I of course publicly broke my support for Bush when it came to his immigration policies ;including the 'shamnesty ' Z -Visas . But unlike Obama ;he didn't try to do it unconstitutionally by-passing Congress.

Somebody has been watching too much Fox news, or maybe the remote needs some batteries. Why are we debating FOX fallacies?

?? Do you have something useful to contribute to the debate ?

Hello again, tom:

I guess you missed my post when I compared Obama to Bush regarding how they ENFORCED current immigration law.. I asked, if Obama is deporting more illegal aliens during his first term, than Bush did during his ENTIRE term, WHO, unconstitutionally, bypassed Congress??

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You got your facts wrong again. If you are going to throw rocks, at least be accurate.

We can debate FACTS, not made up FAIRY tales. Hispanics seem to like his political gambit as you call it, and didn't like Romney, or the GOP that much from the get go, before he made this gambit. Its an election year, and two guys are campigning, but we don't hear a peep about the Romney lies to get elected.

What fact do you dispute ? The garbage about Fox you can leave out .

I don't get your point. Bush tried to change the law through Congress . Obama flagrantly by-passed a Congress that had already debated and rejected the provisions that Obama is unconstitutionally taking . I did not dispute either Bush or Obama's power to enforce existing law. The numbers deported are irrelevant . Can you show me a directive by Bush to ICE to ignore the law ? I don't think you can.

He has full authority to prioritize where the resources are focused on in any cabinet under his discretion within the law. When the congress doesn't or can't act, he did.

GOP at a Loss for Message on DREAM Act : Roll Call News

So none of this accusing the guy who is doing something of being wrong when you guys are determined to do NOTHING!

Election year BS? Okay both sides are doing it so don't get pompous. But I will point out that republicans are making good on there promise to make a priority of making this a one turn president, and matter what it takes. Voter suppression, gridlock, filibusters, or anything they can find.

Anything but do there jobs.

I'll state my facts again
Article 1, Sec. 8 states that "Congress shall have the Power To ... establish ...uniform Rule of Naturalization." 'The Dream Act' was not passed by Congress and yet the President decided he'd implement the amnesty provisions . That is not "prioritize where the resources are focused " it is an executive making law ,faithlessly executing his office in contempt of the Constitution.

Congress has 3 times rejected the amnesty that the President is doing . You can't blame them for doing nothing when they stop bad legislation.

That's the problem Tom, bad has nothing to do with it, as they will stop anything, good or bad. So nothing gets done, and the rock throwing continues.

You know and I know that this move is craven election year politiking by the President. The fact that it has 2 year renewal cycle conveniently timed in election years( the carrot ) ;and as EX pointed out ,the President already showed the Hispanic community his heavy hand (the stick) shows how disengenous it really is. I won't bother showing you the Youtube clip of the President telling Hispanics not too long ago that his hands are constitutionally tied from making the very decision he made last week.

Don't bother unless you have the unedited version where he said he WOULD do what he just did. Its at the end, but was conveniently edited.

But of course that's such a small silly fact.

Sad you fell for it.

Still relying on Media Matters for your news, eh? Certainly looks word for word to me.



As for the end of that quote, here you go.

I must have missed the part where he said he would buck the constitution anyway. So did Media Matters.

I wonder how these illegals will prove their qualifications for Obamnnesty(under the age of 30 who were brought to the US before they were 16 years old ,have lived here for at least five continuous years, have no criminal record and either are now attending high school, graduated from high school, earned a GED or served in the military.) Maybe they will produce the stolen or forged id they've been using for 15-30 years ?

Not sure where to put this since Ms. Pelosi seems to be so far out of her mind it just fits everywhere.

First, in her outrage over the Holder contempt vote she said she could have arrested Karl Rove and put him in the House prison at any time back when he was charged with contempt.

And today it's all about voter suppression. I mean seriously, is there any reason too lame to charge Republicans with voter suppression?

Geez Brunhilda, you really don't think maybe the fact that thousands of guns are loose on both sides of the border with no telling how many killed with those weapons - not to mention a dead Border Patrol agent whose family wants and deserves some answers - and your AG has stonewalled and blamed others and retracted testimony just might have a little bit to do with it?

You guys amaze me to no end, he said his policy was a stop gap until the congress get its act together, it's a policy procedure no more, no less, unlike Reagans amnesty. Here is the video. Note the original aired in November 2011, so this isn't anything new.

Jon Stewart Skewers Fox News For Using Edited Obama Video To Criticize Immigration Policy | Mediaite

As for the voter suppression, nice try but republicans in Florida, county officials who nixed that BS as unfair, and its been shown that that despite evidence of wide spread voter fraud, the southern states have ran around the rules again, with there faulty lists, and right around an election they pull there bull to shave as many minorities and CONVICTS as they can

2004 United States election voting controversies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's why they are still under federal authority as are the other states in the south.

Issa already has all the evidence he needs to conclude what happened and after two years he has only called one witness. Election year grandstanding? I think so.

His "retractions" when he got caught in a lie is the only reason that the House has pressed him on the documents . Pelosi is insane . She and the Dems had this fanciful notion that it was Rove who outed Plame.when in fact it was Richard Armitage.

Maybe Pelosi forgets that she would've needed to go through basically the same procedure that the House is doing with Holder (committee vote followed by a floor vote ) to get a contempt charge against him. Then what ? Would she order the Sgt Of Arms of the Capitol police to frog march him into her prison on the hill ? Maybe they would write him a ticket if he double parked.

Sarcasm aside Tom, Issa is a fool who thinks by putting a bad mark on Holder the Republican plan to bring down the president is that much stronger. He doesn't care that Holder back tracked after he got the facts and shut the operation down, and fired people in his present form. That's why he has this 2nd amendment conspiracy theory all over the place today.

Of course you righties don't even question that none of these ATF agents and supervisors were never called to testify. Naw, then we get facts about what's going on, and how this program was started under BUSH, as usual.

We could hold some hearing on voter suppression though, naw repubs never investigate there own, just everybody else. Maybe we needed Issa to kiss Dimons' butt, like the rest of them did on camera, or the oil guys after they screwed up the gulf.

SHAM for the cameras.

“I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this,” “All of us have to do some soul searching to figure out how does something like this happen.”“Obviously, this is a tragedy. I can only imagine what these parents are going through,” “When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids.”“You know, if I had a son, he'd look like (Brian Terry ),” ....“I think they are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves, and we are going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.”

Yeah that's right Jay Carney... the name of the slain agent is Brian Terry... try to remember that the next time you try to tell us the adm is doing all it can to get to the bottom of Fast and Furious.