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tomder55 · May 10, 2018, 05:26 PM

Israel attacked Iranian assets that are mobilizing on the Israeli border, and launched missiles inside Israel . But I'm the one who is being accused of peddling false news.

tomder55 · May 10, 2018, 05:32 PM

You miss the point. I DO want conversation, but not with the likes of you

That's fine with me . I have no interest in having a debate with someone who's opening comment is a personal attack . Consider the conversation over .

Athos · May 10, 2018, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

That's fine with me . I have no interest in having a debate with someone who's opening comment is a personal attack . Consider the conversation over .

The conversation was over a long time ago when your side elected to routinely employ lies and to follow the advice of Nazi Minister of Propaganda Josef Goebbels to "Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty".

paraclete · May 10, 2018, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Athos

The conversation was over a long time ago when your side elected to routinely employ lies and to follow the advice of Nazi Minister of Propaganda Josef Goebbels to "Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty".

You have missed the point that politics is about lies to protect your side of the debate. The left lies all the time, the truth is not in them. This si not a defence of Trump who also lies

talaniman · May 11, 2018, 02:28 PM

Right wingers never lie, they really believe the loony stuff they say! Thanks for proving my point Clete. We agree about Trump at least.

paraclete · May 11, 2018, 03:27 PM

Yes but do we agree about his predecessor? Or the one before that?

talaniman · May 12, 2018, 04:43 AM

We have agreed on them at times, sometimes NOT.

paraclete · May 12, 2018, 06:01 AM

On what occasion did you not agree?

tomder55 · May 13, 2018, 01:33 AM

When Trump in 2020 puts a FBI mole into the Democrat nominee's campaign ;and used the vast powers of the Intel and security agencies to tap/spy on the candidate ,that is going to be perfectly acceptable .......right ?

(from the Wall Street Journal ...not an "alt right" source). The FBI had

"a top-secret intelligence source that was part of the FBI’s investigation of the Trump campaign" inside the Trump campaign .

"When government agencies refer to sources, they mean people who appear to be average citizens but use their profession or contacts to spy for the agency. Ergo, we might take this to mean that the FBI secretly had a person on the payroll who used his or her non-FBI credentials to interact in some capacity with the Trump campaign."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/about-t...rce-1525992611

The name of the mole is the information that Devin Nunes and Tery Gowdy have been trying to get from the stone-walling FBI acting Director Rod Rosenstein. The FBI has been hiding this information from the relevant Congressional Committees for months.

The timing of the placing of the spy inside the campaign could be a revelation also since the narrative we have been spun was that the investigation began after George Papadopoulos' drunken ramblings that were overheard by an Aussie diplomat in July of 2016.

paraclete · May 13, 2018, 03:23 PM

Tom dirty tricks is the stock in trade of leftists

talaniman · May 14, 2018, 07:51 AM

You don't think sticking their nose into an active investigation for The Dufus is a dirty trick by the right? Not even considering they have ended their own house investigation and exonerated The Dufus of collusion while putting forth no recommendations for Russian interference of our election.

Obviously the right wing house are but sycophants, and truth and oversight are just a cover. The Dufus wants this to stop and they will sink as low as it takes to obey. That makes your assertion Clete that dirty tricks are confined to leftists a LIE at best, ignorance at worst.

You talk like a righty.

tomder55 · May 14, 2018, 09:45 AM

I'll ask again ;When Trump in 2020 puts a FBI mole into the Democrat nominee's campaign ;and used the vast powers of the Intel and security agencies to tap/spy on the candidate ,that is going to be perfectly acceptable .......right ?

talaniman · May 14, 2018, 11:34 AM

Not even a fair question Tom, since your assertion that's what was done to the Dufus has no basis in fact, and is only a conspiracy theory by some loon. Okay not a fair statement, but this is just an opinion of the writer on an opinion page. You should read more of her stuff.

tomder55 · May 14, 2018, 01:47 PM

Strassel ? I read her column all the time . She is no loon that's for sure . She's a highly respected journalist working for one of the premier publications in the country .She does not delve in conspiracy theory . The untold secret is that most of the media know who the FBI plant is and is just waiting for confirmation from the FBI (who have used all types of pablum to stonewall the leaders of Congress elected to provide oversight to an agency that Congress created and Congress can end .) The information will be out probably this week. We already know that the plant fed information to Papadopolus who in a fit of drunken braggadocio said to a Clintoon friendly Aussie diplomat that the Russians had access to Clintoon emails .He in turn gave that info to the FBI ;who now claim that the info was their secondary source to justify FISA warrants (after their story about the Steele Dossier proved to be a phony, unverified ,and unworthy source for granting such surveillance .)

paraclete · May 14, 2018, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

. That makes your assertion Clete that dirty tricks are confined to leftists a LIE at best, ignorance at worst.

You talk like a righty.

No but I understand that the left stops at nothing to achieve their objectives, and I try not to speak in absolutes so I did not say that dirty tricks are confined to the left. I admit to having a conservative view on many subjects however my conservatism doesn't necessarily align me with what you call the right otherwise I would be blowing Dump's trumpet

tomder55 · May 14, 2018, 05:44 PM

from Reuters (not an alt right source) :

A Russian company accused by Special Counsel Robert Mueller of funding a propaganda operation to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election is asking a federal judge for access to secret information reviewed by a grand jury before it indicted the firm.

In a court filing on Monday, lawyers for Concord Management and Consulting LLC said Mueller had wrongfully accused the company of a “make-believe crime,” in a political effort by the special counsel to “justify his own existence” by indicting “a Russian-any Russian.” They asked the judge for approval to review the instructions provided to the grand jury, saying they believed the case was deficient because Mueller lacked requisite evidence to show the company knowingly and “willfully” violated American laws. Concord is one of three entities and 13 Russian individuals charged earlier this year by Mueller’s office, in an alleged criminal and espionage conspiracy to meddle in the U.S. race, boost then-presidential candidate Donald Trump and disparage his Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1IF2YW

If Inspector Clousseau dismisses the indictments that will make him look bad. And if he doesn't they get discovery which will show how weak his case really is . This is why Mueller is trying to delay this even though Concord is asking for a swift trial. No doubt Mueller will try and play the "classified information " card .

paraclete · May 14, 2018, 07:50 PM

Well of course it is classified, it concerns the American state and no one can be allowed to know anything about that

talaniman · May 14, 2018, 08:22 PM

You know how this goes. A judge will review the evidence and rule whether it's sufficient or not. There has to be haggling and stuff by both sides first. Lawyers make motions and the other side responds. Nothing wrong with Russia putting up an aggressive defense. They can afford it.

tomder55 · May 15, 2018, 03:01 AM

what is interesting is not the back and forth . It is that in both this and the Flynn case ,Inspector Clousseau has opted to stall . The 6th amendment guarantees that " the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial". Mueller is trying to deny the defendants that because he knows he has no case .

paraclete · May 16, 2018, 07:07 PM

Hate to break it to you Tom but this isn't about the constitution