turkeys will boycott Thanksgiving, but congress gets stuffed with dressing.

tomder55 · Nov 15, 2013, 07:22 AM

yup my opinion has not changed ,it's a bad and unconstitutional law (to hell with what John Roberts says ...... Congress did NOT add the "tax" language into the law's fine provisions .That he divined out of whole cloth .) The emperor's fix is to impose another unconstitutional executive decision in violation of the 5th Amendment "Taking clause " .

speechlesstx · Nov 15, 2013, 08:17 AM

If you liked yesterday's nonsense you're gonna love the next one. And damn it AMHD, stop editing my spelling.

talaniman · Nov 15, 2013, 08:22 AM

Your doctor doesn't work for free. He won't like you very much if he doesn't get paid.

speechlesstx · Nov 15, 2013, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Your doctor doesn't work for free. He won't like you very much if he doesn't get paid.

Wow, I believe that's our argument, you can't have it. But good to see you still support a lie.

Wondergirl · Nov 15, 2013, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

And damn it AMHD, stop editing my spelling.

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