LOL, a monster has been created. The dufus is certainly riding high right now.
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LOL, a monster has been created. The dufus is certainly riding high right now.
jlisenbe: Almost as bad as the GLOBAL WARMING arguments: Its GW if it gets to record heat and its GW if it gets to record cold! BRAIN DEAD, SUB-RATIONAL THINKERS, ONE-DIMENSIONAL THINKERS!
We have seen some extreme weather Vac, for whatever the reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
There has always been extreme weather. There will always be extreme weather. The frequency of extreme weather is not increasing.
Glaciers are steadily melting. Put on your hipboots!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
"The melting is speeding up. Glaciers are now losing mass twice as fast as they were in the period from 1901–1950, three times as fast as in the period from 1851–1900, and four times as fast as in the period from 1800–1850, the researchers found."
https://thinkprogress.org/worlds-gla...-3ee73aa09038/
I wonder are glaciers losing mass as fast as 10,000 years ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
And does ANYONE REALLY THINK that we can change nature's own time table or its own kinetics? Aren't we being just a tad bit arrogant? Can we stop earthquakes, tsunamis, tornadoes, droughts, or any other weather pattern. We can stop Coronavirus? Not yet, for sure. We need to get off our high horse and face facts and be HUMBLE, for once and admit what we all know and what many of us have a hard time accepting: WE AREN'T IN CHARGE OF SH&T! And guess what else? We are not here forever, we are all going to die. Change what you can and ACCEPT THAT WHICH YOU CANNOT CHANGE: This is the WISDOM OF THE WORLD. We are no different than any other living thing in nature in terms of adhering to a life cycle, accept it! Accept the Laws Of Nature and Natural Law: It makes life that much easier.
In the pursuit of the tenets of the RELIGION OF GLOBAL WARMING we have forgotten the tenets of the RELIGION OF GOD! In the name of GW, we have imposed restrictions on our industrial capacities that have costs millions of high paying jobs, imposed restrictions on our capacity to compete economically, and given incredible strength to the ChiComs, a sworn enemy of the U.S., and "other" nations: Enough is enough! We look like a bunch of dumbarses!
You had me cheering until you threw human stuff into the equation. In the name of money it's okay to foul the air, land, and air? I can't quite go along with that. That makes us look like dumba$$es as much as trying to make a buck off our "sworn" enemies. Why are they are sworn enemies is my question, and if so why is Big Biz trying to make a buck off them?
What's more farmers ain't planting be it this silly trade war or the creeks and rivers flooding, and every body is getting a viral bug. Triple whammy on us dumb humans, and that's just the bigger stuff. Lot's of other stuff we humans just aren't dealing with very well right now.
Talaniman: Its the "DEATH SPIRAL" we get into when greed takes over and we ALLOW U.S. companies to close down plants in the U.S. and shift production to Red China....the effect of this move is incredibly harmful:
1) It puts Americans out of a job
2) It puts more money into the hands of the ChiComs
3) It transfers TECHNOLOGY to the ChiComs
4) It allows American companies to ESCAPE U.S. EPA regulations by manufacturing in Red China
5) It increases the NET POLLUTION LOAD to the planet because the ChiComs pollution restrictions are not as strident as are the U.S.'s laws
6) It puts any remaining and competing U.S. manufactures at an extreme disadvantage versus the U.S.-ChiCom manufacture because the ROI can't be as great due to U.S. wages being higher and Environmental Control costs being higher
When the above SIX Effects are accounted for, the only recourse left for the U.S. is to reduce FIXED COSTS: 1) lower wages and 2) lower commitment to Environmental Control. Don't you see how this forces us into a horrible position?
Talaniman: You don't see the ChiComs as a sworn enemy? But you see THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION as a sworn enemy? How come Red China is O.K. but Russia is not O.K.? The ChiComs are a much bigger problem than is Russia. You are upset with RUSSIAN MEDDLING but you aren't upset with Red Chinese coercion of the Entertainment Industry, of Google, Of the NBA, of U.S. Manufactures, and of U.S. Politicians? ChiCom influence in the U.S. is WAY, WAY, WAY GREATER than is Russian influence on any level.
Let's start with Ivanka Trump's clothing and accessories companies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Yeah. That will certainly solve the problem.Quote:
Let's start with Ivanka Trump's clothing and accessories companies.
It's a START and will set the example! Sheesh! She's making millions, maybe even billions.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
it's the american way
Did you ask the same of Michelle Obama?Quote:
It's a START and will set the example!
Yup. And everyone else who is using cheap labor in other countries to create products that are sold for high prices in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Do you purchase those products, or do you purchase only those items which are made in America? If you purchase foreign goods, then aren't you contributing to the problem as well?Quote:
Yup. And everyone else who is using cheap labor in other countries to create products that are sold for high prices in the US.
I'm glad to hear that you were even handed enough to be critical of MO. I've never seen you post a critical remark of the Obamas, so perhaps this is a sign of progress.
I buy only American. And I haven't said anything about Obama except only once or twice, and never, until now, about Michelle. (Are you the AMHD perfection monitor, JL?)Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I struggle to believe that you don't buy items not made in America. Even Barbie dolls are made overseas now. The list of items no longer made here is long. But I'm still glad you're making progress on the "equal opportunity criticizer" front! It's encouraging.Quote:
I buy only American. And I haven't said anything about Obama except only once or twice, and never, until now, about Michelle. (Are you the AMHD perfection monitor, JL?)
I rarely buy anything except food and am very careful. I no longer get out to shop, I don't have any grandchildren to spoil with foreign-made toys and clothes, and any extra money goes into my nursing-home savings fund. Sorry you have to "struggle."Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
P.S. I thought you were going to stop with the snarky comments, "But I'm still glad you're making progress on the 'equal opportunity criticizer' front! It's encouraging."
That would make it kind of easy.Quote:
I rarely buy anything except food and am very careful.
it was actually intended to be humorous. Still, I don't recall taking any pledge to not be snarky. Sometimes it's called for.Quote:
P.S. I thought you were going to stop with the snarky comments, "But I'm still glad you're making progress on the 'equal opportunity criticizer' front! It's encouraging."
The Russians are thugs and criminals with Putin as the head surrounded by hand picked Oligarchs that pay Putin to do business in Russia. They invade other countries for profit and power, while they lie cheat and steal. Are they better than the Chinese? Maybe not, but there is a reason Big Biz goes to China and not Russia. If Big Biz was not so greedy they could cut a deal they want, or cut bait! How else do you explain the US/Chinese relationship except that Big Biz wants those paying customers more than they want a fair deal. With Russia it's people can do the stuff that makes us money and are indeed prohibited.Quote:
Talaniman: You don't see the ChiComs as a sworn enemy? But you see THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION as a sworn enemy? How come Red China is O.K. but Russia is not O.K.? The ChiComs are a much bigger problem than is Russia. You are upset with RUSSIAN MEDDLING but you aren't upset with Red Chinese coercion of the Entertainment Industry, of Google, Of the NBA, of U.S. Manufactures, and of U.S. Politicians? ChiCom influence in the U.S. is WAY, WAY, WAY GREATER than is Russian influence on any level.
Now if the Chinese are better at the cyber stuff and so is Russia then that's a problem to be addressed. So why aren't we? Why isn't Big Biz? Is it there fault for exploiting our weaknesses, or our responsibility to tighten up on our back stroke and stop whining about what they are doing to us. If said entities you mention allow themselves to be played for chumps for a few bucks is that the business of government? I don't thinks so.
My point here Vac is it doesn't matter what China and Russia do! What counts is what we do. Greedy cheap bastards running big biz should handle their business better. They influence us because they can.
You brought China in from the cold, you never brought Russia in, although they are logical allies. You still trade with China though they represent the greater threat
Talaniman: I can assure you that I agree with a lot more of what you say than you may at first realize. I really have a ill will toward American companies SELLING OUT in Red China (to hell with the term "INVESTING IN CHINA", they do so at the U.S.'s expense!). I am all for yanking the citizenship of any of these bastards so they CAN'T live in the U.S. (I know that is radical!).
But, remember: Russia, outside of the time right after WWI when we tried to help the "White" Russians defeat the Bolsheviks, have never opening fought and killed Americans but the ChiComs have killed Americans in conflicts.
I don't see much of any hope for good, legitimate relationships with Red China but I do with Russia: The "THUGS" won't be in charge forever in Russia.
Russia has a history of Czars no matter what you call them, it is ingrained in the psyche, looking to a strong leader, Putin is getting older, he won't stay forever but the regime is what it is. It would take another revolution to change itQuote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Paraclete: I sense you have a very astute grasp of Russian history and the Russian dynamic. The U.S. is being "charmed" by the ChiComs while the real potential for us lies in improving the Russian-U.S. relationship and expanding that relationship to include military agreements of mutual defense to isolate the ChiComs.
The US is not charmed by China, but reality is the two economies are intertwined but their militaries are in opposition. The US cannot undo asian history, China was a power in the region in ancient times and it is again, but this time it is an economic power made so by the US, it is also a very populous nation and inevitably it will look to expand. It is surrounded by infertile lands and old rivalies so the US is not threatened unless it intervenes as it is want to doQuote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Paraclete: One huge NOTE: EVERY CHICOM "COMPANY" IS AN EXTENSION OF THE PEOPLES LIBERATION ARMY! Every U.S. Company in China, has an office of a Political Officer (PLA!)...I KNOW THIS INTIMATELY.
But, where does this leave Russian in the U.S.-Red China disgusting orgy?
Opposed to the US because it does business with its inevitable enemy. The three great nations of the world are paranoid, two because they have been invaded many times, the other, well it faced an attack once or twiceQuote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Until the Russian people get tired of Vlad and his restore the USSR to it's former glory, and scarfing up their economy, we are stuck with this dude and Xi for that matter too! Neither is going anyplace fast and we deal with them as we always have, where we can and oppose what we are against just as they do.
There is still a huge world out there to deal with also, some with nukes, some with huge issues. Like we don't have issues too!
The USSR is gone, communism is on the nose, in what world will the USSR be restored? Putin has not shown himself to be rabidly expansionist. Only one country dictates to others what they can or cannot doQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Western allies didn't like Vlad rolling into Crimea, or the Ukraine or interference in Eastern Europe. The Cold War is back, or haven't you noticed.
What did they actually do about it?Quote:
Western allies didn't like Vlad rolling into Crimea, or the Ukraine or interference in Eastern Europe.
The Ukraine is traditionally Russian so they pushed back against western influence. The west is a paper tiger, Europe a spent force, only the US has a real interest in opposing RussiaQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
mgParaclete: There are the filthy Germans, did you forget? They are firebrands who do everything they can to pit the U.S. against Russia. Germany is just waiting to build up their military and become another world power.
Germany is an economic power, but a spent force militarily and as part of the EU there are checks and balances. Under the US umbrella, Germany hasn't had to maintain military mightQuote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
They levied sanctions and kicked them out of the G8.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Thought you knew since it was a BIG deal at the time.
I disagree since the aid the EU has given to Ukraine is rather enormous.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Fair enough. I actually didn't know. I knew there was no military action taken.Quote:
They levied sanctions and kicked them out of the G8.
Thought you knew since it was a BIG deal at the time.
Yes these days aid is used to buy allegiance everyone wants to join the EU until they learn the priceQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I think you're right about that.Quote:
everyone wants to join the EU until they learn the price
We have had our country shattered before when the north and south disagreed on policy and many died. At least we no longer have the bloodshed and found that politics is a safer venue of arguments and conflicts but the EU fails because you have soveriegn countries instead of states, with no overall checks and balances to equalize the playing field. While our states are autonmous and can't tell each other what to do, not so with EU members, where some governments are actually better than others, and seek to exercise more control than other member states, individual sovereignty prevents a central representative authority. There is no profit sharing just debt distribution. Imagine Texas loaning Mississippi a trillion bucks at a moderate interest knowing full well MS. cannot pay any of it. That won't work so we 9The Feds) give Ms. a grant to keep it from just going full bankruptcy and dragging everyone else down with it. Same dynamic in many continents, too many sovereign nations, and not enough states with an overall central governing body. Africa comes to mind, where we have partnerships but no overall governing policy. Not that the USA has it down pat, corruption runs rampant enough to slow any productive progress but we slog along better than most places in the world which may not be the shiny badge of honor the spin says it is.
A lot of work in order to form a MORE perfect union yet to be done.
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