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Dec 1, 2012, 08:07 AM
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Dec 6, 2012, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Consider Iran/ Contra as the closest parallel . A mission being financed by other nations so the WH doesn't have to be accountable to Congress.Now back then I had no problem with the concept of aiding the Contras . But that operation was illegal ;and many in the WH paid the legal costs for that action;including John Poindexter, the national security adviser under Reagan
Now I'm, surprised however that you would be comfortable with an op that funnels heavy weapons into the hands of radical political Islamists .
The NY Times reports that Obama secretly approved weapons shipments to Libyan rebels in Qatar, some of which ended up in the wrong hands.
The Obama administration secretly gave its blessing to arms shipments to Libyan rebels from Qatar last year, but American officials later grew alarmed as evidence grew that Qatar was turning some of the weapons over to Islamic militants, according to United States officials and foreign diplomats.
No evidence has emerged linking the weapons provided by the Qataris during the uprising against Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi to the attack that killed four Americans at the United States diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, in September.
But in the months before, the Obama administration clearly was worried about the consequences of its hidden hand in helping arm Libyan militants, concerns that have not previously been reported. The weapons and money from Qatar strengthened militant groups in Libya, allowing them to become a destabilizing force since the fall of the Qaddafi government.
The experience in Libya has taken on new urgency as the administration considers whether to play a direct role in arming rebels in Syria, where weapons are flowing in from Qatar and other countries.
The Obama administration did not initially raise objections when Qatar began shipping arms to opposition groups in Syria, even if it did not offer encouragement, according to current and former administration officials. But they said the United States has growing concerns that, just as in Libya, the Qataris are equipping some of the wrong militants.
The United States, which had only small numbers of C.I.A. officers in Libya during the tumult of the rebellion, provided little oversight of the arms shipments. Within weeks of endorsing Qatar’s plan to send weapons there in spring 2011, the White House began receiving reports that they were going to Islamic militant groups. They were “more antidemocratic, more hard-line, closer to an extreme version of Islam” than the main rebel alliance in Libya, said a former Defense Department official.
So the admin armed the Jihadists...
Might have been nice to know BEFORE the election.
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Dec 6, 2012, 11:39 AM
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Some of us did . Of course it wasn't in the Slimes ;and they are still sugar coating it by making it sound like it was a botched policy that the adm became alarmed about.
The truth is still far from the pages of the Slimes .
But at least they are now linking the attack to gun running . That's a start .
Canadafreepress has a 3 part interview on Benghazi that hits it .
Benghazi explained: Interview with an “Intelligence Insider”
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Dec 6, 2012, 11:44 AM
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Canadafreepress has a 3 part interview on Benghazi that hits it .
Most of what's in that rag isn't factual. It has absolutely no relation to Canada at all. Beware.
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Dec 6, 2012, 11:49 AM
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Of course they're sugar coating it, but it's a start. Maybe.
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Dec 6, 2012, 11:52 AM
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NK what they are reporting I was saying here weeks ago . So they obviously have not been my only source.
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Dec 6, 2012, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Most of what's in that rag isn't factual. It has absolutely no relation to Canada at all. Beware.
Always quick to attack the source but no worries, most of us can read and understand their motto displayed prominently on every page, "...Because without America there is no Free World"
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Dec 6, 2012, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by tomder55
NK what they are reporting I was saying here weeks ago . So they obviously have not been my only source.
And that darn right-wing rag the NY Times pretty much corroborated the interview.
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Dec 16, 2012, 03:30 AM
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Update... Evita faints ,suffers "concussion" but did not check into a hospital . Now it is doubtful that she will testify to Congress about Benghazi as Sec State... a fortuitous fall if you ask me.
Susan Rice took her name out of consideration for Sec State . John scary Kerry is in. He will be confirmed easily .
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Dec 16, 2012, 05:29 AM
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Looks like your foreign policy is blowin in the wind
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Dec 17, 2012, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by tomder55
update ... Evita faints ,suffers "concussion" but did not check into a hospital . Now it is doubtful that she will testify to Congress about Benghazi as Sec State ... a fortuitous fall if you ask me.
Susan Rice took her name out of consideration for Sec State . John scary Kerry is in. He will be confirmed easily .
A fortuitous fall indeed. I wonder how Lurch feels about Bashar now?
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Dec 17, 2012, 08:48 AM
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Kerry is regarded as weak and a meddler.But that could just be his 'nuianced' ways . His repeated visits to Assad are certain to be a debate in nomination hearings ;although I've never seen a photo of him bowing .
Also, there are reports that Kerry has acted as the middle man to pass letters from Obama to the 12ers in Tehran. That should come up in discussion too.
The positive is that eventually the Senate seat becomes an open seat. Scott Brown is waiting in the wings.
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Dec 17, 2012, 09:06 AM
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Also heard the Prez is considering RINO Chuck Hagel for Defense Secretary. He will also face a tough confirmation hearing because of his membership (along with former senator George Mitchell and former Treasury Secretary John Snow), on the Deutshce Bank America's Advisory board. There are allegations that Deutsche bank helped launder money for Iran. Also Hagel tends to be on the anti-Israel side of the fence.
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Dec 17, 2012, 09:58 AM
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The rumor this morning is ex-Gov. Dukakis might get Kerry's seat. From bunny man to to tank dude.
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Dec 17, 2012, 10:27 AM
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Dukakis ? What ? Another Kennedy wasn't available ?
Yeah Duvall would never appoint a Republic. But eventually a special election has to be held for the seat under a law Massachusetts passed in 2004 .That's why Scott Brown became a Senator after Ted Kennedy took his final swim.
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Dec 17, 2012, 06:07 PM
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Doesn't seem to be a lot of depth does there? Aren't there any old generals or bright young senators laying around or are they all republicans? I find it interesting Hillary might be a candidate for presidency and she doesn't have the good sense to look after her own health and what happened to multi-tasking? still State might take a different direction with someoneelse at the helm
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