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    #341

    Nov 27, 2014, 09:07 PM
    Really I accessed it from the same site that was running the ones you included in your post, I guess the URL isn't valid or perhaps the climate change lobby has struck again and destroyed the evidence
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    #342

    Nov 28, 2014, 02:39 AM
    I found it on an alternate link . Thankfully there are some scientists with integrity .
    Climate Scientists Jump Ship as CO2 Theory Collapses - YouTube
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    #343

    Nov 28, 2014, 03:14 AM
    Because of this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNg7iO3db7k
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    #344

    Nov 28, 2014, 08:32 AM
    Here is the link to it Tom.

    Climate Scientists Jump Ship as CO2 Theory Collapses - YouTube
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    #345

    Nov 28, 2014, 02:49 PM
    Are we going to talk HAARP again, karma,
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    #346

    Nov 29, 2014, 01:34 AM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNg7i03db7k

    Well resourced N.K.

    I thought all along global warming was man made. So now we know for sure.
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    #347

    Nov 29, 2014, 01:47 AM
    It is from a reputable source. It's undeniable.
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    #348

    Nov 29, 2014, 02:46 AM
    Tutt ,surprised you are playing along with that nonsense.
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    #349

    Nov 29, 2014, 04:52 AM
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    #350

    Nov 29, 2014, 07:03 AM
    Maybe the semantics is what confuses the debate. I call it POLLUTION plain and simple. We all know who does that don't we?
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    #351

    Nov 29, 2014, 07:06 AM
    NK The real point is that with almost 2 decades of no warming, some true climate scientists have begun to rethink their assumptions and are breaking free of the bonds of the orthodoxy that has no place in science .

    You on the other hand just double down on irrelevant nonsense . But it is what we have come to expect from you . Tutt usually doesn't sink to your levels .

    Tal do you believe that C02 is pollution ?
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    #352

    Nov 29, 2014, 09:07 AM
    I know for FACT it is poison for oxygen breathing life on earth if in sufficient quantities, and yes humans produce this in higher quantities than nature. It is one of many pollutants, and that's just science which you can prove at home rather easily by trying to breathe it yourself.

    Let me know how that works out for you. Destroying the balance of nature (in the air, water, or earth) will kill life. Another FACT. OPINIONS don't matter, and you can deny scientific facts all you want.

    Carbon Dioxide Comfort Levels

    dangerous co2 levels humans articles Meltdata.com

    Chemical Fact Sheets -- Carbon Dioxide (CO2)

    CO2 – Why 450 ppm is Dangerous and 350 ppm is Safe | Bob Willard - Sustainability Advantage

    You are obviously NOT a scientist, neither am I but I would listen to them before I would Sarah Palin (drill baby drill) and her ilk.
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    #353

    Nov 29, 2014, 10:39 AM
    duh yes it's toxic if we try to breathe pure C02 . However you breathe it every day and it hasn't killed you yet . It is present around 0.02 percent to 0.04 percent of the air you breathe . You falsely equate c02 with soot emission .Calling C02 a pollutant is what is unscientific .
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    #354

    Nov 29, 2014, 11:52 AM
    Tal, in excessive quantities OXYGEN is poisonous to oxygen breathing life.

    oxygen toxicity - definition of oxygen toxicity by Medical dictionary

    What you really need to watch out for is that Dihydrogen Monoxide. That stuff'll kill you.

    Drowning Symptoms, Diagnosis, Treatments and Causes - RightDiagnosis.com

    You are correct about the balance being the key. What most of the Eco-religionists seem to miss is that it is a DYNAMIC balance, not a static one. Increases in surface (up to the stratosphere is still surface) CO2 have largely been balanced by decreases in water vapor.

    NASA satellite data shows a decline in water vapor | Watts Up With That?
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    #355

    Nov 29, 2014, 12:08 PM
    I suppose that's why your local weather station gives out air quality warnings because it's no be deal what we breathe, nor if it's more dangerous to some than others. That's just the air, you cannot ignore the water, or earth either. All are but contributing factors of a larger environment.

    Go ahead, kill the birds and bees and see what happens to flowers and trees. I don't expect you care for old folks and infants, or children either, huh? I suppose we could wear those useless facemasks like the Chinese do and go about business as usual!
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    #356

    Nov 29, 2014, 12:58 PM
    air quality indexes monitor ground level ozone ,particulates ,carbon monoxide ,sulfur dioxide ,nitrogen dioxide .... not C02 . If you are saying we should reduced human emissions of those ,I quite agree . We don't need phony climate science to make that case .
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    #357

    Nov 29, 2014, 01:16 PM
    We don't need phony climate scientist telling us there is nothing to see move along either Tom. The effects of man on his environment should not be so casually dismissed.
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    #358

    Nov 29, 2014, 02:31 PM
    keep building them strawmen . No one is disputing the need to reduce pollution .That is why the EPA was created . They have done their jobs ,but with all government agencies ,they go looking for new dragons to sleigh . The premise of the AGW crowd ....now just known as "climate scientists " was not about pollution .It was that human emissions of CO2 were causing climate change ;specifically warming . Now 20 years of no warming ,so they shift their argument . You are learning from them as they go from 'global warming ' to climate change. They also went from % of the atmosphere to threating sounding words like 'metric tons' ..... and it's not C02 anymore ;just carbon . Carbon and carbon dioxide are not the same thing. The alarmists would have us believe they are. Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant .
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    #359

    Nov 29, 2014, 02:34 PM
    Tal the Chinese wear face masks because of particulate pollution, the particals in the air. Photochemical smog will kill you and there is a good reason for controlling emissions from coal burning and it doesn't have anything to do with CO2, but their photochemical smog doesn't just come from power stations but also from antiquated industrial processes and their methods of rubbish disposal. How could you be so niaive as to think they wear face masks to prevent CO2 inhalation?

    We have to get rid of the motive garbage in this debate because behind some of the "facts" is an industrial and environmental lobby on both sides of the debate. The vapours from cigarette smoke are a far greater pollutant, but we haven't banned tobacco production, and yet there are those who want to ban coal production. This is illogical and the result of skewed thinking and political interference.
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    #360

    Nov 29, 2014, 03:03 PM
    the Chinese wear face masks because of particulate pollution,
    Actually most wear face masks because they are ill and do not wish to make others ill.

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