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    #481

    Sep 1, 2018, 05:48 AM
    helping the Ukrainian oligarch who had funded that party illegally purchase four tickets to Mr. Trump’s inauguration.
    Well, if that's the best you've got, then you basically have nothing.
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    #482

    Sep 1, 2018, 06:17 AM
    failing to register as a foreign agent for a Russia-aligned Ukrainian political party
    are they talking about the Podesta Group again ?
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    #483

    Sep 1, 2018, 06:58 AM
    No, I'm referencing the current crew of dastards the Mueller Crew and his associates are bringing to court and exposing the Russian Connection which beats me how you can deny. Nobody knows where he will end up, but he is doing the job he is tasked with, investigating Russian campaign interference, and getting the rats along the way.

    Will you get your wish and the dems and Clintons get caught in his net? We'll see.
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    #484

    Sep 1, 2018, 08:49 AM
    helping the Ukrainian oligarch who had funded that party illegally purchase four tickets to Mr. Trump’s inauguration.

    BTW, and I ask this sincerely, why would that have been illegal? I would think anyone who wanted to could go to the inaugural so long as they had a ticket.

    Might add that I was so hoping that Trump would have stepped forward and said, "There will be no inaugural balls. There is too much work to do, and we don't need to waste that kind of money." Sadly, he did just like Mr. Obama and others before him.
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    #485

    Sep 1, 2018, 09:13 AM
    From what I gleaned:

    Sam Patten, pleaded guilty to failing to register as a foreign agent for a Russia-aligned Ukrainian political party, and to helping the Ukrainian oligarch who had funded that party illegally purchase four tickets to Mr. Trump’s inauguration.

    That makes any actions he took on behalf of that foreign government illegal. I honestly don't know if had he registered if his actions would have been lawful. Still looking.


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    Sep 1, 2018, 09:24 AM
    "Patten’s plea agreement also included the suggestion that the Trump Inaugural Committee improperly accepted funds from a foreigner. Patten admitted that he illegally helped a Ukrainian oligarch buy a ticket to Trump’s swearing-in through a straw-man donor, though as part of his cooperation agreement he wasn’t charged."

    So someone goes to the Trump campaign and buys a ticket to the swearing in ceremony, and then sells the ticket to a foreign government official. Well, that is about as small potatoes as it can get. Hopefully someone in our government could have enough sense to see that this is really not worth getting upset about. Even if he bought fifty tickets to resell, that would still be on him and not on the Trump campaign unless they knowingly cooperated. And even then, it's still garbage. It just shows how ridiculous our system of laws has become. I would think any reasonable person (not a Trump-hating democrat) would agree that this is just plain silly. Give someone a 500 dollar fine and move on to something that might actually be important. If it wasn't for the political content, we wouldn't even know about it.

    Meanwhile, hundreds continued to be murdered in Chicago every year. The great error of our country seems to be that we cannot figure out what is really important.
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    Sep 1, 2018, 11:59 AM
    What you so easily dismiss as a small thing may be just the tip of the iceberg to money laundering, and influence peddling, and you do know the inauguration committee is under investigation to account for the money raised and spent don't you? Of course you don't. Guys like Patten, Manafort, and Cohen spend their lives funneling money from the clients to other places for their own enrichment. If it was that small the culprits would pay the fine and keep wheeling and dealing and not plead guilty and cooperate with the law for a better sentence now wouldn't they?

    Russians messing with your country, and it's government isn't important to you?

    Haven't you ever heard the old saying if you see one roach, there may be a lot more you don't see?
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    Sep 1, 2018, 12:14 PM
    What you so easily dismiss as a small thing may be just the tip of the iceberg to money laundering, and influence peddling, and you do know the inauguration committee is under investigation to account for the money raised and spent don't you? Of course you don't. Guys like Patten, Manafort, and Cohen spend their lives funneling money from the clients to other places for their own enrichment. If it was that small the culprits would pay the fine and keep wheeling and dealing and not plead guilty and cooperate with the law for a better sentence now wouldn't they?
    Thank goodness the democrats never do any of those things. At any rate, right now it is a maybe they possibly might have perhaps done something of a completely unspecified nature wrong. Other than, of course, buying a ticket to the swearing in.

    Russians messing with your country, and it's government isn't important to you?
    Ukraine

    Haven't you ever heard the old saying if you see one roach, there may be a lot more you don't see?
    Says the man who admits, with no hint of discomfort, that the Clintons have been under investigation for 30 years. They without question broke the law on more than one occasion. Again...politics. It's kind of sad to see how liberals are so lusting for blood with Trump. Man, talk about hate. They display it openly and proudly. You want to identify the hate speech crowd in America? Look at the left. Now Trump, with his big mouth and ultra sensitive nature doesn't help matters, but he's outnumbered about 10 million to one.
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    Sep 1, 2018, 02:09 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Thank goodness the democrats never do any of those things. At any rate, right now it is a maybe they possibly might have perhaps done something of a completely unspecified nature wrong. Other than, of course, buying a ticket to the swearing in.
    No maybe to it for some of these guys since they pleaded guilty. I mean DUH!

    Ukraine
    Lots of Russians in Ukraine trying to get control back... DUH!

    Says the man who admits, with no hint of discomfort, that the Clintons have been under investigation for 30 years. They without question broke the law on more than one occasion. Again...politics. It's kind of sad to see how liberals are so lusting for blood with Trump. Man, talk about hate. They display it openly and proudly. You want to identify the hate speech crowd in America? Look at the left. Now Trump, with his big mouth and ultra sensitive nature doesn't help matters, but he's outnumbered about 10 million to one.
    Geez JL, 30 years of allegations, investigations, rumors and conspiracy theories and you guys have ZIP! Nada! Look whose been crying wolf for 30 years and all of a sudden expect to be believed. That in my book make you crazy or incompetent and you better hope Mueller saves YOUR arses, but it may cost the dufus his.

    Hope you don't mind if I dismiss most of your covering the Dufus's butt and his sensitive heart and all as loony talk. Unless I missed the sarcasm font,
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    #490

    Sep 1, 2018, 02:39 PM
    No maybe to it for some of these guys since they pleaded guilty. I mean DUH!
    "No maybe to it for some" What?? At any rate, nothing involving the Trump campaign. (Started to say "DUH", but decided I don't want to sink to your level.)

    Lots of Russians in Ukraine trying to get control back... DUH!
    Again, nothing to do with the Trump campaign. (same as above)

    Geez JL, 30 years of allegations, investigations, rumors and conspiracy theories and you guys have ZIP! Nada! Look whose been crying wolf for 30 years and all of a sudden expect to be believed. That in my book make you crazy or incompetent and you better hope Mueller saves YOUR arses, but it may cost the dufus his.
    I really don't care if you believe this or not. Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton were both convicted of the same number of crimes as Trump, which is ZERO. The difference is, Bill lied in grand jury testimony and that is widely admitted. HC was investigated by the FBI, found guilty of misconduct, and then a now widely discredited FBI director chose not to prosecute. Now in the case of Trump, the evidence clearly shows he did... beat the socks off HC in the election! And you just can't get over it. But no evidence of criminal activity is there. Now it might show up. If it does, maybe Trump can get a softie in the FBI to let him off the hook like HC did.

    And none of that included the 3 women (Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broaddrick, and Paula Jones) who accused Clinton of everything from sexual harassment to rape. But of course liberals only believe women when they accuse conservatives. How about you? You believe those 3 women?
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    Sep 1, 2018, 02:56 PM
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    #492

    Sep 10, 2018, 08:36 AM
    The got him ! Papadopoulos ;14 days in the slammer !! What did he do again ? Jay walk ?

    This is a joke . To refresh your memory . The regulations under which Rosenstein made the appointment require (a) a factual basis for believing that a federal crime worthy of investigation or prosecution has been committed; (b) a conflict of interest so significant that the Justice Department is unable to investigate this suspected crime in the normal course; and (c) an articulation of the factual basis for a criminal investigation i.e., the investigation of specified federal crimes.

    Mueller was appointed May 17.2017 by Rod Rosenstein, and we STILL do not have any explanation of the crime being investigated . Discovering an alleged crime AFTER the Special Council is appointed is like Alice in Wonderland's Queen of Hearts announcing the verdict before the charges . There is ONLY one thing that would justify the appointment of a special counsel: concrete evidence that Donald Trump committed a crime in connection with Russia’s election interference. IF there is that evidence ,it has never been revealed to the public. Instead the investigation nibbles around the edges putting a Trump operative in jail who was so insignificant to the campaign that no one in the inner circle knew who he was .
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    #493

    Sep 10, 2018, 01:43 PM
    The got him ! Papadopoulos ;14 days in the slammer !! What did he do again ? Jay walk ?
    He lied to the FBI, pleaded guilty, but you knew that already. No need to refresh my memory, but to refresh YOURS, we have Flynn and Gates pleading guilty, and Manafort convicted of all kinds of white collar crimes and facing more charges in another trial. Not to mention the Russians he indicted, though Vlad will never give them up.


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    #494

    Sep 12, 2018, 10:34 AM
    and still no underlying crime to justify the appointment of a Special Council .

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    #495

    Sep 12, 2018, 11:23 AM
    Must I remind you that this is Current Events not Old News Forum?
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    #496

    Sep 12, 2018, 03:03 PM
    I love that pic! So true, and everyone admits she did it other than one sycophant on this board. Sad! Sorry. Just had to make the sycophant remark...somewhat in jest.
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    Sep 14, 2018, 04:06 PM
    Breaking News!
    MUELLER FLIPS MANAFORT!

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    #498

    Sep 14, 2018, 04:25 PM
    Nothing Gates hasn't already told Mueller . Manafort worked for maybe a month for Trump and Mueller had to dig deep into Manafort's past to find wrong doing.
    Manafort pled guilty to crimes associated with his lobbying business with Ukraine before he joined the Trump Campaign and witness tampering after he left the Trump Campaign
    If I was facing 80 years at his age I'd tell Mueller anything he wants to hear .

    Hey did you read today about JFKerry colluding with the Iranians in direct violation of the Logan Act ?
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    #499

    Sep 15, 2018, 12:06 AM
    Why doesn't he just play ring around the rosey
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    Sep 15, 2018, 07:56 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Nothing Gates hasn't already told Mueller . Manafort worked for maybe a month for Trump and Mueller had to dig deep into Manafort's past to find wrong doing.
    Manafort pled guilty to crimes associated with his lobbying business with Ukraine before he joined the Trump Campaign and witness tampering after he left the Trump Campaign
    If I was facing 80 years at his age I'd tell Mueller anything he wants to hear .

    Hey did you read today about JFKerry colluding with the Iranians in direct violation of the Logan Act ?
    We don't know what Mueller knows, but we do know that the savvy Manafort had Russians he was reporting to and getting paid by while he worked for the Dufus, and was indebt to them. That alone bears greater scrutiny don't you think? For fact he pleaded guilty to past actions and current ones as well as when he was the Dufus campaign manager, as charged in the indictment. He gets a pass for any other wrongdoing that comes with his cooperation into anything Mueller asks him about.

    Would YOU want to be someone who had ever done business with this person? I bet those that ever did are shaking in their boots.

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