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jlisenbe · Nov 19, 2018, 05:14 AM

Repubs think they are and that's what counts.

The primary thing to me is that YOU think they are. So you're saying that democrat voters are the ones most likely to be too stupid, lazy, indifferent, or whatever to keep up with their eligibility to vote. Interesting.

talaniman · Nov 19, 2018, 07:11 AM

A false premise based on faulty data. Why do you seem to ignore voter suppression, and Jim Crow tactics? Maybe it's a NORMAL thing in your state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_..._United_States

AND

https://www.sunherald.com/news/natio...220534340.html

Or maybe your great at holding your nose and will keep doing so in your OWN state election run off for the US senate?

jlisenbe · Nov 19, 2018, 08:43 AM

I simply pointed out the logical conclusion from your own statement: "Or didn't know they had been purged. I think they have a time limit to prove they should be counted, but of course by then it would be too late. Nice plan to suppress the vote by repubs, a craft they have perfected over the years."

You are plainly implying that most of the voters who "didn't know they had been purged" would have voted democrat. That's not exactly a flattering statement about democrat voters. I have no sympathy for anyone who doesn't pay enough attention to keep up with their voter eligibility, especially in democratic strongholds where you can have been dead for years and yet still have your vote counted.

As for my state of Mississippi, we have more elected black individuals in government, including the mayors of most of our larger cities, than any other state. That would hardly be the consequence of "Jim Crow tactics". So if you are going to make a statement about it, at least try to make an informed one.

Wondergirl · Nov 19, 2018, 09:54 AM

You are plainly implying that most of the voters who "didn't know they had been purged" would have voted democrat.

Those voters were purged BECAUSE they had voted Democrat in the past.

jlisenbe · Nov 19, 2018, 10:34 AM

Those voters were purged BECAUSE they had voted Democrat in the past.

If there was any proof of that, then they would all be in court by this afternoon.

BTW, how would you, or anyone else, have known how those people voted on a secret ballot?

talaniman · Nov 19, 2018, 10:36 AM

Oh come on dude, I plainly SPECIFIED your stateWIDE races, which is a nuanced difference between the locals that give the state election officials a great database to target certain zip codes. You seem rather oblivious to those nuanced targeted tactics of your own state officials.

Now would be a great time to let your nose go and achieve a broader view of a BIGGER picture than just your own narrow perspective. Take no offense as there is none intended, as conservative repubs and dems alike tend to not want any kind of sweeping changes that improve the lots of the collective being comfortable with what the world is to them. I place no blame or fault for that position as what human happy with the way it is considers those that are not, or even listen and acknowledge there may be an issue.

Such transitions of the human condition are never smooth, or popular, though changes and adjustments are inevitable for evolution and survival. In Mississippi specifically, if you can hold your nose and vote for Hyde Smith after she joked about lynching and suppressing votes of the others...go for it.

Would shock me at all!

jlisenbe · Nov 19, 2018, 10:50 AM

I plainly SPECIFIED your stateWIDE races,

No, you did not. "Why do you seem to ignore voter suppression, and Jim Crow tactics? Maybe it's a NORMAL thing in your state."

As to the senate race, which is the ONLY specific reference you made, if the dems would run a Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, or Dr. Ben Carson instead of the amazingly corrupt Mike Espy, they would probably be winning now. It is a matter of policy, not of race.

vote for Hyde Smith after she joked about lynching and suppressing votes of the others...go for it.

You need to start checking your facts. She has made no jokes at all about lynching. As to jokes about suppressing votes, I have never even heard the allegation made until you made it. Where are you getting that from?

Of course you are fine with Espy getting paid 400k for one month's work for an African dictator who is now on trial for crimes against humanity and afterwards lied about it. Yes, that is fine.

https://www.sunherald.com/news/polit...221738685.html

Wondergirl · Nov 19, 2018, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

If there was any proof of that, then they would all be in court by this afternoon.

No, because they are brown and black people who don't know what power they have.

BTW, how would you, or anyone else, have known how those people voted on a secret ballot?

Because gerrymandering in Illinois is a popular Republican sport. Have watched that sport for years. Suppressing votes and purging voters are popular pastimes.

talaniman · Nov 19, 2018, 11:35 AM

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...-voting-995510

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cont...ry?id=59256622

I guess it still silly season in Mississippi.

jlisenbe · Nov 19, 2018, 12:55 PM

No, because they are brown and black people who don't know what power they have.

Yeah. I'm sure the democrat party would just stand around with their hands in their pockets and do nothing. You are living in the America of fifty years ago.

Because gerrymandering in Illinois is a popular Republican sport.

Uhm...Perhaps you can explain how the repubs are doing that when the dems are FIRMLY in control of both houses of the Illinois legislature.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...-voting-995510

Did you bother to read this? It seems to support the contention that Hyde-Smith was taken out of context. Even the quote they provide doesn't support your allegation.

In the meantime, you are content with Espy's corruption, and considering you voted for Clinton, that is not surprising.

Wondergirl · Nov 19, 2018, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Yeah. I'm sure the democrat party would just stand around with their hands in their pockets and do nothing.

It was a sneak attack by Republicans.

Uhm...Perhaps you can explain how the repubs are doing that when the dems are FIRMLY in control of both houses of the Illinois legislature.

Republicans want back the control they lost.

talaniman · Nov 19, 2018, 02:22 PM

I've reached the conclusion we all are screwed up. Some a lot more than others.

jlisenbe · Nov 19, 2018, 04:43 PM

Republicans want back the control they lost.

So the republicans, who do not have control, have magically gerrymandered districts so the can regain control. Lunacy.

Looking at my reply an hour later, "Lunacy" is a mean-sounding response. My apologies. I do think your reasoning, however, is not as well thought out as it could be.

I've reached the conclusion we all are screwed up. Some a lot more than others.

Just about right.

tomder55 · Nov 19, 2018, 04:47 PM

Why do you seem to ignore voter suppression, and Jim Crow tactics? Maybe it's a NORMAL thing in your state.

Those voters were purged BECAUSE they had voted Democrat in the past.

The 1993 National Voter Registration Act

mandates that state and local elections officers keep voter registration lists accurate by
r
emoving the names of people who die, move or fail in successive elections to vote.
Voters who’ve been convicted of a felony, ruled mentally incompetent or found to be noncitizens also can be removed.(1993 both Houses of Congress were Democrat and the President was Bubba).

Because gerrymandering in Illinois is a popular Republican sport. Have watched that sport for years. Suppressing votes and purging voters are popular pastimes.

My rep was gerrymandered out of office years ago. My current rep is in a solid Dem district who ran unopposed and will now chair the very powerful House Appropriations Committee . But I am not represented in Congress at all. She lives in a different county on the other side of the Hudson river from my town. My vote was suppressed years ago.

Wondergirl · Nov 19, 2018, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

So the republicans, who do not have control, have magically gerrymandered districts so the can regain control. Lunacy.

Yup. They redraw the boundaries.

talaniman · Nov 19, 2018, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

So the republicans, who do not have control, have magically gerrymandered districts so the can regain control. Lunacy.

That's what all the lawsuits have been about. What? You haven't been keeping up? Maybe this will get you caught up and current

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/unpac...ndering-cases/

https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/redistricting

@Tom

Provisional Ballots Protect Voting Rights â€” When They Are Counted

In addition... https://www.justice.gov/crt/about-na...gistration-act

The Act also requires notification of all applicants of whether their voter registration applications were accepted or rejected. The Act requires States to keep voter registration lists accurate and current, such as identifying persons who have become ineligible due to having died or moved outside the jurisdiction. At the same time, the Act requires list maintenance programs to incorporate specific safeguards, e.g., that they be uniform, non-discriminatory, in compliance with the Voting Rights Act, and not be undertaken within 90 days of a federal election. The removal of voters for non-voting or for having moved can only be done after meeting certain requirements provided in the Act. The Act allows for removal of voters from registration lists when they have been convicted of a disqualifying crime or adjudged mentally incapacitated, where such removals are allowed by state law. The NVRA also provides additional safeguards under which registered voters would be able to vote notwithstanding a change in address in certain circumstances. For example, voters who move within a district or a precinct will retain the right to vote even if they have not re-registered at their new address. The NVRA became effective in most states on January 1, 1995. The Act applies to 44 states and the District of Columbia.

Section 4(b)

of the Act provided that states were exempt from the Act if, as of August 1, 1994, they had no voter registration requirements or had election-day registration at polling places. These six states are Idaho, Minnesota, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. In addition, the Act granted additional time to Arkansas, Vermont, and Virginia to comply because they needed to change their constitutions in order to comply with the Act and maintain a unitary registration system for federal and state elections.

jlisenbe · Nov 19, 2018, 06:02 PM

That's what all the lawsuits have been about. What? You haven't been keeping up? Maybe this will get you caught up and current.

If you are going to put up links, at least take the time to read them and be sure they actually have something to do with Illinois. I'm not going to read your links anymore. It's just plain nonsense.

Yup. They redraw the boundaries.

Yes. The democrats in power redrew the boundaries so the repubs could gain power. That certainly makes a lot of sense.

talaniman · Nov 19, 2018, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

If you are going to put up links, at least take the time to read them and be sure they actually have something to do with Illinois. I'm not going to read your links anymore. It's just plain nonsense.

LOL, of course its nonsense to you since you cannot relate federal law to state law nor comprehend the differences. You would actually have to look up the state you want to reference and being a Texan (Transplanted from right outside Chicago) at this stage of life why the heck would I argue what goes on in freakin Illinois? Heck you can barely keep up with YOUR state rules and regs, and tricks and traps.

Okay, Lets start you off real slow with the basics

https://www.bettergov.org/news/gerry...ntional-wisdom

Wondergirl · Nov 19, 2018, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Yes. The democrats in power redrew the boundaries so the repubs could gain power. That certainly makes a lot of sense.

Repubs redraw boundaries -- Illinois, in Chicago, on Native American reservations, wherever there are large groups of people who tend to vote Dem.

jlisenbe · Nov 19, 2018, 07:29 PM

LOL, of course its nonsense to you since you cannot relate federal law to state law nor comprehend the differences. You would actually have to look up the state you want to reference and being a Texan (Transplanted from right outside Chicago) at this stage of life why the heck would I argue what goes on in freakin Illinois? Heck you can barely keep up with YOUR state rules and regs, and tricks and traps.

Your arguments make no sense at all considering that the discussion was ABOUT Illinois. And I'm finished with your aimless links.

Repubs redraw boundaries -- Illinois, in Chicago, on Native American reservations, wherever there are large groups of people who tend to vote Dem.

Yes. I'm sure that's what happened. The democrat controlled state legislature redrew the district lines to benefit the republican minority. Of course. It all makes perfectly good sense. And then they all flew over to Never Never Land and visited with Peter Pan.