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jlisenbe · Aug 30, 2018, 03:18 PM

If I had to hold my nose I wouldn't have voted for Hillary.

You need to see a nose doctor at the earliest possible moment. She smelled to the high heavens.

https://www.politifact.com/personali...yruling/false/

thousands of Americans have died and thousands more still suffer while the Dufus pats himself on the back

You can be sure that if that was a true statement, the left wing press would be all over it. I was referring to 4 REAL Americans as opposed to your fantasy.

talaniman · Aug 30, 2018, 03:23 PM

DUDE, Puerto Ricans ARE Americans! Their dilemma has been all over the news.

jlisenbe · Aug 30, 2018, 07:10 PM

DUDE, I know this is going to be a shock to you, but President Trump was not responsible for Hurricane Georges.

Besides, that report of several thousand Puerto Ricans being dead from the hurricane is a prime example of modern math. The way they arrived at the number is questionable in the extreme.

tomder55 · Aug 30, 2018, 07:55 PM

they remember how much hay they made blaming Bush for Katrina .

paraclete · Aug 30, 2018, 08:11 PM

Whether 4 people died in Puerto Rico or 3,000 the real fact is the response was inadequate. The president may not be responsible for the deaths but he is responsible for the response. You can argue all day about mortality statistics and it helps no one

jlisenbe · Aug 30, 2018, 08:36 PM

I just hope you said the same thing about Benghazi, which was really cut and dried and 100% the responsibility of Obama and Clinton, but I suspect you didn't. It's only wrong when it happens with Trump. That's my primary source of disagreement with you.

Now it might be that the response could have been significantly better, though I don't think anyone can be sure of that, but even that would not have helped much with the death toll. It would not have stopped the winds and destruction.

talaniman · Aug 30, 2018, 09:16 PM

It would probably help if you guys would stop taking victory laps after your photo shoots and declaring mission accomplished, or "we done a good job".

jlisenbe · Aug 30, 2018, 09:33 PM

It would probably help if you guys would stop taking victory laps after your photo shoots and declaring mission accomplished, or "we done a good job".

It will be easy for me to stop since I never started.

talaniman · Aug 30, 2018, 09:39 PM

Tell that to the guy you held your nose and voted for.

paraclete · Aug 30, 2018, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I just hope you said the same thing about Benghazi, which was really cut and dried and 100% the responsibility of Obama and Clinton, but I suspect you didn't. It's only wrong when it happens with Trump. That's my primary source of disagreement with you.

Now it might be that the response could have been significantly better, though I don't think anyone can be sure of that, but even that would not have helped much with the death toll. It would not have stopped the winds and destruction.

Benghazi was not a natural disaster, it was an Obama/HC stuff up so we should not be discussing these Events as equal. Benghazi cost a few lives which may have been preventable. When you talk about incompetence you should separate lack of compassion from racism

jlisenbe · Aug 31, 2018, 03:37 AM

Benghazi was not a natural disaster... we should not be discussing these Events as equal...Benghazi cost a few lives which may have been preventable.

Exactly. The events are not equal at all, since unlike a natural disaster, Benghazi was completely preventable, and liberals sat on their content rear ends and said nothing because that was politically expedient.

You might have grounds to challenge his competence, but the racism comment is just another baseless charge from liberals who can think of nothing else to say. When you throw that charge out just because you feel like it, it loses its meaning and just becomes another tired and worn out expression, much like the boy who cried wolf. Sooner or later you need to find a real racist to complain about.

"Benghazi cost a few lives." So says the person who was not amongst the dead.

jlisenbe · Aug 31, 2018, 03:46 AM

"Tell that to the guy you held your nose and voted for."

Next time he calls I'll be sure to bring it up.

talaniman · Aug 31, 2018, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe;

Exactly. The events are not equal at all, since unlike a natural disaster, Benghazi was completely preventable, and liberals sat on their content rear ends and said nothing because that was politically expedient.

EVERYBODY was just as horrified as you with the loss of life at Benghazi, and to suggest otherwise is total ignorance.

You might have grounds to challenge his competence, but the racism comment is just another baseless charge from liberals who can think of nothing else to say. When you throw that charge out just because you feel like it, it loses its meaning and just becomes another tired and worn out expression, much like the boy who cried wolf. Sooner or later you need to find a real racist to complain about.

So racism doesn't exist, The Dufus never was a racist and isn't one now! That's your position? The Dufus is a real racist we complain about among other dastardly traits that may take a court of law to deal with. Not unlike his past brushes in court that found he willfully discriminated in his leasing practices, or bilked people out of their life savings.

"Benghazi cost a few lives." So says the person who was not amongst the dead.

Neither were you, but you have been obsessing over one event for 6 years, ignoring the many investigations findings, even the one Trey Gowdy held for years, until he came up with nothing new. You're stuck if that's ALWAYS your fallback reason for EVERYTHING.

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

"Tell that to the guy you held your nose and voted for."

Next time he calls I'll be sure to bring it up.

Don't hold your breath... I sure ain't!

paraclete · Aug 31, 2018, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Exactly. The events are not equal at all, since unlike a natural disaster, Benghazi was completely preventable, and liberals sat on their content rear ends and said nothing because that was politically expedient.

You might have grounds to challenge his competence, but the racism comment is just another baseless charge from liberals who can think of nothing else to say. When you throw that charge out just because you feel like it, it loses its meaning and just becomes another tired and worn out expression, much like the boy who cried wolf. Sooner or later you need to find a real racist to complain about.

"Benghazi cost a few lives." So says the person who was not amongst the dead.

Don't take my words out of context. What HC did at Benghazi was inexcusable, but then what Trump did at Peurto Rico was also inexcusable.. No I wasn't at Benghazi, I'm not given to acts of adventurism, and someone needs to speak for the dead, which I don't see you doing, you are just being opportunist

Trump is racist or at least his acts are.

jlisenbe · Aug 31, 2018, 07:03 AM

I'm not given to acts of adventurism, and someone needs to speak for the dead, which I don't see you doing, you are just being opportunist

When you speak of the dead, you are a noble person. When I speak of the dead, I'm an opportunist. How convenient for you.

Trump did not kill anyone in Puerto Rico. A hurricane did that.

What racist acts are you referring to?

jlisenbe · Aug 31, 2018, 07:09 AM

EVERYBODY was just as horrified as you with the loss of life at Benghazi, and to suggest otherwise is total ignorance.

The deaths were indeed horrific, but that's not the point, and you should know it. We were horrified by the utter lack of preparation by HC, by her total inaction during the event, and by her steadfast lying (aided and abetted by Mr. Obama) for months afterwards as to the cause. You are perfectly fine with all of that, since you said you voted for her without holding your nose, and that is sad.

So we are still back to the old double standard. I'm just waiting for you to say that HC completely bungled the whole thing and, as a result, people died that should not have died. That's the accusation you are making about Trump and PR. Maybe that's true, but you can't have it both ways. So I'll continue to bring it up until we can treat HC and Trump in an equal fashion.

talaniman · Aug 31, 2018, 08:34 AM

They were equals during the campaign, that is no longer the case as The Dufus will be judged as the CIC NOW, and as such will bear greater scrutiny, than a SOS ever could. Since you obviously cannot grasp the complexity and nuance of my position, you would do well to stick with what you know best and that's chunking rocks for the sake of throwing rocks at the ghosts of the past while ignoring the reality of today, but I respect your honest hate of liberals, no biggie to me.

I get you have intense feelings.

jlisenbe · Aug 31, 2018, 08:57 AM

Since you obviously cannot grasp the complexity and nuance of my position,

Your position is the essence of simplicity. One standard for republicans, and a far easier and more lenient one for democrats. That's the difficulty of this, that you cannot bring yourself to admit it, evidently not even to yourself. I hate no one, and certainly not liberals. You will note that you are the user of the derisive word "dufus", not me. But I do despise double standards. No doubt, being human, I employ them sometimes myself, but even then it is a despicable practice.

tomder55 · Aug 31, 2018, 10:35 AM

Bruce Ohr ,in testimony to Congress this week told them that he warned the FBI that Christopher Steele was an unreliable source .He was ignored ,and the FBI used the dossier as evidence to obtain FISA Warrants . He made clear that these conversations included all the heavyweights in the FBI investigation,Peter Strzok, ,Lisa Page, and Andrew McCabe. So senior people were very aware of Steele's role, information and conflict of interest (Ohr told Congressional investigators that Steele had a hatred of Trump that made his work suspect) . All these events came AFTER the FBI terminated their relationship with Steele due to him being unreliable .The FBI made no mention of Ohr's warning in the application, instead characterizing Steele as a “reliable” source. Nor does the application note that Ohr's wife was contributing to the dossier and benefiting financially from the dossier .

talaniman · Sep 1, 2018, 04:59 AM

Breaking News,

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/31/u...-manafort.html

WASHINGTON — An American lobbyist on Friday admitted brokering access to President Trump’s inauguration for a pro-Russian Ukrainian oligarch in a scheme that highlighted the rush by foreign interests to influence the new administration.As part of a plea agreement under which he pledged to cooperate with federal prosecutors, the lobbyist, Sam Patten, pleaded guilty to failing to register as a foreign agent for a Russia-aligned Ukrainian political party, and to helping the Ukrainian oligarch who had funded that party illegally purchase four tickets to Mr. Trump’s inauguration.