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NeedKarma · Apr 19, 2012, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

That's a flat-out lie.

Nope.
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Feel free to point out how many threads were started concerning the moral failure of conservatives.

paraclete · Apr 19, 2012, 06:44 AM

What it has to do with White House and secret service corruption is yet to be seen

excon · Apr 19, 2012, 06:48 AM

Hello:

A cop got arrested here in Seattle. That's Obama's fault, right?

excon

tomder55 · Apr 19, 2012, 06:53 AM

So I'm right... you are going to blame Bush. But the truth is that although the "Bush Energy Dept." had the loans under review... in fact ,they were NOT approved by the "Bush Energy Dept ." .They were held up because the "Bush Energy Dept. " had concerns about the loans .

"The number of issues unresolved makes a recommendation for approval premature at this time. Therefore, the committee, without prejudice, remands the project to the LGPO [Loan Guarantee Program Office] for further development of information,"

http://www.deseretnews.com/media/pdf/599546.pdf
Solyndra's application was approved in March 2009 under the "Obama Energy Dept" . Under circumstances I documented .

speechlesstx · Apr 19, 2012, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Nope.
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Feel free to point out how many threads were started concerning the moral failure of conservatives.

That would be another fallacious argument, an argument from silence. Feel free some day to use actual evidence.

talaniman · Apr 19, 2012, 07:38 AM

No I blame Bush for ruining the global economy, of which he has a long record of screwing up businesses, including the Texas Rangers, but as to Solyndra, it fell to market forces and some collusion by the Chinese government.

Solar 'scandal' upshot: China is dominating global solar market, for better or worse | Grist

U.S. Solar Manufacturers Request Duties on Chinese Imports - Businessweek

As usual its more to the story than you righties care to look at, and jump at whatever backs your side, and ideology. If your mind was open, you would look a lot deeper, and have more facts than just the Fox News version. A narrow view of a bigger picture does not yield all the facts.

Solyndra was but ONE victim of global forces designed to under cut a world market for green/clean energy exportation.

NeedKarma · Apr 19, 2012, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

That would be another fallacious argument, an argument from silence. Feel free some day to use actual evidence.

You have to click on the link to see the evidence. Sorry, I should have made it more clear.

tomder55 · Apr 19, 2012, 07:46 AM

Yeah it is systemic to the whole green tilt at windmills approach to energy . Yesterday we got to see a Space Shuttle piggy back on top of a 747 ,and fly cross country . I assure you that the 747 did not get the power for the lift needed for such a feat using solar panels or windmills. Your green fantasies will never provide more than a supplemental to the main energy sources.

speechlesstx · Apr 19, 2012, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

You have to click on the link to see the evidence. Sorry, I should have made it more clear.

Let's add shifting the burden of proof to your argument from silence.

NeedKarma · Apr 19, 2012, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Yesterday we got to see a Space Shuttle piggy back on top of a 747 ,and fly cross country . I assure you that the 747 did not get the power for the lift needed for such a feat using solar panels or windmills.

Correct, it used a non-renewable, air-polluting energy source which is forever rising in cost.

NeedKarma · Apr 19, 2012, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Let's add shifting the burden of proof to your argument from silence.

Don't even know what means. It makes no sense logically.

talaniman · Apr 19, 2012, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

yeah it is systemic to the whole green tilt at windmills approach to energy . Yesterday we got to see a Space Shuttle piggy back on top of a 747 ,and fly cross country . I assure you that the 747 did not get the power for the lift needed for such a feat using solar panels or windmills. Your green fantasies will never provide more than a supplemental to the main energy sources.

The approach to energy on a global, and local level is all of the above, all we can get. Develop it all. Today's supplement can be tomorrows primary. Drill, baby, drill, is but a part of the equation, a major part, but alternatives must be developed.

Never say never.

tomder55 · Apr 19, 2012, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Correct, it used a non-renewable, air-polluting energy source which is forever rising in cost.

Nor will solar or windmills EVER provide the power necessary to perform such tasks ;or provide power for the modern economy.

NeedKarma · Apr 19, 2012, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

nor will solar or windmills EVER provide the power necessary to perform such tasks ;or provide power for the modern economy.

Probably not for an airplane, no; but for alternate travel methods perhaps. And for other power uses such as commercial/residential uses.

speechlesstx · Apr 19, 2012, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Don't even know what means. It makes no sense logically.

Makes perfect sense. I won't attempt to disprove your argument about what I allegedly haven't said.

NeedKarma · Apr 19, 2012, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Makes perfect sense. I won't attempt to disprove your argument about what I allegedly haven't said.

You mean the threads you started that are 98% about liberals?

speechlesstx · Apr 19, 2012, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

You mean the threads you started that are 98% about liberals?

Um, I'm a conservative and I intend to show my conservative bias. Doh. Still doesn't change the fact that attempting to argue based on what I allegedly have not said is intellectually shallow.

NeedKarma · Apr 19, 2012, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Still doesn't change the fact that attempting to argue based on what I allegedly have not said is intellectually shallow.

In a way you are correct - you do not post threads on the moral failures of conservatives, only of liberals. That's what I said in the beginning: you turn a blind eye to the failings of your kind.
Check and mate.

speechlesstx · Apr 19, 2012, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

In a way you are correct - you do not post threads on the moral failures of conservatives, only of liberals. That's what I said in the beginning: you turn a blind eye to the failings of your kind.
Check and mate.

You need to work on your chess, too. Whether I start threads on failures of conservatives of any kind is irrelevant to whether I condemn their failures, which in fact I do. I don't condone scumbags of any stripe. Check and mate.

NeedKarma · Apr 19, 2012, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Whether or not I start threads on failures of conservatives of any kind is irrelevant to whether or not I condemn their failures,

You just choose not to bring them to light here, right?