To point out absurdity by being absurd: I suppose the local ASIS office has a key to your house and vehicle?

They don't need it, but ASIS is not a police force, their concern is national security like your NSA, but I have no doubt they watch subversives closely which is as it should be.

The difference here is how we define subversives. I have long said that muslim represent a fifth column in our midst, a group of people who's true loyalties are unclear. Again and Again we see statements that undermine our values. do they want to live peacefully, only on their own terms. We have laws on immigration and dealing with refugees and asylum seekers, continually we see muslims attempting to flout these laws and when intercepted and placed in custody they act in deniel and even with violence. Do we go to their countries and flout their laws? do we go to their countries and form armed criminal gangs? Do we shoot up police stations? Finance insurrections in far places? encourage people to go an fight in civil wars?

We have just had a report on unrest and murder in a PNG refugee camp. Where did the trouble lie. In the attitude of muslims. in the subversive behaviour of muslims

Really nice deflection. Do you advocate putting microphones in Mosques to catch jihadists before they do anything? That seemed to be the thrust of your "pro-active law enforcement" post. What about Tories? Socialists? Blackfellas?

well cats I have no doubt the hate speech of certain muslim clerics needs to be monitored, I'm surprised you are willing to appease them regarding their attitudes to women. What is proactive law enforcement, it is not sitting on your butt waiting for a crime to be committed, but seeking intelligence and watching. I regard our anti-bikie laws as proactive policing, recognising that there are certain groups who consider themselves above the law and targeting them. Perhaps you don't have laws regarding criminal association but we do. Proactive policing is talking to the kids, being seen in the trouble spots, addressing social issues.

You want to know what I think about red necked louts or greenie activists who disrupt public order, a little proactive policing and whether the rioters are muslims, ethnics or abo's the answer is the same, but I don't know who these blackfella's are, there are many dark skinned people here from various parts of the world so blackfella's, not so discernible as they might be in your culture.

Your anit-bikie laws dont seem too popular amongust your fellow countrymen.

Queensland anti-bikie laws: Motorcycle gangs lodge High Court challenge against controversial measures - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)


Queensland's anti-bikie laws: We're all criminals now

only among the bikies, us law abiding citizens reckon they got this one right, we want to see the end of these yobbo's anyway the bikie gangs have been taken over by muslims so nip em in the bud.

you really have to learn to ignore media sensationalism and you really need to know who the players are. That article referred to the Finks MC a dangerous group of drug dealers and malcontents. Anyone who associates with them is as we say, on the "highway to hell" and certainly not innocent

Makes me laugh as a certain segment of society apparently believes inanimate object (guns) have sudenlt sprung to life like zombies and are walking the streets randomly attacking living people.

Maybe if the mentally unstable element is locked up like they once were... this would not be happening.

When I was still in scool, it wasn't unusual for some kids to go hunting before school....and have their gun in their car......we never once had issues. But that was back before the ACLU turned them (the mentally unstable people) loose from the nuthouses.

(and before it comes up...and it will, we aren't talking the people with autism, and the others who aren't a danger to most....but the people who actually are a danger to the public that were amoung them)

So why can't we buy tanks and missiles and grenades and heroin legally?! It's a conspiracy!

You ( a private citizen) can buy tanks and old military armoured cars... probibly even in Canada. But it's a very expensive hobby... Arnold Schwarzenegger owns one. So do a lot of other people.

Watch the category, Military Vehicles on eBay just for one. Plus there are websites that specialize in them... you can even import them from eastern and western Europe.

THere are a lot of hand grenades in the hands of private citizens... I don't have any, never really felt the need to have any for that matter... but I could find them if I ever wanted some. A person with fundemental metalworking skills and very little equipment could turn them out very easily. They are typically incredibly crude devices. Its harder to fix a lawnmower.

You might find it surprising but there are a lot of legal machine guns in the hands of private citizens... as well as legal silencers... (and an unknown number of unregistrered ones).

Yes and I used to travel with a hair triggered .22 in my golf bag, used it for shooting crows but I've grown up and that sort of behaviour is no longer acceptable.
You can lock up all the peopel you like, you already do and it hasn't solved the problem, funny about that, you would have thought removing the crimes from the streets would have made a difference

We have the constitutional RIGHT to own them... something few other citizens of the world have.

When drugs are smuggled by the metric ton... guns can be just as easily. Then you are at the mercy of the criminals... and any despot that manages to get elected that has enough like minded lunatic followers.

Far too many examples in far too many countries in just the last 100 years to ignore.

THe problem isn't that they get locked up...the problem is enough of the worst ones aren't getting executed thanks to the bleeding heart types (who coincidently tend to have no compassion towards an unborn child) that have so much compassion for someone who has a complete lack of it.

Gang Affiliation should raise any crime to a capital crime.

None can use live ammo though - that kind of makes a difference.

Its still a tank and armoured car... without a functional gun , and yes, most (as in almost all) aren't functional.

And honestly... I think you CAN get a license to have one operational... (here in some parts of the USA anyway) I'm not sure where or what it would take. There would just be very few places one could even use it if you could find or afford the ammunition for it.

Part of the Demilitarization process renders the gun scrap (usually the breach is torch cut and bore welded... as they typically don't sell them intact. And there is lots of fun to be had with a tank or armoured car that doesn't involve making things go boom.

There are a lot of actual cannons....( type used in Civil war) in private hands...and many are fired from time to time. (Some are reproductions). But yes, those ARE a totally different class than a rifled bore gun in a tank or amoured car.

But for that matter.....Muskets and muzzleloaders aren't registered and don't have the same restrictions on ownership either for the same reasons.

So why can't one buy a live tank and live ammo? Why not have live grenades available to all? They are only inanimate objects that don't suddenly spring to life randomly attack living people.

Because in the wrong irresponsible hands they are dangerous. Laws prohibit them. Crazy people and criminals are hard to keep track of.

what Clete is really looking for is big government to replace a society increasingly lacking a moral compass. The kid's old man makes movies about teens killing each other in a dystopian survivalist ritual (that's when he's making black and white photos of naked women ) .It appears that Elliot Rodgers biggest gripe was that he was not living the fantasy hedonistic life that his Hollywierdo lifestyle suggested was the norm.
BTW ;he ended the murder spree when confronted by armed men. But as is often the case ;when seconds count ,the cops are minutes away.

Apparently, you haven't read his manifesto.

why would I waste my time reading a 140 page rant ? He complained he didn't get any from a 10 year old girl.

What lifestyle is that?

It isn't a rant. It is well written and makes perfect sense. Who said that about the 10-year-old girl?