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excon · Jan 19, 2013, 10:52 AM

Hello again, tom:

Yup. You're a true believer. Everybody but the Tea Party are RINO'S now.

Essentially, you're agreeing with my premise, though. Obama 2.0 is kicking a$$ and taking names. He's DESTROYING the GOP as we know it. Or, they're self destructing, I can't tell.

Of course, that IS what you tried to do to him. Didn't work, and you soooooo believed it would.

excon

tomder55 · Jan 19, 2013, 11:02 AM

1 . Perhaps the Repubics need to be broken up and dissolved like the Whigs of the past.
2. The Dems factions will not hold together much longer ;and this assault on the 2nd amendment will create the beginning fissures in the Zero coalition. By the time of the primaries you will see the discernible cracks with people like VP Biden ,Evita ,and Governor Cuomo claiming the mantle of 'true Democrat'.There will be others as the various special interest groups realize he played them for chumps.

talaniman · Jan 19, 2013, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by samcreed

NO.
He spent 6 trillion dollars, with nothing to show for it.
He has told more lies that any other President in history, and continues with them.
No new taxes in the Middle Class he said, while the ObamaCare has 3.8% new taxes, started Jan. 1, 2013, on all investments, savings, etc, that hardly anyone knows about., cause the average voter NEVER watches any national news!
He jammed through the ObamaCare behind closed doors, with NO Republican votes.
Other private laws behind closed doors, with none.
He promised to be "open" with his Presidency, but you can see he is the most "closed" President in our history.
He is playing the Republicans as "fools" simply because they don't have the nerve to say "NO", and mean it. They agree to the Fiscal Cliff stuff, and wouldn't say no.
Obama lied about the US going into default if it didn't happen. The US draws in enough money to pay off the interest on the National Debt, and Obama says it doesn't....another lie.
He is destroying America, and "die-hard" Democrats can't see it, won't believe it, and it will be too late when they actually admit what's going on.
No one can continue spending more money that they take in; neither you nor I cause we will be out in the cold; just like America is planning on doing under Obama.
The average voter in the US likes being on Gov't welfare, whether they deserve it or not. and with 1 out of 5 now in food stamps, more than in History, the voters are NOT going to throw away their breadwinner, giving stuff to them. Unemployment benefits will be extended for another year, costing no telling how much. Why would the voter want to go back to work when they get it for free, under Obama?
When is enough going to be enough. I know, when Hillary is elected President!

Hey that's what the repubs and Mitt have been saying and they lost. Guess not enough people bought your Kool Aid to stay in business.

QUOTE by tomder,
1 . Perhaps the Repubics need to be broken up and dissolved like the Whigs of the past.

Thats what the TParty is doing all right. Darn good job too!

2. The Dems factions will not hold together much longer ;and this assault on the 2nd amendment will create the beginning fissures in the Zero coalition.

And of course you think those new Independents will run far right don't you? I don't think so.

By the time of the primaries you will see the discernible cracks with people like VP Biden ,Evita ,and Governor Cuomo claiming the mantle of 'true Democrat'.

Makes for a great primary with great candidates, but the real show will be the repubs, Ryan, Rubio, Bush, and Christie.

There will be others as the various special interest groups realize he played them for chumps.

I doubt any of them run far right either. Do you? Lets face it, its the real repubs against the RINO's, Let us know who wins.Never mind,we willknow when Newt make his comeback.

paraclete · Jan 19, 2013, 02:55 PM

So Tal it's Newt V Hilary, that's going to hand the country to eight more years of Democrats, Newt couldn't even get there in a primary against weak candidates, he is yesterday's man. You had better get used to big deficits and business as usual

talaniman · Jan 19, 2013, 03:37 PM

Who care who they nominate. The last primary was a hoot, and I expect the next to be even better. I give Christie and Bush the long odds though.

paraclete · Jan 19, 2013, 04:10 PM

So Tal what are you saying? It doesn't matter who they nominate, they are going down as the democrat dynasty continues or are you saying the Republicans will wise up and run a whole new batch of candidates. Four Years is a long time and even though they have to start planning now you might see another young senator emerge

Wondergirl · Jan 19, 2013, 04:14 PM

That young senator had better start emerging soon!

tomder55 · Jan 19, 2013, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

So Tal what are you saying? it doesn't matter who they nominate, they are going down as the democrat dynasty continues or are you saying the Republicans will wise up and run a whole new batch of candidates. Four Years is a long time and even though they have to start planning now you might see another young senator emerge

The Repubics thought they had a permanent majority after 2004 . Now am I hearing the same arrogance from the Dems ? Lol

talaniman · Jan 19, 2013, 05:05 PM

I am not so naïve to think one election cycle victory will be repeated again, let alone forever, but I am confident cooler reasonable people will vote their own interests, and not the interest of the party. Any party.

I am confident because Americans want their country back, and want it to work for them. Not just the few. And reasonable republicans will run from the crazy far right extremist as a matter of survival.

tomder55 · Jan 19, 2013, 05:24 PM

You aligned yourself with the most extreme elements of the Dems and I don't hear a peep from you except for unconditional loyalty . Reasonable Dems are already recognizing they've been sold a bill of goods. See Ed Koch on Obama's abandonment of Israel . See all the Dem Senators up for reelection in 2014 who are from swing states who will have to answer to their states if they support a radical gun ban. (Mark Begich of Alaska, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Max Baucus of Montana, Mark Pryor of Arkansas, Mark Udall of Colorado, Kay Hagan of North Carolina, Tim Johnson of South Dakota and Mark Warner of Virginia). They will have to break with the President or the Dems will lose their Senate majority .

paraclete · Jan 19, 2013, 05:40 PM

I think you are reading the electorate wrongly, Tom, you see it through traditional eyes, but the groundswell of public opinion is for gun reform and there just may be a plus in it. BO is smart enough to have read public opinion on this issue and he will ride the groundswell and it may even enable him to do something about this fiscal cliff nonsense.

I think your electorate has had enough of stalemate and negativity and progress can be made.

talaniman · Jan 19, 2013, 05:44 PM

It's the game of politics Tom, and you don't change what's winning for you do you? We keep our extremists in check with a big tent, something for every one, even lost RINO's, and "blue dogs".

paraclete · Jan 19, 2013, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Its the game of politics Tom, and you don't change whats winning for you do you? We keep our extremists in check with a big tent, something for every one, even lost RINO's, and "blue dogs".

Do you think it is time for a new party to emerge, the ORADNA's, let's see could we find a better name. In old world parlance it would be liberal, note the small "l". They could have a symbol of a prancing Rino or to be neutral a Giraffe or an Ostrich

talaniman · Jan 19, 2013, 06:08 PM

Not a new party just new leaders with new attitudes.

paraclete · Jan 19, 2013, 06:24 PM

Nice sentiment but falorn hope

talaniman · Jan 19, 2013, 07:23 PM

Hopes got nothing to do with it. You just keep working at it.

paraclete · Jan 20, 2013, 02:09 AM

I think the fast track is revolution, the just keep working at it track is called evolution and we know that takes eons, generations, even millennia so borrow an R from the republicans and get on with it

tomder55 · Jan 20, 2013, 02:58 AM

Jon Huntsman and Joe Manchin are trying to re jig the No Labelers to try to give them some relevance. But they can rebrand all they want to and they would still be 'No Solutions'.
Yes ,I would like it if a Constitutional /classic liberal party would emerge to replace the Repubics in a two party system.

Tuttyd · Jan 20, 2013, 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

I have been very careful differentiating between what I called a true "right winger " ,or conservative from "true Republicans" . I have seen no evidence that Repubics are conservative. Sometimes conservatives influence their platforms .... but when it comes down to it , inside the beltway Repubics are at heart in favor of the same nanny state the Dems favor. The difference is in managing style.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...ut-message.htm

Yes, of course it's all about management style. Management is all about dealing with the problems that present themselves at the time and implementing solutions recommended by the prevailing methodology.

The "true conservatives" won't have a management style? If by some quirk of nature the "true conservatives" got into power what are they going to do? Take us back to the past to save the future?

In light of the world we actually live in, as opposed to some ideological construct of the past; what management strategies are going to be implemented to bridge this chasm?

paraclete · Jan 20, 2013, 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Jon Huntsman and Joe Manchin are trying to re jig the No Labelers to try to give them some relevance. But they can rebrand all they want to and they would still be 'No Solutions'.
Yes ,I would like it if a Constitutional /classic liberal party would emerge to replace the Repubics in a two party system.

So Tom you are one of my people after all, but why can't you have more than two so you can get away from this polarisation. It makes them have to work harder