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    Sep 17, 2010, 03:44 PM
    Boston Public schools aid in Islamic Indocrination
    Where is the Uproar from the Freedom FROM religion types on the left when Boston PUBLIC school 6th graders are bussed to a mosque during school hours without either the notification or permission of their parents.



    Video Shows Public Middle School Boys Joining Muslim Men In Prayer at Controversial, Saudi-Funded Boston Mosque

    BOSTON, Sept. 16 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Americans for Peace and Tolerance (APT) today released a disturbing video showing Wellesley Massachusetts public middle school boys taking part in Muslim prayers during a field trip to a mosque. The video raises serious questions about permitting school children to visit the Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center – the controversial Saudi-funded mosque in the Roxbury neighborhood of Boston.

    It also raises questions about the behavior and intentions of mosque leadership. The mosque is controlled by the radical Muslim American Society (MAS).

    In a May 2010 visit, the students were presented with Islamist propaganda, which falsified history by minimizing oppression of women in the Muslim world and whitewashing the role of Jihad in Islamic territorial conquests.

    The most outrageous incident occurred during the Muslim mid-day prayer. The students were separated by gender. Then, some of the public school boys, along with the Muslim men, bowed and prostrated themselves with their heads touching the floor in traditional Muslim prayer.

    "This is yet another one of a series of incidents at the mosque which demonstrate the deceitful nature of its leadership," said Dr. Charles Jacobs, President of Americans for Peace and Tolerance. "Under the guise of an educational field trip, the MAS subjected public school children to a subtle form of proselytizing. The combination of bad faith by the MAS with poor judgment, and perhaps incompetence, by school officials is responsible for this breach of the separation of church and state."

    The Boston mosque, like the Ground Zero Mosque in New York City, has been embraced by local political leaders including Boston Mayor Menino and Massachusetts Governor Patrick. Dr. Jacobs noted, "Our political and civic leadership is reluctant to deal with the reality of Muslim radicals in our community promoting their Islamist agenda to our children, preferring instead to adopt a feel-good politically-correct posture."




    Public School Field Trip: Inside Video Captures Kids Bowing to Allah

    Massachusetts, | BOSTON, Sept. 16 | Video Shows Public Middle School Boys Joining Muslim Men In Prayer at Controversial, Saudi-Funded Boston Mosque | The Herald - Rock Hill, SC

    School Trip to ?Moderate? Mosque: Inside Video Captures Kids Bowing to Allah
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    Sep 17, 2010, 04:39 PM

    I'm speechless. I do not find it a stretch of the imagination to think that this will happen in NYC, if that "cultural center" is built.
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    Sep 17, 2010, 04:47 PM
    Just another case of stupid educaters
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    Sep 17, 2010, 04:56 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Just another case of stupid educaters
    I agree with you there... they can't teach the kids to read, write and do math so they waste time dragging them ot Mosques, damn what their parents want.
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    Sep 17, 2010, 04:59 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by bleusong52 View Post
    I'm speechless. I do not find it a stretch of the imagination to think that this will happen in NYC, if that "cultural center" is built.
    If this had been a field trip to a Christian Church the lawsuits would already be filed by the ACLU... under the separation of church and state statutes they loved to argue so much when it came to prayer and Christian Holidays.
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    Sep 17, 2010, 06:36 PM

    You're exactly right. The story would be on CNN repeated over and over ad nauseum.
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    Sep 18, 2010, 05:57 PM
    We should all know by this time that when the "separation of church and state" is rolled out, that it only applies to CHRISTIAN churches. Ditto for those in public office or military chaplains.
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    Sep 19, 2010, 03:36 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by galveston View Post
    We should all know by this time that when the "separation of church and state" is rolled out, that it only applies to CHRISTIAN churches. Ditto for those in public office or military chaplains.
    I am marvelling at the glaring absence of our own liberal debaters when the subject is this outrageous. Ex can't make this one about Bush. NK can't disavow the Globe. Even these "educators'" decision can't be explained away by WG.

    C'mon Lefties, step up to the plate. (This is my best excon impersonation, I'm not that good at it)
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    Sep 19, 2010, 03:54 AM
    Stupid educators. Not involving religion in education should indeed mean all religions, unless the students specifically select the class as an elective. I'm always stunned by the school system in the US.
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    Sep 19, 2010, 06:53 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Stupid educators. Not involving religion in education should indeed mean all religions, unless the students specifically select the class as an elective. I'm always stunned by the school system in the US.
    I quess these educators didn't believe Islam is a religion and therefore not admissible in school studies, after all they just wanted the students to appreciate the architectural beauty of the building or some such...
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    Sep 19, 2010, 01:10 PM

    The students were compelled to participate which is a clear violation of the 1st Amendment by anyone's standards.

    The teachers and administrators that approved this should be immediately dismissed.

    I agree with bleusong... Change the name of the victory ghazva mosque to "cultural center " and every student in the NYC school system will be subject to this type of proselytizing .
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    Sep 19, 2010, 01:14 PM

    They DID have the permission of their parents. The video originally posted says so.

    And women's lot WAS improved in the 7th century by Mohammed and the beginnings of Islam.
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    Sep 19, 2010, 01:19 PM

    Participation in this exercise meant the exclusion of the girls who took the field trip ;treating them as less than equal. Why are you defending that ?
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    Sep 19, 2010, 01:20 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Participation in this exercise meant the exclusion of the girls who took the field trip ;treating them as less than equal. Why are you defending that ?
    That was the POINT!!
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    Sep 19, 2010, 01:36 PM

    Really ?Then it's a good thing that Islam has been at the forefront of rights for woman since.. the 7th century .

    To make the lesson complete then the girls should be flogged for exposing their face.
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    Sep 19, 2010, 01:40 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Really ?Then it's a good thing that Islam has been at the forefront of rights for woman since.. the 7th century .
    Did I say Muslim women have had rights since then? No, I didn't. Don't twist my words.

    To make the lesson complete then the girls should be flogged for exposing their face.
    Yes, and that would have driven the point home even further.
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    Sep 19, 2010, 01:47 PM

    For balance then you won't mind students going on a field trip to a cathedral to participate in a Latin Mass,including the kneeling and participation in the prayers... maybe receiving communion as a bonus.

    That ACLU person present would have issues with that I'd bet.
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    Sep 19, 2010, 01:52 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    For balance then you won't mind students going on a field trip to a cathedral to participate in a Latin Mass,including the kneeling and participation in the prayers... maybe receiving communion as a bonus.
    Nope. And also a Jewish synagogue and also a Mormon temple (girls excluded again) and a Hindu temple and a Buddhist monastery. I only wish all that would have been done when I was a student.

    That ACLU person present would have issues with that I'd bet.
    I'm not a member.
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    Sep 19, 2010, 02:09 PM

    So much for that "established" 'separation of church and state'. If this isn't an establishment clause violation, I don't know what is .Even Wellesley School Superintendent Bella Wong apologized and said it was a mistake to allow the children to participate in the prayers.
    Wellesley schools chief apologizes for students' role in Muslim prayer service - Wellesley - Your Town - Boston.com
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    Sep 19, 2010, 02:11 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    so much for that "established" 'separation of church and state'.
    If it's for a civics or social studies class, and no one religion is pushed as the preferred one, what's the problem? And of course the parents have to sign a permission slip.

    Kids want to "try it out" no matter what it is. If the adults don't stop them, of course kids will go through the motions to see how it feels. They do it with sex, so why not religion.

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