NK, it doesn't matter what the individual does, it is unconstitutional for the federal government to dictate church doctrine, period. It's not weird, it's black and white. Your argument is nothing but a straw man.

They aren't dictating, they are saying that ALL insurance companies need to provide those certain services.

If my argument is a strawman then your Obama/hypocrite argument is also a strawman since the catholics are being incredible hypocrites by, one the one hand, making the argument you are making then on the other hand personally using contraception. You see no issue there at all?

Pope Paul VI 's 'Theology of the Body' makes it clear that artificial contraception is taboo. There is no compromise and it's outrageous that the state would impose values on the church that is antithetical to it's beliefs .

But it's OK that the congregation uses contraception right? Is that not a bigger issue? Should a test be given to the faithful or else refuse entry to the church?

What is it about "requiring" do you not understand? Does it have a different meaning in Canada? Are you also incapable of distinguishing between the "individual" church member and the "church"? Of course the church is full of hypocrites, there's always room for one more if you're interested, but member behavior does not negate church doctrine. There is no straw man it's black and white.

What part of "you are free to select which services to use" do you not understand? See we can all be condescending like you! Cool eh?
I love how you have absolutely no problem with the churches being full of hypocrites, like it's a normal everyday thing. But if there's a liberal hypocrite then WHOA!. time to start another thread! LOL! You're funny.

What part of "you are free to find employment elsewhere" don't you understand?
I never said I didn't have a problem with it, I acknowledged there is a problem - I'm still waiting for the left to acknowledge their hypocrites.

My point remains the same, having hypocrites in the church is no justification to allow this unconstitutional, unethical power grab. Nothing funny about it.

We are people with free will. The church does NOT approve of the congregation using artificial constraception;nor will it tolerate the dictates of the state on this matter . They will 'lay their necks to the sword ' first .

Good luck with your outrage. But you should clean your own house first.

Nice try but still utterly, totally, completely, unequivocally irrelevant to the issue.

For you maybe because you turn a blind eye to it all but not for others.

Dude, I acknowledged hypocrites in the church twice, 'tis you turning the blind eye.

I repeat, whether a parishioner lives in perfect obedience to church doctrine is utterly, totally, completely, unequivocally irrelevant to the issue. The government is expressly forbidden from establishing church doctrine or preventing the free exercise - or not - of said doctrine.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

You are in no way being prohibited from exercising your religion. It's quite simple.

Karma what is your interest in religion you are an atheist

I enjoy spirited debate, don't you? Also it good to expose faulty arguments when they surface. I don't drive an F1 car but I enjoy watching the races.

Huh ? The church is forced to do something completely against it's tenents .

a) The church is not an insurance company
b) once again, you are not being prohibited from practicing your beliefs

Where does it say the church is prohibited from offering contracts of insurance?

There is great confusion here over the roles of organisations and their relationship to government. As I understand it the government must not prohibit the establishment of any religion and is prohibited from establishing a state religion. I don't read that it is able to prohibit the church from commercial activities however it does have the power to regulate commercial activities. Commercial activities are not an inherent part of religious activities and so a church must be subject to regulation in this regard just as any other. Any commercial organisation is free to determine what services it provides and which it does not.

Where we have a problem is where the state in order to enforce policy ties subsidy to regulation and there by makes rules which contravene religious principles

We cannot regulate or force the church to do anything, nor should we, but insurance is a business, and therefore regulated. The church like everyone else can either buy it or not, and if the policy goes against there doctrines or whatever, then they don't have to deal with it, but they don't get to force companies to observe there doctrines, follow there beliefs, or limit in any way the free choice in a free society.

If its against the church, where do all those catholics get birth control? So why dictate what a private business offers in product? Buy it, or you don't just like the rest of us. Or pay the workers a wage that they can get their own insurance, and have there needs met under the law, no matter what religion you are.

Exemptions or not, I find it hypocrisy that they rail against the obamacare law when 24 states have the same law on the books about pay for the full range of reproductive services for women.

Pill bills: States that mandate contraceptive equality | Insure.com

The church has options already so what's the big deal now, and its funny to me that not all females are trying to prevent pregnancy, they are preventing certain cancers specific to females, or have high chances of complications due to pregnancy.

Funny how you want to do away with the very place poor people and the uninsured go for over all female health care. And of course you blame Obama for an argument that's started way before he he became president and why do righties always say that any one who doesn't agree with them is dictating, but its okay for them to dictate sticking there nose into my freedom to chose.

By my logic, more contraceptives, less abortions. Just for the record, I talked to my kids at puberty, and birth control, yes both male and female followed shortly after. Just in case the only true birth control, ABSTINANCE, didn't work.

I will write a letter to my Bishop today recommending that all Catholic Hospitals, Day Centers, Catholic nursing homes, Shelters shut down in a year rather than succumb to this unconstitutional dictate.

This country was originally settled by people escaping State interference in the affairs of religious institutions and compelling their values on the people of faith . The founders recognized this and wrote the establishment clause specifically to deny the state the power to impose rules that go against the values of religion.

This really is a line in the sand issue. Let's see the state replace all those services since that is the goal of the "progressive "socialists anyway.

There are 70 million Catholic voters Mr President . Maybe you want to reconsider ?