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    #41

    Sep 24, 2012, 09:09 AM
    I just can't help but wonder at the media hissy fit that would erupt over Romney calling a terrorist attack, a dead ambassador and widespread violence "bumps in the road", or Israel's concern about Iran just "noise" as the president did yesterday.
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    #42

    Sep 24, 2012, 09:19 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I just can't help but wonder at the media hissy fit that would erupt over Romney calling a terrorist attack,
    Hello again, Steve:

    If you're suggesting the media DIDN'T have a hissy fit, then we just have a different idea about WHO the media is...

    If you think right wing talk radio together with FOX News doesn't reach MORE people than the "lamestream media" does, then you're living in backwardsville.

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    #43

    Sep 24, 2012, 10:35 AM
    Dude, I've posted the numbers many times and the "lamestream media" still dwarfs Fox and talk radio. The three evening news networks alone dwarf ALL cable news, and CNN, MSNBC and HLN combined beat Fox. Talk radio is I believe about 50 million a week, but that includes all aspects of talk radio including left and right leaning shows, sports programming, NPR, etc. Add virtually every newspaper on the planet and your argument holds no water.
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    #44

    Sep 24, 2012, 10:39 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    your argument holds no water.
    Hello again, Steve:

    Yes, it does..

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    #45

    Sep 24, 2012, 11:05 AM
    Post the numbers.
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    #46

    Sep 24, 2012, 12:06 PM
    The numbers don't matter, what should be done with the info you get is what's important.

    You guys think we should be telling other countries what to do and not to do. Right?

    That's the leadership you want with military to back it up and take out our enemies. Right?

    Correct me if I am wrong but what kind of leadership should we be presenting?
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    #47

    Sep 24, 2012, 01:44 PM
    Evita has gone out of her way to apolgize for a video on Youtube... opps that's right... I mean grovelling publicly and having faux condemnation of free speech,calling the video that mocks Islam "disgusting and reprehensible;"
    .Funny thing is that I know for a fact that Evita sat through a performance of 'The Book of Mormon' on Broadway which skewers and mocks the Mormans for the entire show.
    The show has been greeted not by protests but rhapsodic reviews and standing ovations from crowds that have included celebrities as diverse as Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, actor Jack Nicholson and composer Stephen Sondheim. More than 300 people show up daily for a shot at 14 lottery seats to a musical that is sold out through September.
    'Book of Mormon' creators now pushing the edge on Broadway | MLive.com
    I'm sure there were many in the Mormon community that found the show "offensive and reprehensible and disgusting" . But there was Evita enjoying the show and cheering it on with the rest of the audience. Why didn't Evita ask Eric Holder to go after the creators of South Park who authored this insult to the Mormon religion ?

    Back to the subject... the White House has been lying about these incidents from the beginning and it's time they came clean. Ambassador Stevens knew he was on a hit list . Where was his protection on the anniversary of the 9-11 attacks . For years we have been told that there would be heightend security on that day for the obvious reason.
    The adm may think they can skate past this ;but they can't . Time for them to come clean.
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    #48

    Sep 24, 2012, 01:45 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    The numbers don't matter, what should be done with the info you get is what's important.
    Ex is the one whining about numbers.

    You guys think we should be telling other countries what to do and not to do. Right?
    I remember a few years back many on your side were urging Bush to "save Darfur." Seems that quite often you want UN troops to go in and rescue some country. Only problem is they just rape and abuse the refugees instead. Your side has no problem with intervening in another country, you just pick your causes like everyone else.

    That's the leadership you want with military to back it up and take out our enemies. Right?

    Correct me if I am wrong but what kind of leadership should we be presenting?
    We aren't presenting any leadership now, just excuses and coverups for those nasty "bumps in the road" to Obama's reelection. That and apologizing for our values like free speech.
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    #49

    Sep 24, 2012, 02:34 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Hey, if Muslims want to whack each other perpetually then maybe they'll eliminate the problem themselves, but I happen to believe a child should eat and women shouldn't be treated as property. Still waiting for libs to catch up with us on that instead of wasting their time fretting over "extremist" Republicans.
    It's nice for you to have this view Speech, a child should eat, how does that carry over into your own country if you support Republican policies. There is some sort of disconnect here where you have more concern for the children of Muslims than you do for US children and you say the Muslims treat women as property, I'll come back to what I said earlier and remind you we are only a century away from giving women the vote and you are only fifty years away from giving blacks their rights. How dare you come over all self righteous on the rest of the world. Fix your own problems and let Muslims fix theirs
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    Sep 24, 2012, 03:19 PM
    You guys think we should be telling other countries what to do and not to do. Right?
    I remember a few years back many on your side were urging Bush to "save Darfur." Seems that quite often you want UN troops to go in and rescue some country. Only problem is they just rape and abuse the refugees instead. Your side has no problem with intervening in another country, you just pick your causes like everyone else
    .

    Wasn't that long ago when the Clintoons led a NATO operation in the Balkans because Muslims were being ethnically cleansed by Serbia. They were willing to risk war against the Russians over the issue.
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    #51

    Sep 24, 2012, 06:10 PM
    Tom you know for a long time I have been saying you should not be interferring in other countries. The reason you have the problems you do is because you interfere and tell other countries what they should do. You speak about the yugoslavian civil war, you were not alone in seeking an end to that war and the atrocities of ethnic cleansing and it may yet be necessary to do the same in Syria, but you must not act unilaterally as you did in Iraq.

    Muslims have some long standing differences that we probably can't even understand and they have long memories. Blood fueds must be satisfied if they are to live together, barbaric I know, but a cultural thing
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    #52

    Sep 24, 2012, 09:03 PM
    Nice spin righties, way to go to twist the facts to fit your views. No wonder you back Mitt, he has a problem with facts and figures too, but he has plenty of SPIN, and loads of red meat.
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    #53

    Sep 25, 2012, 02:17 AM
    but you must not act unilaterally as you did in Iraq
    we had a huge coalition What are you talking about ? Oh I know... you mean that we must submit national interest to UN approval .
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    #54

    Sep 25, 2012, 04:47 AM
    Have you gone troppo, there was no national interest in Iraq, just unfinished Bush business. The embargo's had already bled Iraq dry, you could have sat there twenty years until Saddam died or was assassinated. You chose to believe the lies of Iraqi expatriates who used you get get back into power. It was the snow job of the century, how to steal a country and bankrupt its enemies. You were used to do the hatchet work for the Saudi's who laughed all the way to the bank and what did you get for your trouble, some nice defence contracts? And some nice catering contracts?

    Tom, we are over the B/S all right, we put up with it right through the Bush era
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    Sep 25, 2012, 05:32 AM
    , there was no national interest in Iraq
    umm we led the no fly zone enforcement for a decade . That was a UN operation wasn't it ?

    Look ,the US has to decide what it wants to be. If we want to lead the world as we have then we can't retreat from the world as you and the Obots prefer. If we want to be lead by the bogus international organization called the UN , or the Europeans ,then Obama's your man.


    You talk of B/S ? Why don't you ask Putin about the lie Obama told him to convince Putin to give the UN go ahead for a "no fly zone" in Libya . Do you really think he signed on to a plan to wack QDaffy and regime change ?
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    #56

    Sep 25, 2012, 05:34 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    If we want to lead the world as we have...?
    But you don't lead the world. How incredibly arrogant.
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    #57

    Sep 25, 2012, 06:10 AM
    Yeah we should get behind Canada's leadership. Canada can't defend it's islands from the Danes.
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    Sep 25, 2012, 06:12 AM
    Wow, that's really relevant. What island?
    Anyway, our aim isn't to lead the world, we are just our own country... of nice folks. :-)
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    #59

    Sep 25, 2012, 06:16 AM
    Well you will have to open your piggy banks and beef up your military to defend the Arctic from the Russians who claim just about whole ocean as a Russian lake.. . The Danes ? Didn't they go to the Hans Islands and plant their flag on Canadian territory ?
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    #60

    Sep 25, 2012, 06:20 AM
    They can claim what they want, there's nothing going on there. Why do you feel this is relevant?
    You seem to thrive on conflict.

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