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    #21

    May 17, 2017, 09:02 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    kept secret notes of conversations with herr Donald.
    Hello tom:

    In my puny little life, I document stuff.. It's served me well.. When I've had a conversation of some import, I'll write a letter to the person outlining the discussion.. Sometimes people just don't remember the deal they made. My letters serve to remind them..

    So, the fact that people much more important than me do the same thing, is reassuring..

    If it comes down to Trumps tapes, or Comey's memorandum, Comey WINS.. Cause Trump will NEVER release the tapes.. The tapes, after all, are what brought Nixon down..

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    #22

    May 17, 2017, 09:15 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    he kept secret notes of conversations with herr Donald.
    This is what professionals do -- doctors, nurses, other medical workers, lawyers, psychotherapists, businesspeople, insurance adjusters, teachers, librarians, and more.
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    #23

    May 17, 2017, 09:28 AM
    then why was his recall so bad in testimony about Huma Abiden's emails on Weiner's server . He wasn't even close to accurate . Why did he not take notes of Evita's interview with the FBI ?
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    May 17, 2017, 09:48 AM
    When herr Donald share intelligence with the Russians it is terrible . When the emperor did ..... all cool .
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.6ddefb8eb8d8
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    May 17, 2017, 09:56 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    When herr Donald share intelligence with the Russians it is terrible . When the emperor did ..... all cool .
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.6ddefb8eb8d8
    "Moooooommmmm, sure, I took a cookie out of the cookie jar, but Jimmy took THREE!!!!"
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    May 17, 2017, 10:06 AM
    Ex and Tal .I'll take the word of McMaster ;who wrote the definitive book about the need for military leaders to stand up to civilian leadership ,over the word of an FBI boss who's motives have been questioned by both parties and who's memory in testimony under oath is questionable and suspect .

    Cooking Up a Quagmire

    "Moooooommmmm, sure, I took a cookie out of the cookie jar, but Jimmy took THREE!!!!"
    Jimmy took 3 and there was a collective yawn . No one talked of punishment for him.
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    May 17, 2017, 10:15 AM
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    Jimmy took 3 and there was a collective yawn . No one talked of punishment for him.
    You must not have kids. Jimmy is innocent. The cookie thief is lying and trying to divert his mother.
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    May 17, 2017, 10:35 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    When herr Donald share intelligence with the Russians it is terrible . When the emperor did ..... all cool .
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.6ddefb8eb8d8
    By your own article Tom, there were conditions to be met for sharing of information, so what we have is a proposal or negotiation. With Herr Donald that's not what was offered, and McMasters has not elaborated on that, just defended his boss. Now we have Putin offering his transcripts which we wouldn't have to depend on if our own news agencies had been part of the process, like the Russians were.

    Surely you can see that something's wrong with a foreign news organization being in OUR HOUSE when the US news organizations are NOT?
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    #29

    May 17, 2017, 10:45 AM
    Our press is not faithfully objective . As I mentioned earlier . The Compost is owned by Jeff Bezos ,a sworn enemy of Trump.

    "In the context of that discussion, what the president discussed with the foreign minister was wholly appropriate to that conversation and is consistent with the routine sharing of information between the president and any leaders with whom he’s engaged"
    (McMaster)
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    May 17, 2017, 10:54 AM
    That's all cool, but do you mind if I see the replay for myself?

    "Trust but verify"/KING Ronald Reagan
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    May 17, 2017, 01:19 PM
    We're to believe that Comey was so concerned about obstruction of justice that he waited to be fired to leak notes with his suspicions. BTW ,it is a crime itself to not report an obstruction of justice. (18 USC 4 and 28 USC 1361).Comey could face criminal charges and lose his license to practice law. So if we are to believe that herr Donald attempted and obstruction of justice then Comey's smoking gun is pointed right between Comey's eyes.
    Let's go with the Comey defense ..... no intent to obstruct justice by either Trump or Comey . James .......where are those 100,000 Huma emails again ?
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    May 17, 2017, 01:54 PM
    1. By your own article Tom, there were conditions to be met for sharing of information, so what we have is a proposal or negotiation
    Actually no .We told the Russians and Assad where to presumably hit ISIS .But you know and I know that they rarely target ISIS . Instead Assad has systematically targeted civilian populations in rebel control .Yesterday the State Department released previously classified intelligence assessments regarding the actions of the Syrian regime. It is shocking .
    Since 2012, the regime has routinely conducted airstrikes and artillery strikes in dense urban centers, including with barrel bombs, improvised unguided bombs, which are sometimes described as air-dropped IEDs. The Assad regime systemically targeted eastern Aleppo’s hospitals in multiple strikes, killing patients and medical professionals. (Coughs.) Excuse me.
    In addition to airstrikes, the regime continues to systematically abduct and torture civilian detainees, often beating, electrocuting, and raping these victims. A former regime photo-documentarian working under the name Caesar has shared more than 10,000 photos of Assad’s victims with the international community. According to numerous NGOs, the regime has abducted and detained between 65,000 and 117,000 people between 2011 and 2015.
    Moreover, the regime has also authorized the extrajudicial killings of thousands of detainees using mass hangings at the Saydnaya military prison. Saydnaya is a 45-minute drive outside of Damascus and is one of Syria’s largest and most secure prison complexes. Saydnaya is but one of many detention facilities where prisoners are being held and abused. Others include the Mezzeh airport detention facility and Military Security Branches 215, 227, 235, 248, and 291, which are all located throughout Syria.
    The regime holds as many as 70 prisoners in Saydnaya in cells that have a five-person capacity. And according to multiple sources, the regime is responsible for killing as many as 50 detainees per day at Saydnaya. Credible sources have believed that many of the bodies have been disposed in mass graves. We now believe that the Syrian regime has installed a crematorium in the Saydnaya prison complex which could dispose of detainees’ remains with little evidence.
    https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2017/05/270865.htm
    “These atrocities have been carried out seemingly with the unconditional support from Russia and Iran,”;said Stuart Jones, Acting Assistant Secretary for Near Eastern Affairs.

    The emperor said that his decision to not intervene in Syria was his proudest moment .

    Obama understands that the decision he made to step back from air strikes, and to allow the violation of a red line he himself had drawn to go unpunished, will be interrogated mercilessly by historians. But today that decision is a source of deep satisfaction for him.
    “I’m very proud of this moment,” he told me. “The overwhelming weight of conventional wisdom and the machinery of our national-security apparatus had gone fairly far. The perception was that my credibility was at stake, that America’s credibility was at stake. And so for me to press the pause button at that moment, I knew, would cost me politically. And the fact that I was able to pull back from the immediate pressures and think through in my own mind what was in America’s interest, not only with respect to Syria but also with respect to our democracy, was as tough a decision as I’ve made—and I believe ultimately it was the right decision to make.”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...rine/471525/#1

    Comparisons to Bubba failing to prevent the Rwanda genocide are appropriate here . But Bubba to his credit regrets his decision to not intervene . Then emperor is proud of his voting present .
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    #33

    May 17, 2017, 03:08 PM
    Breaking News

    Former FBI Director Robert Mueller appointed special counsel in Russia election probe.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/u...tion.html?_r=0
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    #34

    May 17, 2017, 03:41 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I'll take the word of McMaster ;who wrote the definitive book about the need for military leaders to stand up to civilian leadership
    Hello tom:

    He did write that book.. Was he IN power at the time?? Power is pretty heady stuff.. It's easy to say you'd throw it all away by standing up to the orangeman.. Let's see if he does. He can start anytime. We're waiting..

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    #35

    May 17, 2017, 04:24 PM

    1. Former FBI Director Robert Mueller appointed special counsel in Russia election probe.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/u...tion.html?_r=0
    This should be a counter-intelligence investigation . But whatever . Maybe now we'll find out who criminally unmasked Flynn .Now maybe we'll find out who the leakers are in the White House . Now maybe the whole Comey note will be revealed and not only the part the Slimes thought was relevant .Maybe we will get to see Comey's notes about the Fast and Furious investigation .Maybe we will get to see Comey's notes about the IRS being used as a political tool of the emperor . Maybe we'll see Comey's notes about the Benghazi probe. Maybe we'll get to see Comey's notes on Evita's server .

    The Dems don't know it yet ,but if Mueller is an honest broker (and I believe he is) then there are Obots who are vulnerable .ie John Podesta ,Susan Rice,Evita ,the emperor .
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    #36

    May 17, 2017, 08:51 PM
    All is revealed now Tom it is a Russian plot, Wall Street has dived, so the lustre has gone off Trump, meanwhile while he has to fight off the alligators he cannot be effective in foreign policy
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    #37

    May 18, 2017, 02:36 AM
    That is true .His agenda is in trouble ,and that is all the Dems and establishment Repubics wanted . Yesterday was historic . The 1st time a special prosecutor was appointed before a crime was identified .
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    #38

    May 18, 2017, 06:07 AM
    A crime was committed by Flynn. He took money from a foreign government and that's against the rules and he knew it was. The Orange Dufus should have known it too, (And probably did!) but what does he do? Blame everybody else because he didn't do his homework!
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    May 18, 2017, 10:22 AM
    all I have to say about that is 'the Podesta brothers ' . Bring it on .The way I see it ,the worse (and best )outcome from this will be a Pence presidency.
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    May 18, 2017, 12:31 PM
    That's the spirit Tom, get your popcorn and enjoy the show. Hope they get that Sessions character caught up in this too!

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