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paraclete · Mar 18, 2014, 05:13 AM

yes it should be free for everyone, and vaccination is an important health care initiative that lowers care costs

smoothy · Mar 18, 2014, 05:16 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

yes it should be free for everyone, and vaccination is an important health care initiative that lowers care costs

Where are you going to find people willing to spend 8 years in medical school... then work for free?

paraclete · Mar 18, 2014, 06:00 AM

No Let the government pay for it, the return on investment is obvious, it will reduce costs under Obamacare, obviously medical practitioners will be paid to administer the vaccinations should they want the work but it really needs lesser skilled medical staff, it can be done in a clinic

talaniman · Mar 18, 2014, 06:20 AM

Or by the nurse practioner/assistant who administers the flu shots when YOU visit YOUR doctor.

J_9 · Mar 18, 2014, 06:24 AM

These vaccinations can be administered by LPNs or RNs. I do the flu shots every year.

smoothy · Mar 18, 2014, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

No Let the government pay for it, the return on investment is obvious, it will reduce costs under Obamacare, obviously medical practitioners will be paid to administer the vaccinations should they want the work but it really needs lesser skilled medical staff, it can be done in a clinic

Nurses attend medical schools as well and work hard to get their accreditations... they won't work free either.

THe Government pays? Where do you think the government get its money from?. and its certainly not everyone that will be getting something for nothing. Roughly 47% pay no federal taxes now... so they aren't contributing one iota towards the costs.

J_9 · Mar 18, 2014, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

No Let the government pay for it, the return on investment is obvious, it will reduce costs under Obamacare, obviously medical practitioners will be paid to administer the vaccinations should they want the work but it really needs lesser skilled medical staff, it can be done in a clinic

How is the government going to pay for it? We are already trillions in debt. Where are we going to get the money?

I'm am RN, went to what my husband refers to as "mini medical school" as it took me 4 years versus 8.

Lesser skilled? Do you have any idea how many doctors actually ask nurses for advice?

tomder55 · Mar 18, 2014, 06:53 AM

Vermont wants a single payer system. But a study just concluded that the state needs to double it's taxes (not just income taxes ,but double it's combined tax intake of all taxes ) to pay for it . Obviously Vermont ,not being the national government doesn't have the option of passing on it's debts to their grandchildren ,or to print money . So they have to fund their social programs in real time. That is why Dem lawmaker Rep. Jim Condon has said that Vermont should shelve it's plan to adopt single payer .
Smoothy is right . This illusion that some have that if the goverment pays for it that there is no cost is absurd . You see it with Obamacare too where EVERY part of it that is "free " has support .But when it comes to pay for it ,the mandates get delayed until after elections so there is no political costs to the pols. who support it.

talaniman · Mar 18, 2014, 06:56 AM

So you rather have an epidemic of measles because nobody can pay for the vaccination shots? Isn't that the whole point of INSURANCE for everybody? So the government DOESN'T pay as much?

J_9 · Mar 18, 2014, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Isn't that the whole point of INSURANCE for everybody? So the government DOESN'T pay as much?

That's just silly. Who is going to pay for the insurance for everybody?

talaniman · Mar 18, 2014, 07:03 AM

I am all ears for a better idea than my silly idea.

J_9 · Mar 18, 2014, 07:04 AM

Wouldn't it be wiser to focus on the drug companies to charge lesser for these vaccinations that should be required rather than expect the government to supply them for free?

Maybe we should focus on the exorbitant fees the drug companies charge. Most of their research is funded by grants anyway.

talaniman · Mar 18, 2014, 07:04 AM

I can go with that, and cut the costs that insurance companies, and doctors charge too.

tomder55 · Mar 18, 2014, 07:06 AM

There is no epidemic. Not even close ;and no your ideas of insurance are utopian . Vermont with it's small population of 626,146 (49th largest state by population...the only state with fewer people is Wyoming ) will have to increase spending by a min. of $2.2 billion just to institute their single payer 'plan for everybody' .

tomder55 · Mar 18, 2014, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by J_9

Wouldn't it be wiser to focus on the drug companies to charge lesser for these vaccinations that should be required rather than expect the government to supply them for free?

Maybe we should focus on the exorbitant fees the drug companies charge. Most of their research is funded by grants anyway.

The irony of this whole discussion is that we are debating people who normally have contempt for the drug companies. But when it comes to big Pharma studies about the possible negative effects of their vaccines ,their conclusion is the orthodoxy ,and independent studies about the harm that preservatives and heavy metals in the vaccines cause are dismissed .

talaniman · Mar 18, 2014, 07:11 AM

There will be an epidemic if people don't get vaccinated. Evidently enough do so there is no epidemic.

J_9 · Mar 18, 2014, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

I can go with that, and cut the costs that insurance companies, and doctors charge too.

Tal, do you know what a doctors med/mal insurance is per month? Do you understand why it is so high?

Aside from paying their staff, some of them (not the greedy ones) have to make a living.

Two of the OBs I work for pay upwards of $10,000 per month for med/mal insurance. As a nurse, I pay only a measly $100 per month. There is also the issue of paying back student loans, paying staff and overhead for offices.

paraclete · Mar 18, 2014, 07:27 AM

my heart bleeds to hear that those who choose to be in a lucrative business have expenses

talaniman · Mar 18, 2014, 08:16 AM

J, frankly I don't care what he has to pay from his profits. He makes money off my sick arse, hmmmmm so do you. But I love you both for your efforts. :)

Remember that when you pull down my pants with a needle in your hand. :D Still the cost of living is too damn high, and my earnings are to damn low.

smoothy · Mar 18, 2014, 08:24 AM

And yet people who don't finish high school or make any effort to better themselves.. are somehow entitled to even more money to reward them for their laziness.

Sorry... Doctors work their Butts off through med school... work their butts off through residencey... they have earned the higher than average pay they get. (also applies to Nurses, etc)

Perhaps we should cut teachers pay as well... Lawyers, Judges... and all Polititians as well (hell make political positions unpaid, they make enough with insider trading as it is)... Why stop there?

Outlaw unions because all those people working for the union didn't earn the right to that money... and they are handsomely paid...we can return ot the pre-industrial hand to mouth subsistance.