sndbay,
You were doing just fine before you tossed in the swine thing.
That was uncalled for.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

The parables are explained. When you claim that you have special knowledge to understand the parables, it sounds like you are claiming to be an adherent of gnosticism which has been soundly condemned as being outside of orthodoxy.

Jesus and the Apostles reasoned with people in the vernacular of the time.
God is not the author of confusion.

In the posted message #109 I can be quoted in saying, My heart and mind in free will is to do My Father's Will on earth as it is in heaven. (the meaning is that my choice in life is to do the Lord's Will refer to the prayer we were taught in scripture.)

I went on to say quote: That by prayer and belief in Christ, and all authority and power given to Him, I can ask anything in His name.( the meaning refer again scripture Mark 16:17; John 14:13-14; John 15:16 etc.. )

Quoted: Thus to trust upon His guidance to led me from temptation. . . Are my prayers heard and answered... YES ( meaning in the prayer we were taught to pray, and scripture Jeremiah 33:3, Isaish 26:4)

The question I asked? Do you believe in Christ's power and authority. Do you believe Christ can help and protect you?

The reply that was given... those replies are posted in ridicule of what I posted .. Is to ridicule someone the Christian way? Would one think it's okay to reply in this matter to the question that I asked?

Posting #112 the verdict... Should I take offense by this judgement?


My attempt to example myself after further reading the posting, was not done in arrogance. I have never claimed to be more then a humble servant. I have posted many times that none of us are special. Posted #104..states that..

The deception by false witness of my belief is exactly that, False...

I will not participate further in these decisions, the idea that I caused confusion in love for Christ has never been my intention. And I find the idea a further ridicule by the jury.

This experience is by far heart breaking.

Sndbay was once a student at the school of Rationality but midway through the first semester he decided to drop out and pursue his dream of becoming a space cadet…it pays to dream big!

Snd,

I am very sorry you felt heart break.. and I mean that.

I really do feel bad if I hurt SND... I didn't mean to. But I pity the fool that calls me a swine... LOL LOL LOL sorry Jakester I have been waiting and waiting to use that line on you with your Mr. T pic. Corny... I know.:D

I am not sure what you are trying to prove by most of what you posted, but you told us that you have special knowledge that the rest of us do not have (God said that he is no respector of persons), and then made a passing comparison to us and swine.

I and others did not put you down - quite the contrary - we were expressing regret that we were not better able to understand what you were trying to say.

sndbay,
I'm disappointed that you will not continue.
I find your post to be interesting.
I also believe that God can inspire anyone he chooses to and often does.
I pray for inspiration and often get it.
So don't let others discourage you.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

My friend and Brother/Sister in Christ Jesus: If you or I or anyone mortal was able to live without sin, then Jesus died on vain because He only climbed on the cross because He thought we were incapable of achieving Communion with our Father without His sacrifice. Praise His Wisdom in coming to pay off the bills you and I couldn't.

Scripture agrees:

Rom 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
NKJV

Gal 3:21
For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.
NKJV

Eph 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; [it is] the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
NKJV

Tj3 need I refer scripture that speak of God's blessing. And should I explain that God created each of us just the way we are. Each different, and brought forth to service on earth whether doctor, farmer, or poet.Some highly skilled yet all loved by God equally.

Refer:Posting # 119 Sndbay Quoted to say: The depth of communication is as a poet, which sometimes is difficult for others to understand.
The bible does example this form of commincation, and I can feel blessed by God because it allows me to understand the parables, and language used.

Tj3, who is the author of confusion? Scripture tells us it is satan.. I have viewed discussion that you have had with others concerning the language, with itityam, or symbolism used. Have you found confusion in the noted speech to eat of this bread and drink of this blood ? Did God cause the confusion? NO! The author of confusion is satan... He works with eagerness to tempt us. God reveals truth, and will help us when we call upon Him.

Posting #119 Sndbay quoted as saying: I believe in all that I wrote, and all that I quoted is truth. If we say I failed, then we do not truly believe.

This statement was in refer to what I have posted 3 different time as evident to my belief. God tells us to come forth 3 times... So if {we}, that includes myself, say I fail at avoiding intentional or willfull sin, then {we} do not believe in Christ's power and authority over our enemies. (This was the subject)

Posting #119 Sndbay quoted saying: I will not ask that you all forgive my way of communicating because it is a gift from God. But I will feel it is best that what I treasure must not be wasted...So in refer to scripture never cast your pearls to the swine.

The swine is indeed the person who does not believe in the Lord's prayer, in the scripture that tell us of Chirst power and authority., Rather it is bare false witness against me to say I called anyone a swine. For I did NOT! Rather a choice to wear the shoes that fits for all of us..

Mark 16:17; John 14:13-14; John 15:16 , Jeremiah 33:3, Isaish 26:4

Galatians 2:20-21 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Willfully not.. but we are all sinners..

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Posting #101 sndbay quoted saying: Please be aware that the flesh body of all generations do sin, and as noted before the price was paid for all sin by Christ. However God gaves us the lamp of the law to give light to our paths. Christ walked in the light, and we should walk in His Light.

Christ gave the right to repent, not the right to sin...

I leave you and the forum with nothing further to explain.

C-O-P ,
I agree with you.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

But just because God blesses some people, and God gives gifts, does not mean that everyone who has an unique characteristic has that as a gift from God. Especially if that "gift" is a gift of obscure ways of communication.

Nowhere does scripture say that only specially blessed people will understand parables, nor does it even suggest that those who understand parables will talk in obscure ways. When Jesus spoke, what he was saying could be understood. He did not just speak to the "gnostics".

Luke 8:9-10
9 Then His disciples asked Him, saying, "What does this parable mean?" 10 And He said, "To you it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is given in parables, that
'Seeing they may not see,
And hearing they may not understand.'
NKJV

His disciples are His followers, not gnostics.

Have you noted that you way of communicating is confusing to virtually all?

The only person who can legitimately claim that is God. he is the ONLY one who can say that all that he has written or spoken is truth. What are you trying to say?

I believe in God, not you or what you write. The same goes for anyone else, including myself. No one should be placing their faith in my words, bnut rather I point them to the word of God.

Where is this in scripture? Where are we told to come forth 3 times? Coming to Christ once is enough for salvation.

The reference in scripture to willfully sinning, as I pointed out earlier is not speaking of sin in general, but the context is specifically the sin of rejecting the salvation that you once received, and turning away from Christ as Saviour willfully.

Again, your posts are not the Lord's prayer.

I would say that some of your claims are ones that no man should dare make.

Posted #119 The depth of communication is as a poet, which sometimes is difficult for others to understand.

And further more, I stated I would not participate further within the forum because your judgement in my way of speech.. For my intention is never to cause any confusion..

There you go with your false witness in judgement of my faith in Christ, and making it appear that I follow my words and not scripture. Everything I have said refer a scripture. It is The Word/Christ I believe in...

Establish something as being evident..( Matthew 18:15-17)

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

This is the evident posting which I have tried to explain of what is being ridicule and judged by Tj3. You insist it is as my/satan's confusion.
In the posted message #109 I can be quoted in saying, My heart and mind in free will is to do My Father's Will on earth as it is in heaven. (the meaning is that my choice in life is to do the Lord's Will refer to the prayer we were taught in scripture.)

I went on to say quote: That by prayer and belief in Christ, and all authority and power given to Him, I can ask anything in His name.( the meaning refer again scripture Mark 16:17; John 14:13-14; John 15:16 ect..)

Quoted: Thus to trust upon His guidance to led me from temptation. . . Are my prayers heard and answered... YES ( meaning in the prayer we were taught to pray, and scripture Jeremiah 33:3, Isaish 26:4)

The question is do you believe ? Do you believe in Christ's power and authority. Do you believe Christ can help and protect you?
And I will add, do you believe throught Christ that we Willfully not within the mind sin.. but we are all sinners with the flesh..???
Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Tj3 answer those questions..



I referscripture that shows this as a falling away. Hebrews 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:But that which beareth thorns and briers [is] rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end [is] to be burned.



And obviously that is a discerning between your choice in faith and my faith. But your discerning does include falsely claiming what you have interpreted of my communication verses the refer of scripture.

My heart and mind in free will is to do My Father's Will on earth as it is in heaven. That by prayer and belief in Christ, and all authority and power given to Him, I can ask anything in His name. Thus to trust upon His guidance to led me from temptation. . . Are my prayers heard and answered... YES

TJ3,

Exactly, This is why I see so much arrogance in his posts. He puts his words and his thoughts right up there with God. DRIVES ME NUTS!

Enough IS enough.
Here is the Lord's prayer...
NOTE that when we pray this were pray for ourselves and others by saying US.
Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your Kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as in heaven
Give us today our daily bread.
Forgive us our sins,
AS WE FORGIVE those who sin against us.
Lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For the kingdom, the power and the glory are yours.
Now and for ever. Amen
Let us all FOLLOW it as we live it.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Repeating it does not make it any more true. Colourful description maybe, but it is certainly not a Biblical description of how we are to communicate the gospel.

You said in your last message, and I quote:

"If we say I failed, then we do not truly believe."

Sorry to disappoint you, but saying that you failed does not make anyone a nonbeliever. Scripture says that we have all failed, and as I said, I believe in God not in your. I believe in God's faithfulness not yours.

I stand by my comments.

[quote]Establish something as being evident.. ( Matthew 18:15-17)

Let's look at this passage:

Matt 18:15-16
15 "Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.'
NKJV

It does not say that we are to come forth 3 times. This is referring to a matter of discipline where we are to bring 2 or 3 witnesses.

I am ridiculing nothing. Indeed a few posts ago, I was defending you. But I cannot defend a position that claims infallibility, and claims that confusing ways of speaking is a gift from God.

Prayers may be answered, but the answer is not always "yes".

Yes, but do I believe the word of God when it says that we have been given freewill and that we all fail to obey perfectly, yes, I believe that also. Do you?

We are all sinners in our minds also. None of us, yes not even you have obeyed God perfectly. The verse that is referred to by sinning willfully refers specifically to one sin - and that is willfully rejecting and turning our backs on our salvation that we received in Christ.

I addressed this earlier in this same thread by showing the context of the passage.

sndbay,
Don't let anyone here run you off.
Believe as you want to believe, but note how others believe.
They can believe as they want to.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Yes, Fred, anyone and everyone can believe as they wish, but that does not mean that everyone is equally right. Only God's word is always right.

I agree that sndbay should stay - I encourage him to do so, but to come down to earth with the rest of us and let's discuss what we have in common and where we differ and study God's word.

Thank you Fred, your heart is honest and pure. However I will not take part, and have my faith in Christ be posted in ridicule because of the way I speak. And also be called arrogant for my love in Christ. Do unto others as you would want done unto you.
Christ tells us to WATCH.. watch for deception. That does not mean in the way words are spoken, but it does mean what the words are saying.

I have shown my husband this ridiculing and his advise was to stay clear of internet bullies that are out to hurt me. My pastor agreed with him.
Peace to you Fred