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    #61

    Oct 30, 2012, 12:39 PM
    Um, my first link WAS Huffpo and last I checked they don't offer any right-wing talking points.
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    Oct 30, 2012, 01:35 PM
    But on the first anniversary of the act's passage, the nation's largest banks boast larger holdings than ever. Their political clout is on the rise, say experts, and the government regulators who are supposed to be looking out for the next wave of reckless speculation are starved of cash. Meanwhile, stalwart banking industry allies in Congress are seeking to crimp the authority of the regulators on multiple fronts.

    Some experts say this reflects considerable efforts by banking industry allies to hamstring the regulators as they seek to follow through. Republicans in Congress are determined to either repeal the law, trim portions of it, or -- if all else fails -- starve regulators of much-needed cash, say observers.
    Its quite a battle, should we just quit?
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    Oct 30, 2012, 05:07 PM
    Hello excon,

    I'm all for legalising pot and everyone I know is for it to.
    I mean if the drug that makes some people violent, dangerous drivers and impairs decision making (alchohol) Is legal why isn't the drug that keeps me concentrated and crave taco bell legal.

    Were do you stand on this issue?
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    Oct 30, 2012, 05:38 PM
    Hello Gamed:

    Were do you stand on this issue
    Welcome to the discussion.

    I'm for legalization, fair regulation, and fair taxation... But, the Washington initiative would force me to buy THEIR schwag pot, at THEIR store, force me to pay THEIR high tax load, and they'd STILL put me in jail if I grew my own..

    I don't want ANY of that.

    Excon
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    Oct 30, 2012, 06:03 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Gamed View Post

    Were do you stand on this issue?
    I think everyone should be able to grow their own but anyone who sells it goes to jail
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    Oct 30, 2012, 06:16 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello Gamed:

    Welcome to the discussion.

    I'm for legalization, fair regulation, and fair taxation... But, the Washington initiative would force me to buy THEIR schwag pot, at THEIR store, force me to pay THEIR high tax load, and they'd STILL put me in jail if I grew my own..

    I don't want ANY of that.

    excon
    So are you for just the average joe mass growing his bud and selling that?
    Or are you more for I grow my pot while my neighbor grows his.
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    Oct 30, 2012, 07:36 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Gamed View Post
    So are you for just the average joe mass growing his bud and selling that?
    Or are you more for I grow my pot while my neighbor grows his.
    I think the second alternative is the way to go, no local enterprise, just grow your own but no selling, no incentive to get others hooked, and licence the growers so if found with weed then it is clear, a grower can have a quantity and beyond that it's commercial and illegal
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    Oct 30, 2012, 08:01 PM
    Yea but I think government will just grow and tax it themselves if we even get that far in the war.
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    Oct 30, 2012, 09:06 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Gamed View Post
    Yea but I think goverment will just grow and tax it themselves if we even get that far in the war.
    Governments don't want to be part of enterprise, if you make it commercial then they will tax it, but we don't need another tobacco industry. Think of the licence as a small tax. You have to remember weed has some undesirable health aspects as do tobacco and alcohol, so keep it small. You could have Pharmas making all sorts of other drugs available but it has undesirable outcomes. Where there is a buck to be made crims will get involved.
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    Oct 31, 2012, 02:59 AM
    Hello again, clete:

    just grow your own but no selling,
    That's not going to work... Not everybody has the facilities, the money or the know how to grow...

    Excon
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    Oct 31, 2012, 03:10 AM
    Well hard luck ex you learn, back yard gardens and window boxes you know and of course there are attics, roof tops
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    Oct 31, 2012, 03:14 AM
    Sell it at the liquor stores, sell it at the drug stores, and grocery stores. Just like Jack Daniels and Budweisers. What's the difference?

    Why make it hard?
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    #73

    Oct 31, 2012, 03:55 AM
    Hello again, clete:

    It's a tropical plant. It won't grow like that.

    excon
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    Oct 31, 2012, 02:55 PM
    Really, then how does it grow in the neighbourhood, EX, don't tell me you don't cultivate it all over, we uncover vast plantations in country which isn't tropical and which may even be subject to snow, good heavens, I've even had to eradicate a few plants myself, curtesy of a wayward son. Perhaps your people aren't as enterprising as mine. It isn't called pot for nothing
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    Oct 31, 2012, 04:03 PM
    governments don't want to be part of enterprise,
    Lol ,this government wants to be the enterprise . That's why they gave up Obamacare and the GM bailout
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    Oct 31, 2012, 04:06 PM
    it isn't called pot for nothing
    and it isn't called weed for nothing. Perhaps Ex wants to maximize THC ;which would mean specialized controlled environments .
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    #77

    Oct 31, 2012, 04:31 PM
    Ex might want to run the neighbourhood hydroponic plant for all I know, but what I do know is the dollar signs light up as soon as someone mentions legalisation. What no one wants anywhere is a government enterprise growing and distributing any noxious substance, Taxing it, well that is a horse of a different colour, a pale horse I think
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    Oct 31, 2012, 04:43 PM
    True ;although that doesn't stop governments from running numbers games . Oh but wait... lotteries (those noxious taxes on the poor) are for funding education... it's for the children.
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    Oct 31, 2012, 04:53 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    true ;although that doesn't stop governments from running numbers games . Oh but wait.... lotteries (those noxious taxes on the poor) are for funding education ....it's for the children.
    Yes we used to have that falacy here, they used it to finance public hospitals, but State Treasuries being what they are, privatisation became the order of the day and they sold it off. Now we have a federal government legislating in the administration of slots, it isn't enough state governments reap enormous taxes from them, now our benevolent government (the little red fox) has had a hot flush and decided that the poor (read chronic gamblers) must be protected from themselves by deciding in advance how much they will loose
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    Oct 31, 2012, 08:52 PM
    There are plenty of people who will grow good pot, pay taxes and create jobs. The Jack Daniels and cigarette industry is doing fine. Why would the pot industry do as well if not better?

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