In an incredibly vicious and childish doctored video Tweet, moron Trump is shown hitting a golf ball which then strikes Hillary Clinton knocking her to the ground.

THIS IS FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

This idiot is not normal. He is seriously deranged, and obsessed with Hillary and Obama. Kelly, hired to stop Trump's lunacy, is unable to do so.

Unfortunately, this bizarre behavior by Trump is becoming the norm. What would once have been grounds for invoking Article 25, hardly raises an eyebrow anymore.

And Trump's childish, even nasty, example is filtering down into the populace.

Why don't you see this for what it is, a comment on Hilliary and her recent publication?

I see YOU for what YOU are - sticking up for your white supremacist brethren.

Typical leftist, noone else is allowed an opinion, you have to stick a label on me, have you joined Antifa yet or were you a foundation member?

Everyone is allowed an opinion - look around you.

I'm not a leftist, I'm an independent who is embarrassed that Trump is the president of this country. He's a DISGRACE!!!!

Like somebody said in these pages, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. In 1941-1945, this country had over 10,000,000 men and women in uniform fighting as antifas against Fascism. They were supported by another 130,000,000 antifas on the home front.

Any label you have was stuck on by yourself. Do you deny you're a white supremacist?

You don't know the history of antifa, do you? It was a communist organisation. To suggest your nation could be part of it flys in the face of reality and brands you a communist. My country was opposing Naziism from 1939. We had one million in uniform out of population of six million. You had to be dragged kicking and screaming into WWII so don't talk to me about your country opposing Fascism

I can understand you are embarrassed by Trump, were you equally embarrassed by Bill Clinton or that Muslim, Homo trash Obama?

I am a white Christian conservative, this does not make me a white supremacist. You are a Hilliary supporter and you should be embarrassed by her. In my country saying I'm a white Christian conservative places me in the centre but a long way to the left of your Republicans and maybe even your Democrats. Your country is polarised by race and obcessed with it.

So what if Antifa was a communist outfit. So was our WW2 ally, Communist Russia. Of course this country opposed fascism. Who do you think we were fighting?

I was not a bit embarrassed by Bill Clinton or Obama. Obama saved this country from a disastrous financial collapse while the crazy right-wing was promoting "let the market take care of the problem". This nutty capitalism would have people dying of starvation in the 21st century in the richest country in the world.

"Homo, Muslim trash Obama"? No, you're not a white supremacist. You just walk and talk and smell like one.

I'm not embarrassed by Hillary either. She would have made a far, far better president than that clown who got elected because of a quirky law put in over two centuries ago. Without that piece of nonsense, Hillary wins by 3 MILLION votes!!!

As long as there are police unjustly gunning down black men, then we have a lot of work to do in this country. I suggest you do too, after reading your posts re the indigenous peoples in your country. Glass houses - don't throw stones.....................

And in other news... Liberals still are incapable of handling reality and retreat into a fantasy world.

Thing is smoothy you can't tell them anything, it's a mind set

Totally agree.

Unfortunately you right wingnuts believe everything you tell each other, and done nothing but blast liberals, and done more harm than good. Case in point TRUMP!! He should be locked up with hi whole family and cronies.

At least the hurricanes has stopped him from going to Florida and stiffing the American people. Now if we could jut get the overblown bloviating idiot off TV, maybe we can make progress.

Go ahead keep blasting liberals while you use your political power in all 4 houses to do nothing but flap your gums.

You mean like this Russian Meddling thing... that despite a Liberal run witch hunt, hasn't produced one single bit of "evidence" in a year of trying.

While the same people choose to ignore the $2.5 MILLION dollar quid pro quo Hillary got via the Clinton slush fund Called the Clinton Foundation for her part as Sec of State for selling 20% of our Uranium reserves to the same Russians the left has their panties in a knot over?

Yes that was proven as that stuff legally had to be reported, and was.

It's a proven fact that the Russians did try to meddle in American affairs, and the only question is if any Americans were involved. There is enough evidence to send Trump cronies to jail already.

As far as the agreement that sold uranium ore to Russia, the only ones questioning it is you right wing loonies who have little knowledge at all about the process and policies that goes into such transactions.

As usual you have nothing but hot air and uninformed opinion.

I don't know why you are so upset at meddling, After all, the americans meddle in the affairs and elections of other nations every day. It is just that Hilliary is looking for excuses, instead of seeing the real reason, yesterday's men(women) don't win

That is a little harsh tal

You can expect that from me when you have no basis for fact just like the stupid statement you blathered about our interfering in the elections of others, so we should be okay with Putin meddling in ours. What a maroon!

How can you be so utterly ignorant about the cyberwar that's being waged?

I'm not utterly ignorant of anything, Did I say you should be OK with meddling, no, but you should recognise the reality of it. The real question is whether treason has been committed, you haven't found evidence of that, so anything else is just the carping of a defeated candidate and Party, and yes, you do meddle and there is ample evidence of it. Think about the Ukraine as an example of your meddling and the outcome, The Syrian conflict and your meddling, who knows if your meddling didn't produce the result in Venezaela

That's what I am talking about Clete. You speak in such generalities that a reasonable discussion is impossible.

No, that's not the real question at all, as an investigation is for the finding of fact, and the FACT is and the evidence grows that the Russians have meddled deeper than was known before. Fact is Flynn lied and Manafort is a Putin backed international crook. Yeah I would say we better see how deep this goes, and everyone involved wouldn't you?

You're a Dufus as the real Dufus if you didn't know the Ukrainian government was but a puppet of the Kremlin. Yeah Manafort was a part of that too.

The Assad dictatorship and the rebels have been at it for years, going back to Assad's father, and probably would have been defeated if not for Iran and Russia, and GAS!

Well what do you know. Another dictator trying to take power. Is a pattern emerging here? Typical no nothing right wing loony!

Perhaps I've taken a leaf out of your leaders boo


I think it more of the reds under the bed style politics your country is noted for



And the current government isn't a puppet of Washington? Give me a break Tal



I think there is a lot of gas in this debate. Regime change in Syria was the Obama mantra, Trump doesn't appear to be preoccupied by it, and for good reason.



Yes there is one in Venezeala and if your government had taken a sensible attitude to his predecessor things might not have escalated to this point. Those people had a right, they elected a popular leader to deal with the corrupt multinational backed regime, but socialisation of an economy is something that should not be fast tracked

But you wanted facts

In the seventy years since, the CIA has committed a wide variety of misdeeds, crimes, coups, and violence. Here are seven of the worst programs they’ve carried out (that are known to the public):

1. Toppling governments around the world — The CIA is best known for its first coup, Operation Ajax, in 1953, in which it ousted the democratically elected leader of Iran, Mohammed Mossadegh, reinstating the autocratic Shah, who favored western oil interests. That operation, which the CIA now admits to waging with British intelligence, ultimately resulted in the 1979 revolution and subsequent U.S. hostage crisis. Relations between the U.S. and Iran remain strained to this day, aptly described by the CIA-coined term “blowback.”

But the CIA has had a hand in toppling a number of other democratically elected governments, from Guatemala (1954) and the Congo (1960) to the Dominican Republic (1961), South Vietnam (1963), Brazil (1964), and Chile (1973). The CIA has aimed to install leaders who appease American interests, often empowering oppressive, violent dictators. This is only a partial list of countries where the CIA covertly attempted to exploit and manipulate sovereign nations’ governments.

1. Operation Paperclip — In one of the more bizarre CIA plots, the agency and other government departments employed Nazi scientists both within and outside the United States to gain an advantage over the Soviets. As summarized by NPR:

“The aim [of Operation Paperclip] was to find and preserve German weapons, including biological and chemical agents, but American scientific intelligence officers quickly realized the weapons themselves were not enough.
“They decided the United States needed to bring the Nazi scientists themselves to the U.S. Thus began a mission to recruit top Nazi doctors, physicists and chemists — including Wernher von Braun, who went on to design the rockets that took man to the moon.”

1. Operation CHAOS — The FBI is widely known for its COINTELPRO schemes to undermine communist movements in the 1950s and anti-war, civil rights, and black power movements in the 1960s,r

“In October 1967, a handful of CIA analysts joined in the first big Washington march against the war.
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… Eleven CIA officers grew long hair, learned the jargon of the New Left, and went off to infiltrate peace groups in the United States and Europe.”
According to Weiner, “the agency compiled a computer index of 300,000 names of American people and organizations, and extensive files on 7,200 citizens. It began working in secret with police departments all over America.”

1. Infiltrating the media — Over the years, the CIA has successfully gained influence in the news media, as well as popular media like film and television. Its influence over the news began almost immediately after the agency was formed. As Weiner explained, CIA Director Allen Dulles established firm ties with newspapers:

The CIA’s influence had not waned by 1977 when journalist Carl Bernstein reported on publications with CIA agents in their employ, as well as “more than 400 American journalists who in the past twenty‑five years have secretly carried out assignments for the Central Intelligence Agency.”

1. Drug-induced Mind control – In the 1950s, the CIA began experimenting with drugs to determine whether they might be useful in extracting information. As Smithsonian Magazine has noted of the MKUltra project:

“The project, which continued for more than a decade, was originally intended to make sure the United States government kept up with presumed Soviet advances in mind-control technology.
Further:
“The intent of the project was to study ‘the use of biological and chemical materials in altering human behavior,’ according to the official testimony of CIA director Stansfield Turner in 1977. The project was conducted in extreme secrecy, Turner said, because of ethical and legal questions surrounding the program and the negative public response that the CIA anticipated if MKUltra should become public.




Years later, the CIA would be accused of distributing crack-cocaine into poor black communities, though this is currently less substantiated and supported mostly by accounts of those who claim to have been involved.

1. Brutal torture tactics — More recently, the CIA was exposed for sponsoring abusive, disturbing terror tactics against detainees at prisons housing terror suspects. An extensive 2014 Senate report documented agents committing sexual abuse, forcing detainees to stand on broken legs, waterboarding them so severely it sometimes led to convulsions,
2. Arming radicals — The CIA has a long habit of arming radical, extremist groups that view the United States as enemies. In 1979, the CIA set out to support Afghan rebels in their bid to defeat the Soviet occupation of the Middle Eastern country. As Weiner wrote, in 1979, “Prompted by Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Carter signed a covert-action order for the CIA to provide the Afghan rebels with medical aid, money, and propaganda.”

Though some speculate the CIA directly armed Osama bin Laden, that is yet to be fully proven or admitted. Much of those “structures” were provided by the agency. Intentionally or not, the CIA helped fuel the rise of the terror group.


Apparently failing to learn their lesson, the CIA adopted nearly the exact same policy in Syria decades later, arming what they called “moderate rebels” against the Assad regime. Those groups ultimately aligned with al-Qaeda groups. One CIA-backed faction made headlines last year for beheading a child (though President Trump cut off the CIA program in June, the military continues to align with “moderate” groups).
Unsurprisingly, this list is far from complete. The CIA has engaged in a wide variety of extrajudicial practice, and there are likely countless transgressions we have yet to learn about.
As Donald Trump cheers the birthday of an agency he himself once crit

The CIA (or USA if you prefer) has a vested interest in not just letting dictators grab resources and profit while closing trade opportunities (AND profits, okay!) for the USA. More so is the basic FACT that this has been the history of man, and no nation has ever operated in a vacuum without a full blown bloody war. Even you must concede that our "meddling" was done in conjunction with other factions within those nations. Sometimes those factions do gain power, and turn against us, or go on their own, but that's the history of every dominant power going back to Babylonian times, and further. That's the nature of man, and you cannot ignore that this goes on.

To your specific examples though you left out the CONTEXT of that "meddling" or the circumstances surrounding them which was a greater threat to the region, or population, or business of our own interests. I know you have been known to be prejudiced against USA in general since I have been on these boards, but a more objective view might give you a fuller understanding of the scope of our adventures throughout the world.

I will agree our government has collude with many dastardly characters to make money for multinational interest, what nation hasn't? Even your own government will sell dirt and stuff to any nation or customer that can pay for it with little regard how it's used so what's the point of staying on your high horse because we do the same on a much larger global scale? Many spies and factions with agendas out in the world, and we are but one with the greatest tools and resources.

Everybody wants guns! And we got 'em but they aren't free. So let's put this in perspective about our "meddling" and atrocities according to you, in that we are a BIGGER player on the world stage and all us humans are screwed up, and just being an isolated nuclear capable capitalist super power is NOT in our national interest.

Great research and I respect your opinion, and I hope you understand that size does matter, and the USA ain't perfect. Despite all your trepidation and criticism though you Aussies are smart enough to be allies instead of adversaries I see.