There are a lot of crazy people running around America and you just never know who the cable man is!

We live on a semi-secluded one-block long, deadend street and my husband is often gone for business. A good friend keeps asking me if I would like to accompany him to the firing range and get a basic overview of guns - I have never fired one.

If I bought one, I would certainly need a class, this I know! And I am aware that if someone decided to mess with me here, the only chance I would have for survival now is to elude them. But then if something like that happened, I know I would live in fear of them returning too. And that is no way to live, frankly.

I keep putting it off, rationalizing that my neighborhood has a reputation of being one of the last bastions of gun-toting rednecks (which has its good and bad points too - see the thread in Etiquette about bad neighbors LOL) and because of that, a criminal would be exceptionally foolish to mess with anyone here.

Its really one of those things I go back and forth in my mind (when I am not ordinarily so indecisive) so this thread has been most interesting and valuable to me.

[B]Val... QUIT dragging your feet! Go with your friend & get TRAINED! The first thing women in particular need to get past is the tendency to 'anticipate' the recoil... which varies with the barrel length, etc. Some basics of other self defence would also raise your 'comfort' and 'confidence' level. You'll feel MUCH more confident & less skittish about it once you're COMPETENTLY trained. FEAR is the most valuable tool a perpetrator has. I suggest you find a great little book; 'Armed and Female'... I forget the author's name... Paxley Quigley or something like that. She is HIGHLY regarded, trains police cadets, does speaking engagements, etc. Just reading her book will add a lot, make you more alert and observant & less likely to become a victim. Safe neighborhood? Don't COUNT too heavily on it! Prepare, train, learn AND pray you never need it!

It is sooo much better to have one and not need it than to need one and not have it! Val, do it!

Thank you Marj Ann for enlightening me on that point! One I will be doing my own investigation into.

The military, and the cops both work for US civilians.

Date:
Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:30:25 -0400

From:
"Ken Murrell" [email protected]

To:
"American Patriot Friends Network" [email protected]


To United States Citizens:

I am a 10th generation American. My Family Roots go back to Jamestown (the first colony), Virginia. I am also a U.S. Army Veteran (1965-68 Vietnam era volunteer), and I am an x-Criminal Investigator. My point in saying this is, many times I have (taken one step forward, raised my right hand and) sworn to support and defend The Constitution of The united States of America. I love MY Country and MY LIBERTY! I am qualified to point out something very important to all united States Citizens. Our Constitutional form of government is civilian NOT military! My point, the many American Flags we're seeing displayed everwhere today on TV (in the background of Courtrooms, the Halls of Congress, even in Churches and on Religious shows) are military flags! Any time you see an American Flag with pretty gold roping (braid and tassel) added to it, you are looking at a military flag! The very display of a military (Admirality) Flag represents military authority. U.S. Citizens please BEWARE of what you're NOT recognizing. You are being deceived! It's right before your eyes! In January 1961 (just 40 years ago) the farewell message from outgoing President Eisenhower warned America to "beware of allowing a large Military Industrial Complex to come into power." If any person in the world knew what that danger was, President/General Eisenhower certainly knew. He had more experience in such matters than any one man has ever had in the history of our government. All military personnel are trained (brainwashed) to kill. They are not trained to think of YOUR Constitutional Rights. The 'psychological profile' of a marine, a special forces soldier or a navy seal is not qualified to be turned loose on our civilian streets as a law enforcement officer! All U.S. Citizen's need to become tailors. Why you wonder? So that wherever we go, we can each carry a small pair of scissors. Then anytime we chance upon a military flag in a civilian setting we use our scissors to cut the first stitch. Then we proceed to RIP that gold military roping off OUR Flag! If we're going to have a showdown with the military let's get it on now and get it over with! The military, and the cops both work for US civilians. "LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS OATH" I, ("The Cop") , SWEAR that I will support "The Constitution of The united States", "The Constitution of The State of (one of 50) ", and I will faithfully impartially discharge my duties as a police officer/Deputy Sheriff of city/county , according to law, to the best of my ability, SO HELP ME GOD! _______________________________________ (cop) Signature America, our only hope in this matter is that these soldiers and cops are Christians who have a conscience. We must remind each of them of what their "Individual" oath to God really means! Ken Murrell

Geez, as I read this whole thread I have a newfound appreciation for being a canadian. I don't live in fear of someone taking me out.

[B]I appreciate the interesting variation of views; I DO second MAGPROB's observation that what weapons the populous has will matter little against disabling tasers and other FAR more sophisticated weapons now commonly issued to police by their departments [now NATIONALIZED]. The sheer numbers + intimidation factor + SHOCK will basically overwhelm I sadly suspect. The complete dismantling of the u.S. Constitution has been too well & long planned for the 'powers that be' NOT to have a PLAN B for EVERY eventuality. Dumbing us down, removing OUR military, allowing millions of [preditory] illegals who are ALREADY verbalizing their intent to RECLAIM several States, enlisting & PROMISING pillage to gangs, Nationalizing our local P.Ds. arranging for armed, equipped foreign troops to quietly be here and on our 'borders', + MANY other proven factors SHOULD raise a distress FLAG to alert us to the Fact there IS 'Trouble Right Here In River City', folks... we've for the most part been too otherwise-occupied to notice.

The problem I see in the US there are to many people with blinders. They simply do see what is happen. There are not enough police to enforce the law, If you don't have so form of protection, when someone breaks into your home at 3:05Am, don't expect the police to be there to help you, they will show up after you are dead or have serious injuries.

Police do care about you, they only care about writing traffic tickets to steal your money from you. That is use to pad their retirement plan.

Ah.

That's why my friends father died on duty... writing tickets to pad his retirement.

Puts his funeral in a whole new light.

Hmmm for the record I do NOT live in fear either and I don't care much for fear-based decisions either, which is why I am still thinking... all input being gratefully and carefully considered.

This thread points out some interesting differences between the US and Canada as only the US has a right to bear arms clause in our constitution. For the most part citizens even here in the REPUBLIC OF TEXAS take their guns seriously and responsibly and yes theirs always a fear of crime. Nobody carries guns around with them all the time but keeps them at home safely put away from kids. I personally have never owned a gun as I don't hunt or engage in activities or go to places where I need one. Most shootings in our cities can be traced to crime or drugs so unless you indulge in any of these activities then you should reasonably safe. There are always exceptions but I doubt the perception of the US being the wild, wild west is a valid one. There are some who carry their pistols under the carseat or in a shoulder holster but in the grand scheme of things there is more fear than actual need for fire arms, BUT having said that I don't think anyone who is a gun owner will ever let themselves be disarmed by the government. And I agree! :cool: :)

Prissy, go make Elvis one of them fried peanut butter and nanna sandwiches. Wait, make Elvis a whole plate full. Thankya babydoll!

Prissy, you calling me Prissy!! LOL, they actually serve them dang samitches here, believe it or not!

Too funny Magprob!!

FRIED peanut butter and banana sandwiches?? Do people actually eat that? Grosss. :p

Yes, and fried dill pickles too!!

Everything here is fried! GROSS

I'll take a salad with ranch dressing on the side please. ;-)

Fried dill pickles?? Ugh that's even worse LOL!! I think I would die of starvation if I visited there haha.

I have heard though that Tennessee is very beautiful... and I think part of The Green Mile was filmed there... and the outdoor scenes in that movie were really nice. I'd like to visit sometime, just maybe I need to bring my own food! ;)

Fried pickles, nope you haven't lived until you've tried a deep fried Mars bar ;)

Oh wow I just read the link about the Mars Bar and I didn't realize it had been discontinued in the US! We still have it here in Canada... it used to be one of my favorites... but raw not fried! ;)

the second amendment is the right to fry mars bars? =)

Oh my god, you peeps are too funny!
I have been thinking all day (no kidding here) about starting a thread on weird food combos all day, as the cooking forum is just NOT getting enough action!

So shall we??