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Athos · Jun 17, 2018, 07:07 AM

https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliareinst...m_term=4ldqpho

She is a two-year-old from Honduras.

Her horrible dilemma is the result of the barbaric cruelty of Donald Trump who is using this poor child for his own failed political objective. It does not get more evil than this.

Think of this picture the next time you see that smug bastard spewing his vomitous lies on the TV.

paraclete · Jun 17, 2018, 03:50 PM

So the kid is crying because her mommy got caught doing the wrong thing and your lies don't help

Wondergirl · Jun 17, 2018, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

So the kid is crying because her mommy got caught doing the wrong thing and your lies don't help

No, she DIDN'T get caught doing the wrong thing. She came to this country, just like my ancestors did, seeking asylum from the turmoil and killings in her country.

paraclete · Jun 17, 2018, 05:38 PM

Well maybe however as a asylum seeker you present yourself at a border check point, etc. you don't know her motives only the outcome of her journey

Wondergirl · Jun 17, 2018, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Well maybe however as a asylum seeker you present yourself at a border check point, etc. you don't know her motives only the outcome of her journey

Do you know where the border checkpoints are?

paraclete · Jun 17, 2018, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Do you know where the border checkpoints are?

I don't need to know because I'm not journeying to the US but they are located at various border crossings right along the border

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rder_crossings

No doubt if you follow the major highways you will find one there are also many border patrol internal checkpoints which have to be maintained because people choose to avoid these official border crossings

tomder55 · Jun 17, 2018, 07:15 PM

asylum seekers who come uninvited are invaders .

paraclete · Jun 17, 2018, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

asylum seekers who come uninvited are invaders .

Illegal immigrants are invaders, asylum seekers may have genuine reasons but should follow the accepted protocols

Wondergirl · Jun 17, 2018, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Illegal immigrants are invaders, asylum seekers may have genuine reasons but should follow the accepted protocols

And how will they know what those are when they run from conflict, not knowing English, don't have cellphones and the internet, are leaving everything they know, travel hundreds of miles in unfriendly terrain north to a country that has, as you and I know, always welcomed asylum seekers.

tomder55 · Jun 17, 2018, 07:37 PM

Does your nation allow asylum seekers to waltz through your borders demanding protection and the largess of your taxpayers ? Of course not . If they arrive without a visa are they not subject to mandatory indefinite detention? Isn't that average detention still well over a year with many of them still in detention over 6 years now ? Can their visa be voided if they fail a 'character test ' ? Isn't it true that

a person who arrives without authorization is barred from applying for any sort of visa? Do you not have “Operation Sovereign Borders”, a military response to the movement of unauthorized asylum seekers to Australia?

tomder55 · Jun 17, 2018, 07:48 PM

And how will they know what those are when they run from conflict, not knowing English, don't have cellphones and the internet, are leaving everything they know, travel hundreds of miles in unfriendly terrain north to a country that has, as you and I know, always welcomed asylum seekers.

No we have not always welcomed all asylum seekers . The US for years has had a 'credible fear' process where applicant has to prove they are in danger in their country .

In addition to being vetted using intelligence databases, asylum seekers also submit documentation, including: proof of identity; medical records or death certificates; affidavits from witnesses; and testimonies from medical professionals confirming past torture or trauma. Anyone who is not subject to this process cannot be considered an asylum seeker .

Wondergirl · Jun 17, 2018, 08:25 PM

From a comment on Facebook:

"For the one Bible verse being cited for this policy, there are hundreds more speaking of loving our neighbors, and condemning those who harm children. But if you don't read the Bible, look at the base of the Statue of Liberty."

paraclete · Jun 17, 2018, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Does your nation allow asylum seekers to waltz through your borders demanding protection and the largess of your taxpayers ? Of course not . If they arrive without a visa are they not subject to mandatory indefinite detention? Isn't that average detention still well over a year with many of them still in detention over 6 years now ? Can their visa be voided if they fail a 'character test ' ? Isn't it true that

a person who arrives without authorization is barred from applying for any sort of visa? Do you not have “Operation Sovereign Borders”, a military response to the movement of unauthorized asylum seekers to Australia?

Tom I agree with our policies and by your earlier words I thought you endorsed them. I agree that you cannot allow your nation's borders to be ignored and allow in a plague of locusts.

Yes we require orderly migration which means you rock up at an embassy before you come and obtain a visa in the appropriate category. Don't have the money, sorry, then you probably can't afford to live here

paraclete · Jun 17, 2018, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

From a comment on Facebook:

"For the one Bible verse being cited for this policy, there are hundreds more speaking of loving our neighbors, and condemning those who harm children. But if you don't read the Bible, look at the base of the Statue of Liberty."

What a joke you didn't even allow in the jews when they were in need in the thirties so don't quote a book whose tenets you consider optional

tomder55 · Jun 18, 2018, 07:30 AM

What a joke you didn't even allow in the jews when they were in need in the thirties so don't quote a book whose tenets you consider optional

That is the truth . There have been times of tight control and times of admitting more . The one thing those times have in common was the laws were enforced .

talaniman · Jun 18, 2018, 10:38 AM

You are so proud of enforcing the law, often in cruel inhuman ways but think nothing of sending people back to death and destruction. What's wrong with that picture?

To add such a big deal is made and a fortune spent for solving HALF the problem since more than 40% of illegal immigrants came here legally but never returned when their visas expired and not renewed or updated.

Please spare me the zero tolerance and bible thumping justification for the half a$$ attempt to appear to be so tough on lawbreakers. Terrorizing exhausted desperate men, women and kids is not even a good photo op, let alone a solution to a bigger problem. Selective law enforcement by a guy who breaks the law is NOT impressive except to simpleton sycophants.

tomder55 · Jun 18, 2018, 11:37 AM

simpleton sycophants.

and the only thing you are concerned about is the optics . What did you do for 8 years when the emperor was doing essentially the same thing ? hypocrisy thy name is Democrats .

paraclete · Jun 18, 2018, 03:22 PM

You are so proud of enforcing the law, often in cruel inhuman ways but think nothing of sending people back to death and destruction. What's wrong with that picture?

What you are saying is laws should not be enforced that makes you an anarchist

talaniman · Jun 18, 2018, 03:28 PM

Obama targeted criminals as a priority and kept families together and sent them through the court system for disposition. The Dufus separate's the kids from parents and anyone can see the difference. Sure Obama built his tent cities, but for families, without separating them for the most part. Most were even deported after the court found they were not eligible for asylum. Vastly different than what the Dufus is doing just to get his wall money.

Former first ladies including Melania Trump have spoken out on this IMMORAL process that Sessions has implemented. Your Obama did it argument falls far from truth. You know my main argument about repubs is how they implement and carry out the policies the push.

Originally Posted by paraclete

What you are saying is laws should not be enforced that makes you an anarchist

Hardly and as I told Tom there is a humane way to enforce the law. Of course you don't care about that do you?

tomder55 · Jun 18, 2018, 04:18 PM

Obama targeted criminals as a priority and kept families together and sent them through the court system for disposition.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/18/o...n-centers.html

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/14...ldren-missing/

https://www.thirteen.org/metrofocus/...fights-itself/

Here is a 2014 photo (worth a thousand words ) of how the emperor's policies worked for children .We didn't know about this until a former speech writer for he emperor published them thinking this was happening under Trump and not 2014 .When he discovered his error ,he deleted his tweet.

https://www.azcentral.com/picture-ga...lity/10808687/

From 2011 …..https://www.colorlines.com/articles/...rtation-system

https://www.denverpost.com/2012/08/2...-are-deported/

https://reason.com/blog/2011/11/03/o...on-legacy-4600

Editorial: Democrats are responsible - News-Times: News

I just love the selective outrage here .