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Wondergirl · Mar 13, 2019, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I can't think of anything better than a wall.

It can be gone over, under, and around.

Also, it would block migrating animals, family get-togethers, and business efforts. And building it on US land would prevent our access to and use of the Rio Grande.

jlisenbe · Mar 13, 2019, 05:21 PM

Also, it would block migrating animals, family get-togethers, and business efforts. And building it on US land would prevent our access to and use of the Rio Grande.

Just as prison walls allow for controlled access into and out of the prison, I think we can come up with a wall that would do the same, as opposed to the current situation of uncontrolled entrance resulting in hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants each year. Now as for all those many thousands of family get-togethers in the middle of nowhere next to the river, I guess we might lose some of those.

Face it. If Obama had suggested a wall, you would be all for it. The problem with the wall is the fact that Trump came up with the idea.

Wondergirl · Mar 13, 2019, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Just as prison walls allow for controlled access into and out of the prison, I think we can come up with a wall that would do the same, as opposed to the current situation of uncontrolled entrance resulting in hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants each year. Now as for all those many thousands of family get-togethers in the middle of nowhere next to the river, I guess we might lose some of those.

Face it. If Obama had suggested a wall, you would be all for it. The problem with the wall is the fact that Trump came up with the idea.

My opinion would be the same no matter WHO thinks it's a good idea. It's a STUPID idea.

Putting a wall down there will keep us in (like the prisons you are so fond of mentioning), and will not keep "them" out. Oh, and where do you plan to build that wall -- on the US side of the river????

A wall can be gotten under, over, and around. (Ask those prisoners you write about.) And there are always boats. Maybe "they" will begin to land in Mississippi, and that state can build a wall.

talaniman · Mar 13, 2019, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I can't think of anything better than a wall.

If you can't think of a better idea than the dufus, you're in big trouble.

Originally Posted by tomder55

so the idea is that if it is not 100% effective ,it should not be tried ? What a silly argument . I can assure you no one unauthorized crosses the Azerbaijan Baku border with Russia .

They don't have a wall, they have a barbed wire fence, with sensors, and shoot to kill guards

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijan–Russia_border

paraclete · Mar 13, 2019, 08:05 PM

Let's clarify this before it gets ridiculous, a wall has been part of planning for years, it is not an exclusive Trump idea, in fact, Trump doesn't appear to have original ideas. He uses hyperbole, exaggeration, to make a point.

jlisenbe · Mar 14, 2019, 04:11 AM

They don't have a wall, they have a barbed wire fence, with sensors, and shoot to kill guards

So you're saying that's what we should do on our southern border?

paraclete · Mar 14, 2019, 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

So you're saying that's what we should do on our southern border?

As I said, until you shoot someone, you don't have an eppective Border

jlisenbe · Mar 14, 2019, 04:52 AM

Let's do the humane thing. Build the wall.

talaniman · Mar 14, 2019, 06:19 AM

We have a barrier, we just need an effective humane way to process them. Amazing how we dealt with migration for generations, and now we seem to have forgotten. Save the building for schools, roads, and a brand new power grid that serves us through THIS century.

jlisenbe · Mar 14, 2019, 06:26 AM

If we have a barrier, it is the most ineffective, porous barrier imaginable. The prediction is for close to a million illegal crossings just this year alone.

Why on earth do we need a brand new power grid? And do you really think the 10 bil projected for the wall will build all the roads and schools we need?

Build the wall. Get on with it.

talaniman · Mar 14, 2019, 07:42 AM

Priorities dude. Most of us are not threatened by brown people fleeing bad situations, but our kids and grandkids have needs to be addressed. They deserve the best we can give them and a start on better things. Your wall is but a distraction from THAT priority.

Like the dufus will be happy with 10 billion bucks even after repubs deficit trillion dollar tax cuts for the rich. He will keep coming back for more and we BOTH know that.

Wondergirl · Mar 14, 2019, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

The prediction is for close to a million illegal crossings just this year alone.

Build the wall. Get on with it.

Fact: 396,579 people were caught illegally crossing the border in the year ending September 30, 2018.
Source: U.S. Customs and Border Patrol

Hard to believe it will be a million. And illegal immigrants pay taxes but don't get government help.

Fact: Two-thirds of the recent unauthorized immigrant population entered the U.S. on valid visas, then stayed in the country after that visa expired.
Source: Center for Migration Studies

talaniman · Mar 14, 2019, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Build the wall. Get on with it.

You do understand such a project would take YEARS, even if you had the votes in congress... which OBVIOUSLY you don't. Even repubs have doubts about the Dufus plan.

jlisenbe · Mar 14, 2019, 11:41 AM

Hard to believe it will be a million. And illegal immigrants pay taxes but don't get government help.

Their children certainly get benefits. They are also eligible for workmen's comp, emergency med care, and WIC benefits.

Suppose it is merely half a million. Is that supposed to make us feel better?

talaniman · Mar 14, 2019, 01:16 PM

Can you verify what you say are facts? The guidelines for those benefits are fairly strict for eligibility, and necessary for CHILDREN. You do have to sign up for them so how illegal can the parents be?

How does your wall address the flaws in our system?

jlisenbe · Mar 14, 2019, 01:29 PM

"The law includes important exceptions for certain types of services. Regardless of their status, not-qualified immigrants are eligible for emergency Medicaid if they are otherwise eligible for their state’s Medicaid program. The law does not restrict access to public health programs that provide immunizations and/or treatment of communicable disease symptoms (whether or not those symptoms are caused by such a disease). School breakfast and lunch programs remain open to all children regardless of immigration status, and every state has opted to provide access to the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC)."

The children can certainly attend public schools.

https://www.nilc.org/issues/economic...igfedprograms/

As to the workman's comp, that is evidently a state by state decision. Many states allow illegals to get WC.

How does the wall address flaws? It prevents illegal immigrants from simply strolling across the border. I would say that's about the biggest, largest, most humongous flaw in the system.

talaniman · Mar 14, 2019, 01:56 PM

You don't need a wall for that, just adequate processing system to deal with the bottleneck of people at points of entry, and a walk through southern deserts is hardly a stroll. It's a very dangerous life threatening journey.

All kids in OUR country should be in a school, fed well, taken care of, and immunized against disease. Legal or not!

Wondergirl · Mar 14, 2019, 01:59 PM

Those illegal immigrants will pick your crops, reroof your house, build your garage, and even wipe your butt in the nursing home. And for how much per hour????

paraclete · Mar 14, 2019, 02:33 PM

Are we talking minimum wage now?

jlisenbe · Mar 14, 2019, 02:53 PM

Build the wall. Let them enter legally with a green card. They can work all they want.

I'm all for these immigrants. Sometimes I think they are more American than a lot of people who were born here. They work hard, but they are ILLEGALLY in the country. For those of us who actually believe in the rule of law, that is not a good thing.

I think the ONLY reason the average democrat politician is for a blanket amnesty is that they see a potential new voting block. They don't care about these people. They talk a lot, but if you look at what they have done personally, with their own money (of which they typically have a lot), they have done nothing.