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Mar 21, 2019, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by talaniman
It's not the system, it's the humans who manage it that causes the issues. My personal observation is other societies and government are rapidly catching up with our ways, and ain't taking our crap and have crap of their own to pursue. More than economics plays into it. To see them as inferior is a big mistake. To see us as superior is a bigger mistake.
We are trying to abandon your ways, I can think of a dozen pieces of legislation that exist to counter balance the rabid advance of capitalism (GREED) and particularly your implementation of it
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Mar 21, 2019, 07:33 PM
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We are trying to abandon your ways, I can think of a dozen pieces of legislation that exist to counter balance the rabid advance of capitalism (GREED) and particularly your implementation of it
I think it would be safe to say that greed drives socialism as much as it drives capitalism. It would also be safe to say that capitalist United States is easily the most generous and charitable country on the earth, so I wouldn't be too quick to think that greed is the only driving force.
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Mar 21, 2019, 08:10 PM
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Power, control, and influence drives the greed.
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Mar 21, 2019, 08:21 PM
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Power, control, and influence drives the greed.
I'd say it's the other way around, but regardless, it's true everywhere.
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Mar 21, 2019, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
It would also be safe to say that capitalist United States is easily the most generous and charitable country on the earth
Bill Gates gives millions from his surplus, and the widow gives a pittance from her substance. Who do you think Jesus would say is the more generous?
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Mar 21, 2019, 08:55 PM
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Bill Gates gives millions from his surplus, and the widow gives a pittance from her substance. Who do you think Jesus would say is the more generous?
The United States.
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Mar 22, 2019, 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The United States.
Wrong.
The comparison was between Bill Gates and the widow, but the United States will do. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of Jesus' attitude toward the rich and the poor. For help in understanding, search for "the widow's mite" in the Gospels.
Giving to those less fortunate from your surplus is not about generosity but is about a repayment of resources that God had originally bestowed on everyone equally and that the rich had usurped.
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Mar 22, 2019, 04:47 AM
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I'm familiar with the widow's mite. Giving to those less fortunate is still a generous thing to do. The point with the widow's mite was that her giving had greater value before God since it came at a greater cost to her. Now if you can figure out some way to grade a nation's giving based on that standard, then go for it. The truth remains that the United States, far and away, gives more foreign aid than any other country. That was my reference. Let there be a natural disaster somewhere and the most generous country, in terms of amount given, will be the United States.
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Mar 22, 2019, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I'm familiar with the widow's mite. Giving to those less fortunate is still a generous thing to do. The point with the widow's mite was that her giving had greater value before God since it came at a greater cost to her. Now if you can figure out some way to grade a nation's giving based on that standard, then go for it. The truth remains that the United States, far and away, gives more foreign aid than any other country. That was my reference. Let there be a natural disaster somewhere and the most generous country, in terms of amount given, will be the United States.
The reality is no. when the Tsunami hit my nation gave a billion dollars to Indonesia. Per head of population that was a massive give and far exceeded anything the US did, when you nation exceeds that standard you can crow about your generosity and can you recall Haiti how much of your promised aid actually got there and shall we speak of your own dear Peuto Rico who you so generously helped into poverty after the hurricane
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Mar 22, 2019, 06:13 AM
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The reality is no. when the Tsunami hit my nation gave a billion dollars to Indonesia. Per head of population that was a massive give and far exceeded anything the US did, when you nation exceeds that standard you can crow about your generosity and can you recall Haiti how much of your promised aid actually got there and shall we speak of your own dear Peuto Rico who you so generously helped into poverty after the hurricane
So let's see. You gave a bil to Indonesia, which is wonderful. We are committed to 16 bil to Puerto Rico alone and have given billions more to Haiti. So yeah, by your standard of 1 billion I would say we are generously helping them. Both countries are poor and have been poor since their inception. They would be FAR worse off if not for American aid, and that does not mention the abundant aid given from private American sources.
So no, I'm not going to jump aboard your "Bash America" train. If not for this country, most of the world would be speaking German, Russian, or Japanese by now, and yet I've learned that most non-Americans, like you, can hardly wait to say something derogatory about the United States. Shame. You'll notice we don't waste our time being critical of your country. Worse, you didn't even bother to spend fifteen minutes on a search engine to find out your allegation was wrong.
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Mar 22, 2019, 02:04 PM
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Why research what I have searched before, I have been here a long time talking about these issues. I understand your pride in what your fathers did, but that is not who leads you now, and don't talk to me about commitments, talk to me about real action. Stop interferring in other nations
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Mar 22, 2019, 03:51 PM
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Why research what I have searched before, I have been here a long time talking about these issues. I understand your pride in what your fathers did, but that is not who leads you now, and don't talk to me about commitments, talk to me about real action. Stop interferring in other nations
I'd be happy to stop interfering with other nations. We could stop our 25% funding of the United Nations, for instance. We could let the Middle East go up in smoke. We could stop funding Israel and let them be massacred by the Arabs. We could have let the Japanese have Australia and then we wouldn't have to worry about the non-stop criticism of people who could show at least a small amount of gratitude.
Tal, it will be interesting to see what Mueller came up with. Do you think the report will ever see the light of day?
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Mar 22, 2019, 04:17 PM
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tal, it will be interesting to see what mueller came up with
nada zippo
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Mar 22, 2019, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I'd be happy to stop interfering with other nations. We could stop our 25% funding of the United Nations, for instance. We could let the Middle East go up in smoke. We could stop funding Israel and let them be massacred by the Arabs. We could have let the Japanese have Australia and then we wouldn't have to worry about the non-stop criticism of people who could show at least a small amount of gratitude.
Tal, it will be interesting to see what Mueller came up with. Do you think the report will ever see the light of day?
Oh how you love the myths of the military industrial complex. Let us take these one by one
You fund the UN so you can influence world affairs to your own end, yes we all should stop funding the UN and its socialist NWO agenda
It is you who sent the middle east up in smoke, your interference in the region is the source of continual war. Who is it who had a plan to conquer Irag, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Iran. Should I go on?
Israel will not be massacred by the Arabs, that is zionist paranoia.
The Japanese did not want Australia, they knew it to be a bridge too far, all they really wanted was the oil fields of Indonesia because you denied them oil supplies. You are the victims of your own foreign policy and you cannot see it. You wanted a base of operations against the japanese and Australia was convenient, nothing more
You want gratitude because you won the second world war, huge hand clap, but you forgot to applaud those who helped, who died in millions so you could march in at the end, who were fighting and dying for years before you got involved and say look what we have done. Your victory over Japan was resounding, it is still resounding in the atomic weapons you seek to control. The victory in Europe was Russian, your opening of the second front made that possible.
You are like an army of soldier ants, forever moving, consuming
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Mar 22, 2019, 05:00 PM
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Revisionist history. Convenient.
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Mar 22, 2019, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Revisionist history. Convenient.
No, truth, without the american razz-a-ma-taz and look how good we are B/S
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Mar 23, 2019, 01:11 AM
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Mar 23, 2019, 01:34 AM
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Zippo
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Mar 23, 2019, 03:15 AM
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Yep. They'll be great mourning in Dem land for the next several days. Not only is collusion not a crime, but there was evidently no collusion to begin with. The Mueller probe was a high dollar, liberal attempt to bring Trump down and it apparently failed miserably. Now to see if Trump can exercise the self discipline needed to move on victoriously from this.
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