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    Aug 16, 2017, 12:16 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Calling me a Nazi enabler is an unwelcome ad hominem insult .

    It was intended to be an insult. I don't talk nice to Nazis. My mistake was including "enabler".
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    Aug 16, 2017, 01:17 PM
    up yours . Go on report me !!!
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    Aug 16, 2017, 01:41 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    up yours . Go on report me !!!
    Ah, the real you. I knew we'd see it sooner or later.

    Report you? What for? You give too much importance to yourself.
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    Aug 16, 2017, 01:56 PM
    BREAKING NEWS

    Trumps CEO councils disbanded! The fallout continues even as the GOP, and darn near everyone is rebuking Trump position that is seen as defending the ALT right protestors. That's a good sign, but will Trump learn from his mistakes?
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    Aug 16, 2017, 02:38 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    BREAKING NEWS

    Trumps CEO councils disbanded! The fallout continues even as the GOP, and darn near everyone is rebuking Trump position that is seen as defending the ALT right protestors. That's a good sign, but will Trump learn from his mistakes?
    Trump disbanded them as soon as he realized that they were resigning en masse. The CEO group was a sham from the beginning. They were waiting for their first meeting which they never had, and the Charlottesville mess was the proverbial straw.

    No, Trump won't learn. He's not capable of that. He'll resign first and blame everybody else.
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    Aug 17, 2017, 01:14 PM
    We All know Athos loves, absolutely,LOVES terrorists, namely ANTIFA who were involved, and who started the violence, but they are leftists and as such have his adoration.

    Besides Nazi stand for NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY, in German. In what universe are Socialists anything but far left? You are supposedly so well "educated", how can you ignore that fact?
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    Aug 17, 2017, 02:03 PM
    Tal ,advisory councils are for show. The CEOs joined because they could garner favors with cronyism . They left because the equation changed with Trump's pivot and re-pivots on his comments .But tell me what one of these advisory councils has ever accomplished in any administration. At most they meet a couple times in a couple of years and then publish a bogus report before they leave .
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    Aug 17, 2017, 05:26 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    We All know Athos loves, absolutely,LOVES terrorists, namely ANTIFA who were involved, and who started the violence, but they are leftists and as such have his adoration.

    Besides Nazi stand for NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY, in German. In what universe are Socialists anything but far left? You are supposedly so well "educated", how can you ignore that fact?
    Antifa isn't as big or widespread as you guys make it, certainly not as big and widespread as your white supremist, and they are not one group but many, not all of them are radical, or violent.

    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Tal ,advisory councils are for show. The CEOs joined because they could garner favors with cronyism . They left because the equation changed with Trump's pivot and re-pivots on his comments .But tell me what one of these advisory councils has ever accomplished in any administration. At most they meet a couple times in a couple of years and then publish a bogus report before they leave .
    I know that, but it still looks bad.

    None of that justifies following the RACIST Dufus though and his lying a$$!
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    Aug 17, 2017, 06:08 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Antifa isn't as big or widespread as you guys make it, certainly not as big and widespread as your white supremist, and they are not one group but many, not all of them are radical, or violent.



    I know that, but it still looks bad.

    None of that justifies following the RACIST Dufus though and his lying a$$!
    Tal, get over it, the President doesn't like leftists, he respects history, brave men of all persuasions died to make your country, but what you have now is that a certain element wants to forget that. The notion that the south was defending slavery is as daft as the idea that Lincoln wanted to abolish it. Lincoln used emancipation as a political tool when it suited. The south was defending states rights, the idea that they were free within their own borders. Now Trump just might have that idea in mind as he fights off the alligators who are nipping at him and attack every word he says.

    You don't like his policies, fine, you don't have to
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    Aug 17, 2017, 06:50 PM
    Trump knows as much about American history as you do Clete, which is obviously NOTHING.
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    Aug 17, 2017, 10:32 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Trump knows as much about American history as you do Clete, which is obviously NOTHING.
    Now Tal don't tell me the US exercise of exporting its culture and history to the world has failed. I am well aware of some aspects of american history, I have read Lincoln's letters and am acquainted with your civil war. People in other parts of the world follow what goes on over there if for no other reason than every stupid idea that arises there will be tried out here. You have exported your civil rights struggle to our indigenous, our Constitution is modelled on yours, we suffer from your multinationalism, which has decimated our industries, and we are daily regaled with your politics as media gobbles up the circus
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    Aug 18, 2017, 05:22 AM
    Our ideas are nothing new Clete as we struggle to achieve better outcomes of self governess, and it's a messy ONGOING process of implementation. Don't blame us for YOUR own problems though, and certainly don't just fall for the spin of self interested parties.

    You are responsible for how you deal with your own world no matter what you see on TV. Seems if you have a better idea then you would have done it to solve your own problems by now, so I hope you keep learning until you do. I can only suggest Netflix and popcorn or some other form of enjoyment, if you are so tired and frustrated with our dominance or influence into your society, which is totally voluntary I might add.

    Yes they have been hollering states rights to justify slavery since before the civil war, but any dufus can see they lost the argument and the war, but seem to want to perpetuate the myth to save face and ego or hide the fact they were just WRONG, to build a world of privilege on the backs of their fellow humans used for free labor, through the most cruelest of behavior with no regard for their humanity.
    That's the big lie about THEIR culture and legacy they glorify, that is being exposed for what it really is.

    It seems to me you would learn from their (OUR) folly and failure and do better and not just imitate them.
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    Aug 18, 2017, 07:30 AM
    Seems if you have a better idea then you would have done it to solve your own problems by now,
    We have a lot of better ideas but no one listens to us, the not made here syndrome is strong in the US, our society works without rampant poverty and massive government debt. We are saddened by what we see is touted as leadership, yes, you did build your nation on the backs of the oppressed and those acts should not be glorified. We have an indigenous population who want this place returned to barbqarea despite the fact they are a small minority and they only had this idea watching your freedom marchers who had not thrown off the yoke of racism after a hundred years, but a survey suggests that even your own people are not in favour of taking down the statues, but you want to lambaste Trump for siding with public opinion.

    Don't give in to mob rule or you will give in to a minority of trouble makers
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    Aug 18, 2017, 08:34 AM
    You will have to show me that survey you speak of because my own readings and observations show differently. Forgive me if I just don't take your word for it, but your own obvious prejudices dampen your credibility in this regard. Comparing our own lawful democratic processes to mob rule is as ignorant as it gets Clete. Or maybe I have misunderstood your meaning as our languages are different.

    Please elaborate.

    You don't like Dump either so who are you fooling?
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    #35

    Aug 18, 2017, 03:03 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post

    You don't like Dump either so who are you fooling?
    Just because I don't like him doesn't mean he can't be right on some issues. You speak of democratic processes but it seems your government operates in the complete opposite of democratic processes. Your government operates with a building full of unelected officials appointed at the whim of your king/emperor and it has become like a revolving door.

    By mob rule I mean operating to placate the mob on the street.
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    Aug 18, 2017, 03:27 PM
    Clete recognizes the Taliban's left efforts to purge history . By the time they are finished the Jefferson Memorial will be knocked down .Already they want to remove a statue of Washington from a Chi-town park . Maybe they'll use mortars on Mt Rushmore like the Taliban did on the carvings of Budda at Bamiyan. Maybe they will remove half the memorials and statues at Gettysburg . This was all predictable . Long before they started this jihad they were at war against Christian symbols .
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    Aug 18, 2017, 05:11 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Clete recognizes the Taliban's left efforts to purge history . By the time they are finished the Jefferson Memorial will be knocked down .Already they want to remove a statue of Washington from a Chi-town park . Maybe they'll use mortars on Mt Rushmore like the Taliban did on the carvings of Budda at Bamiyan. Maybe they will remove half the memorials and statues at Gettysburg . This was all predictable . Long before they started this jihad they were at war against Christian symbols .
    I feel sorry for you Tom and this nonsense has implications for us, The indigenous push to remove the national holiday, Australia Day, which commemorates the arrival of the First Fleet, will be emboldened. Already one Melbourne Council has the termedity to abolish it. We expect to to see statues of Cook and Phillip torn down and the red, yellow and black flag raised on high, towns will be renamed, and explorers denigrated, and the majority will wonder what is going on as parliament is smoked?
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    Aug 18, 2017, 05:15 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Just because I don't like him doesn't mean he can't be right on some issues. You speak of democratic processes but it seems your government operates in the complete opposite of democratic processes. Your government operates with a building full of unelected officials appointed at the whim of your king/emperor and it has become like a revolving door.

    By mob rule I mean operating to placate the mob on the street.
    You mean you guys elect the staffers of your government officials? Do you elect ambassadors too? You do know that we have 3 EQUAL branches of government don't you? The so called emperor/king has to contend with the legislature, AND judiciary branches of our government. Seems your ignorance of our history is matched by your ignorance of how our democratic process works. No wonder you are in a dither of how your own government ha preformed.

    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Clete recognizes the Taliban's left efforts to purge history . By the time they are finished the Jefferson Memorial will be knocked down .Already they want to remove a statue of Washington from a Chi-town park . Maybe they'll use mortars on Mt Rushmore like the Taliban did on the carvings of Budda at Bamiyan. Maybe they will remove half the memorials and statues at Gettysburg . This was all predictable . Long before they started this jihad they were at war against Christian symbols .
    There you go with that false equivalence thinking Tom. You don't believe the locals have control over their own jurisdictions? Even your DUFUS demi god said they had that right, so why are you crying about it now? Have you forgotten our history Tom? That's exactly what we did to the Native Americans, AND the slaves we brought with us, so what makes you think what goes around wouldn't come back around? Confederate symbols are hardly Christian symbols, so why defend them since they represent those that went against our constitutionally established government? They did lose that insurrection if you remember, and despite that it's still illegal to destroy such symbols, and you still have a RIGHT to sue in a court of law if you feel like your rights have been violated.

    So get a lawyer and quit crying. That's how the process your precious founders works, by the rule of law. That's what determines if statues, and flags, and religious symbols, can be kept or moved.
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    #39

    Aug 18, 2017, 06:43 PM
    No wonder you are in a dither of how your own government has preformed.
    No more than in a dither as to how you think your government has performed.
    You mean you guys elect the staffers of your government officials?
    Every ministerial position is held by an elected person, a member of the House or Senate, and those persons can be called to account on any sitting day. If they loose their seat they loose their job. There is a permanent public service which is expected to be apolitical so that the business of government can continue during transition. This means no lobbyist or unelected crony gets appointed to a ministerial position, while ministerial appointments might change, the member remains
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    Aug 19, 2017, 03:39 AM
    Time to purge the name 'New York '. Yes ,New York was named after James Stuart ;the Duke of York who later became King James II of England and James VII of Scotland . He was one of the most successful slave traders in the colonies . During the Civil War many of the working class New Yorkers opposed waging war on the South and considered freed slaves as competitors . There were draft riots in NYC that had to be put down by Federal Troops . Clearly a "great" city in America should not have to live with the stain of being named after a slave trader . Go to work American Taliban and remove this blight and purge the name New York from our history !!

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