Bobby I'm sure you will 'feel good 'about paying your taxes for poverty relief only to find it syphoned off by the next Kojo Annan in the UN or Robert Mugabe.

ABC News: Will More Foreign Aid End Global Poverty?

EXACTLY!

Liberalism is all about "feeling good", and has nothing to do with reality or facts.

FDR wanted to feel good when he created the welfare state, now we have generations of people without any self respect, sense of accomplishment, or personal responsibility. They look to the government to take care of their every need and have no ability or desire to take care of themselves. Boy, we've really helped them haven't we!

The re-distribution of wealth is a liberal policy based on socialistic ideals that I strongly disagree with, as well as raising our taxes so we can "help" other countries become dependent upon the US Government for their existence.

Sure, lets put them in the same position we have our own people, you got to be kidding me!

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Great insight! Bingo!

Insight? No.

Great Sarcasm? YES!

I could add to his list:

Lets start giving money to the poor people, without any requirement that they do anything to earn it. This way, they will become totally dependent upon us for their survival.

Lets take money from the rich, who have worked hard and earned every cent they have, so we can create this dependent group of people to keep us in control.

Lets work as hard as we can to disarm the public. This way, even when our true motives are finally known, they will be helpless to defend themselves.

I could go on, but I think I've made my point.

Man am I lucky! All in one week I've read implications of Obama being damned for wanting to help the impoverished, that our government should abandon it's people during natural disasters, and now FDR is wrong for helping our nation out of a depression and that farms should go bankrupt and trade schools close. Way to go "McCainites!" Wow!

FDR's initial new deals were great for the country and it was the congress attaching other programs, not the ones needed to help farmers or give our youth a trade, but left alone social security would still be working perfectly today. I'm advocate of the WIC program, but this came later. Other welfare programs are over abused, but that was not FDR.



Franklin D. Roosevelt

"With a strong mandate, FDR moved quickly during the first hundred days of his administration to address the problems created by the Great Depression. Under his leadership, Congress passed a series of landmark bills that created a more active role for the federal government in the economy and in people's lives. During the first hundred days of his administration, Congress passed the Emergency Banking Relief Act, which stabilized the nation's ailing bank and reassured depositors, created the Federal Emergency Relief Administration (FERA), the National Recovery Administration (NRA), the Agricultural Adjustment Administration (AAA), and the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA). Believing that work programs were better than relief, FDR secured passage of legislation establishing the CCC and the Civil Works Administration (replaced in 1935 by the Works Progress Administration or WPA). He appointed Frances Perkins as secretary of labor, the first woman to become a cabinet member. With strong prodding from Eleanor Roosevelt, FDR appointed more women to federal posts than any president before him and made sure that black Americans were included in federal job programs (although they remained, in most cases, segregated). In 1935, Congress passed the Social Security Act, the most important and enduring piece of New Deal legislation.

On March 12, 1933, shortly after his inauguration, FDR gave the first of his famous “fireside chats.” In these informal, but carefully prepared, radio talks, FDR explained his initiatives in the same language he used in speaking with his rural Hyde Park neighbors. As a result, his listeners felt that he was talking directly to them, understood their problems, and was taking action to address their needs. FDR's ability to connect personally with ordinary people, to communicate his optimism, and project an image of vigorous action was probably as important as all the New Deal legislation combined in helping the nation weather the Great Depression.

Although the depression was far from over, New Deal legislation during FDR's first term in banking, housing, unemployment, work relief, and old age pensions gave people hope and a sense of security they had not enjoyed before. In 1936, FDR won reelection in a landslide even bigger than in 1932, carrying every state except Maine and Vermont.

During his first administration, several key pieces of New Deal Legislation, notably the NRA, had been struck down as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. Frustrated that the aging members of the Court were preventing some of his programs from taking effect, and feeling that his 1936 victory gave him an overwhelming mandate for change, FDR proposed expanding the number of justices on the Court. Many Americans, however, saw the "court packing” plan as an assault on one of the nation's sacred institutions. The plan immediately ran into stiff opposition in Congress and was defeated, handing FDR the most embarrassing political setback of his career.

By 1937, the depression had eased somewhat and FDR sought to balance the budget by cutting government spending. But in the fall and winter of 1937-38, conditions worsened again, partly because of these cuts, and FDR had to seek additional funds to meet the crisis. The depression didn't actually end until the beginning of World War II when the defense economy put the unemployed who were not called to military service back to work."

And if that wasn't Beans, Corn Bread and boiled Hog Belly enough fur ye, chew on this fur a spell.

YouTube - Merle Haggard - America First

YouTube - WELFARE CADILLAC by GUY DRAKE

I will not be diverted from the point that regardless about if you think the promise for the comittment is right or if you argue about the amount ;we should not be delivering our foreign aid through the hopelessly corrupt UN .

Another example of how bad it is has been under-reported in recent days. This one involves the "peace-keeping "force in Congo . The BBC reports :

The BBC has learned that the UN ignored or suppressed evidence that its troops in DR Congo gave arms to militias, and smuggled gold and ivory......


Pakistani peacekeepers in the eastern town of Mongbwalu were involved in the illegal trade in gold with the FNI militia, providing them with weapons to guard the perimeter of the mines.
Indian peacekeepers operating around the town of Goma had direct dealings with the militia responsible for the Rwandan genocide, now living in eastern DR Congo.
The Indians traded gold, bought drugs from the militias and flew a UN helicopter into the Virunga National Park, where they exchanged ammunition for ivory.


BBC NEWS | Africa | UN defends DR Congo investigation

Poachers in Congo have slaughtered 14 elephants in Congo's Virunga National Park since the demands from China for ivory have soared and conservationists believe that UN peacekeepers have played a role in the death of those elephants and the ivory trade business .The ivory trade has been banned since 1989.

Instead of holding their peace-keepers accountable the UN is involved in a coverup;much like they did during the Oil-for Food scandal. Last month the head of the UN mission in Congo, Alan Doss, denied any wrongdoing by peacekeepers.

But corruption charges against the UN have more often proven to be true. Many of these cases have involved sexual abuse by UN workers who exploit the vulnerability of the poor and starving .
U.N. Sexual Abuse Alleged in Congo (washingtonpost.com)

"Sexual exploitation and abuse, particularly prostitution of minors, is widespread and long-standing," says a draft of the internal July report, which has not previously been made public. "Moreover, all of the major contingents appear to be implicated."

Now please note ;all this was happening in only one of the countries where the UN has come to the aid of the people. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

The UN has had similar charges in Burundi, Haiti, Liberia and elsewhere .
Some U.N. officials and outside observers say there have been cases of abuse in almost every U.N. mission, including operations in Ivory Coast, Sierra Leone and Kosovo.

"This is a problem in every mission around the world," said Sarah Martin, an expert on the subject at Refugees International who recently conducted investigations into misconduct by U.N. peacekeepers in Haiti and Liberia.

Peacekeepers in several Liberian communities routinely engage in sex with girls, according to an internal U.N. letter obtained by The Washington Post. In the town of Gbarnga, peacekeepers were seen patronizing a club called Little Lagos, "where girls as young as 12 years of age are engaged in prostitution, forced into sex acts and sometimes photographed by U.N. peacekeepers in exchange for $10 or food or other commodities," according to the letter, which a representative of the U.N. Children's Fund (UNICEF) wrote Feb. 8 to the mission's second-ranking official.

The letter also stated that community leaders in the town of Robertsport have accused Namibian peacekeepers there of "using administrative building premises and the surrounding bush to undertake sex acts with girls between the age of 12-17."

U.N. Faces More Accusations of Sexual Misconduct (washingtonpost.com)

In Haiti, the BBC's Mike Williams spoke to a street girl as young as 11 who had reported sexual abuse by peacekeepers outside the gates of the presidential palace in Port-au-Prince.

A 14-year-old described her abduction and rape inside a UN naval base in the country two years ago.

Despite detailed medical and circumstantial evidence, the allegation was dismissed by the UN for lack of evidence - and the alleged attacker returned to his home country.

In May this year, another BBC investigation discovered systematic abuse in Liberia, involving food being given out to teenage refugees in return for sex.

BBC NEWS | Americas | UN troops face child abuse claims

This is your UN funding at work!! The sad part is that these are the least damaging of the UN failures. The worse of them enable dictators like Saddam Hussein and enrich the pockets of the General Secretary and his family and friends. The worse of them end up in the genocides in Rhwanda and the Sudan.

Screw the UN . I will oppose even an additional dollar of funding to an organization I think should be dismantled .

I agree. It has nothing to do with what Bobby said, "Would you really damn a man for wanting to help out with poverty?" Of course we do, but I for one don't see the sense in not only just throwing more money at every problem, but trusting it in the hands of inefficient, ineffective and corrupt governments and organizations. Sure seems like a no-brainer to me.

Wow! "Alleged sex abuse, poachers, and child abuse claims" is the Republicans newest excuse for backing out of commitment to help the impoverished worldwide. Like that's never happened in the US. What a great week!

Bobby, so you don't mind trusting sexual abusers, poachers, and child abusers with impoverished children?

Doesn't seem to bother McCainites in the US, perhaps we can hang our hat on Iraq being the model 100 years from now. Yeah! Let the children starve in the Congo. Why care?

Years of aid giving to Mugabe's Zimbabwe has only resulted in increased poverty and starvation. It is an endless sieve unless the government where the aid is going to is willing to let it go to the people. But you can wash your hands of that reality by opening your wallet to give more to enable the scam .

Then cut your nose off spite your face. I do think our government should keep it obligations for all the good actions, in which by the way GW Bush actually agrees, in helping the impoverished worldwide as opposed to a few incidents in select countries. I doubt you stopped donating to the Catholic church because of small percentage of child molesting priests.

There exists a HUGE difference between "donating" and being "stolen" from.

When I donate, I decide how much and who to give it to.

When the government takes my money, it is legalized theft, period.

Such drama lately - in spite of what you've already been told to the contrary. Of course we care, just as said before. If the aid already given doesn't reach the people, what makes you think it will if we just give more? In Iraq we at least have boots on the ground actively assisting the Iraqis. We're ready to do so in Myanmar, the US Navy is poised to help but the military junta there is too paranoid to even allow air drops, let alone boots on the ground with supplies, equipment and manpower.

I'm all for assistance, but let's find something more effective than what we have now. For example, I support World Vision regularly - 86% of their revenue goes to programs - food, education, agricultural training, crops, medical care, etc. They get outstanding marks for accountability, the aid gets to the people that need the help. Makes more sense than feeding a corrupt, inefficient body that can't keep its own people from abusing the ones they are sent to help.

More and more, I am convinced that "liberalism" is a contagious form of insanity!

Well put! Couldn't agree more.

So let's reiterate: liberals don't really care about the results, and instead want to be rewarded by their intentions. And then the pols get into the public, in the press, and thump their chests about all the aid they've given... blah, blah, blah; just wasted tax dollars, enriching fellow world travelers and grandstanders. You remember the feds handing out debit cards! Yow! Aren't we goooooooooooood!! (Stealing from Ann to pay Allison).

Red herring and excuses. None of our personal charities represent the government's commitments internationally and besides what you declared is used as write off to non-profit organizations. In the last last seven and half years of recent US history, we have all survived the most insane decisions in recent US history and I'm sure the liberals are no worse the challenge.