Ask Me Help Desk - Who do you think will go to hell, or do you even believe in hell?

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Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell

Ok guys if we are getting offended,

I don't we are. To quote kitkat:

"It is sad when people go along with any thing just to fit in and not offend any one. I think if you preach the word and people are offended at least they are listening and you have touched a nerve in their heart or they wouldn't respond."

Ok, I'll take that, just wanted us to stay on track. I didn't want it to turn the other way.

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Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell

Ok guys if we are getting offended, than we need to take a step back and breath. This is an excellent thread and I would hate to see it turn the wrong way.

For once, we agree ;) I'm definitely not offended; it takes a LOT to accomplish that, usually involving personal insults toward a member of my family or something. About the only thing that really sets me off any more is deliberate lying, and I haven't seen any of that here. So everything's cool on this end, for what that's worth.

Lake of fire? For my husband, hell is waiting in line at a store and there are never-ending price checks and credit card problems with the customers ahead of him, hell is a never-ending crowded birthday party where he has to socialize with everyone there, hell is eating leftovers every night for supper, hell is going to a parade every day and watching fireworks every evening (he hates both).

If there is a hell, I believe it will be tailor-made for each individual.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I don't we are. To quote kitkat:

"It is sad when people go along with any thing just to fit in and not offend any one. I think if you preach the word and people are offended at least they are listening and you have touched a nerve in their heart or they wouldn't respond."

NK.. I'm not going to argue OK? I was speaking generally and if it offended you then I suppose I have made my point. I won't argue this with you. I will however unsubcribe from this thread. It isn't because of you I will do that. I have other post to respond too. I have not or will I ever apologize for being a Christian and for my beliefs. Thank you Classy T and it's like Bella said we don't a bunch of people messing up this thread. Thanks and Blessings to all of you. Blessings to you NeedKarma.

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Originally Posted by Jesushelper1976

I did not read any of the other answers but here goes.

Who do I think will go to hell? Can not say, it is not my place or my judgment to make.

Now the definitions of hell has different meanings for different people.

Even the word hell itself the meaning has changed over many years.

The original prayer that I used to pray in church. The part that said Jesus died, descended into the dead and rose in three days. That is today's version. Years ago it was worded Jesus descended into hell and rose in three days. Hell could be merely meaning death, or the grave...

As well. Hell another definition is that people create there own hell and there own separation from God. After there death. they recreate and relive their worst nightmare.

There is books that are included in the Catholic version of the bible that are not excepted by all denominations which talk about the seven days after death for the righteous and seven days of the evil and what they see and the steps they take. It is pretty cool to read and makes sense.

Hmmmm? Interesting Joe. VERY interesting.

However, 13% of what Jesus had to say concerning hell doesn't say we get a second chance. Believe you me, I would LOVE that. I have dear people in my life who are atheist.

But consider these verses: Revelation 22:11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy."

and then of course this one which is horrible : Rev. 21: 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

What do you make of that. It sounds to ME... in whatever state we die.. we stay in that state. Or do you think I have that wrong... I don't know? Any thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Kitkat22

... if it offended you then I suppose I have made my point.

I wasn't offended, I was simply pointing out the dangers of stating beliefs such as hell as being in the same league of facts as the existence of the sun and the moon, it tends to weaken the statement a lot. No one is arguing. Feel free to return anytime. :)

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Originally Posted by classyT

and then of course this one which is horrible : Rev. 21: 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

That is interesting. It is imagery or it is literal? Is there an actual fiery lake of sulphur somewhere?

What's considered to be sexually immoral?

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Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell

What's considered to be sexually immoral?

I'm a Christian. My mom's a Christian. My son's a Christian. If you asked each of us, you'd get three different answers.

WG, thanks for solidifying my theory about "open for interpretation".

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Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell

WG, thanks for solidifying my theory about "open for interpretation".

Heck, even Dave and classyT would have differing opinions!

Right, I agree, have you read back?

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Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell

Right, I agree, have you read back?

I've been reading the thread since it started (along with 40,000 other threads). What should I be aware of?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Heck, even Dave and classyT would have differing opinions!

True WG... but in Dave's defense... it's because he isn't as smart as me. AND... we cannot condemn a person for being slow witted.:p

Bella, I believe the bible concerning the sexually immoral would be anyone who was living in a sexual sin according to the Bible AND hadn't had their sin washed away by the Lord Jesus. Because truly, I have done most of the sins listed in that verse. And lets be real? WHO among any of us hasn't lied? ( well maybe George Washington but... you know what I mean.) :D Incidentally what I am MOST concerned with in that verse is the second person mention... just a unbeliever.. YIKES. :eek:

NK.. I believe it is a real place. There is more descriptions other than revelation, if like WG and Dave, you don't take that book literal. (revelation I mean)

(Dave chime in here anytime)

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Originally Posted by classyT

True WG... but in Dave's defense... it's because he isn't as smart as me. AND... we cannot condemn a person for being slow witted.

Be careful, classyT, be very careful.

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Bella, I believe the bible concerning the sexually immoral would be anyone who was living in a sexual sin according to the Bible

Present tense? Past tense? And what's a sexual sin?

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if like WG and Dave you don't take that book literal

I didn't say it isn't literal. I said it's over and done with; the prophecies therein have been fulfilled.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I've been reading the thread since it started (along with 40,000 other threads). What should I be aware of?

Lol, just the discussion on whether religion can be interpreted.

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Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell

lol, just the discussion on whether religion can be interpreted.

After attending Bible classes for years and years, I've come to the conclusion that no two people interpret the Bible the same way.

For anyone, but using KJV, Acts 1:24-25: "And they prayed, and said , Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, that he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place."

This clause, "that he might go to his own place," is possibly referring, not to Judas, but to Matthias. In other words, what is meant is the "the place of this ministry" that he was to take, since Judas was no longer an apostle and, because of his suicide, had opened a place among the apostles for another disciple.

Dave might be able to shed light on this phrase, figuring out to which person in the verse it belongs/refers and how it should be interpreted.

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Originally Posted by classyT

True WG...but in Dave's defense...it's because he isn't as smart as me. AND...we cannot condemn a person for being slow witted.:p

Bella, I believe the bible concerning the sexually immoral would be anyone who was living in a sexual sin according to the Bible AND hadn't had their sin washed away by the Lord Jesus. Because truly, I have done most of the sins listed in that verse. And lets be real? WHO among any of us hasn't lied? ( well maybe George Washington but....you know what i mean.) :D Incidently what I am MOST concerned with in that verse is the second person mention....just a unbeliever.. YIKES. :eek:

NK..i believe it is a real place. There is more descriptions other than revelation, if like WG and Dave, you don't take that book literal. (revelation i mean)

(Dave chime in here anytime)

Uuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhh... what was the question? http://www.nwdiveclub.com/images/smilies/eusa_doh.gif http://www.nwdiveclub.com/images/smilies/dontknow.gif You know how it is with us slow-witted guys...

Dave,

Only kidding and anyone that has taken a look at your profile has GOT to know that.

WG... interesting questions and thoughts. I will get back to you.

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Originally Posted by classyT

hmmmm? Interesting Joe. VERY interesting.

However, 13% of what Jesus had to say concerning hell doesn't say we get a second chance. Believe you me, I would LOVE that. I have dear people in my life who are atheist.

But consider these verses: Revelation 22:11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy."

and then of course this one which is horrible : Rev. 21: 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

What do you make of that. It sounds to ME...in whatever state we die..we stay in that state. Or do you think I have that wrong...I don't know? any thoughts?

That has nothing to do with what I wrote does it?

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Originally Posted by classyT

NK..i believe it is a real place. There is more descriptions other than revelation, if like WG and Dave, you don't take that book literal. (revelation i mean)

So which parts of the bible are literal and which aren't? So hell is indeed a fiery sulphur lake?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

So which parts of the bible are literal and which aren't? So hell is indeed a fiery sulphur lake?

"The mountains and hills will burst into song before you, and all the trees of the field will clap their hands" (Isaiah 55:12) is not literal.

Hell is standing in line and never getting to the cashier.

Is heaven a real place?

If we could work out how many angels can dance on the point of a needle then perhaps there is an answer.

Angles dancing on the point of a needle was probably introduced to mock medieval scholasticism. However, I think the answer is probably in the millions if not billions.

If heaven is a real place then hell would be too.

Tut

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Originally Posted by classyT

hmmmm? Interesting Joe. VERY interesting.

However, 13% of what Jesus had to say concerning hell doesn't say we get a second chance. Believe you me, I would LOVE that. I have dear people in my life who are atheist.

But consider these verses: Revelation 22:11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy."

and then of course this one which is horrible : Rev. 21: 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

What do you make of that. It sounds to ME...in whatever state we die..we stay in that state. Or do you think I have that wrong...I don't know? any thoughts?

Yep, I'm burning in hell. Good thing I already reserved my seat on the bus.

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Originally Posted by hheath541

yep, i'm burning in hell. good thing i already reserved my seat on the bus.

Can I have Edith and the kids?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Can I have Edith and the kids?

Sure, but I'm hoping to live for at least a bit longer before I have to cash in that ticket.

It's a good thing I'm not going to the christian afterlife. Heaven would never let me in and I'm pretty sure I would just confuse the devil.

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Originally Posted by hheath541

it's a good thing i'm not going to the christian afterlife.

You might be surprised where you end up. Plus, I'm going to be in charge of kitty litter scooping in heaven, so I'll be glad for your help.

I will go to limbo, or whatever you want to call it, while my soul faces and processes all that happened in this life. When I'm ready, I'll move on and wait to be reborn.

Rather or not limbo will be a pleasant place, I cna't say. I guess it all depends on how my life turns out.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

So which parts of the bible are literal and which aren't? So hell is indeed a fiery sulphur lake?

NK,

I believe it is a fiery sulphur lake that doesn't illuminate light, because in other parts of the bible, Jesus describes it as outer darkness, or completely dark. Can't see your hands in front of your face. Also you can hear weeping according to the Lord.

I think Revelation is the only book that Dave, ( who I consider very smart, regardless of my teasing) doesn't take as being literal. I think there is a lot of symbolism in Revelation but that is for another thread.

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Originally Posted by TUT317

Is heaven a real place?

If we could work out how many angels can dance on the point of a needle then perhaps there is an answer.

Angles dancing on the point of a needle was probably introduced to mock medieval scholasticism. However, I think the answer is probably in the millions if not billions.

If heaven is a real place then hell would be too.

Tut

If you believe the Bible.. Hell is a real place, Heaven is a real place. The Bible doesn't discuss dancing angels on heads of pin. No matter how profound that may seem. :confused:

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Originally Posted by hheath541

i will go to limbo, or whatever you want to call it, while my soul faces and processes all that happened in this life. when i'm ready, i'll move on and wait to be reborn.

There's no more Limbo. The Catholic Church got rid of it. You're out of luck and are stuck with me and the kitty litter.

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Originally Posted by TUT317

If we could work out how many angels can dance on the point of a needle then perhaps there is an answer.

Hello? The answer is: NONE! Everybody knows dancing is a sin!! Duh!

:D:D:D:D:D:D

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

There's no more Limbo. The Catholic Church got rid of it. You're out of luck and are stuck with me and the kitty litter.

Hmmm... I was unaware the catholic church possessed that level of power. Whodathunk?

An eternity of cleaning out litter boxes sounds an awful lot like hell to me. Shouldn't all the cats in heaven be toilet trained, or something?

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Originally Posted by hheath541

hmmm...i was unaware the catholic church possessed that level of power. whodathunk?

an eternity of cleaning out litter boxes sounds an awful lot like hell to me. shouldn't all the cats in heaven be toilet trained, or something?

I'll start praying about that tonight. Good idea. Since the lion will lie down with the lamb, why not toilet-trained cats? Then you and I can spend all our time in the celestial kitchen baking brownies and making cupcakes.

Brownies from heaven sound real good to me! :)

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I'll start praying about that tonight. Good idea. Since the lion will lie down with the lamb, why not toilet-trained cats? Then you and I can spend all our time in the celestial kitchen baking brownies and making cupcakes.

I'm more at home with power tools than a stove.

I think I'll leave heaven to you. Maybe I'll be lucky and be reborn as a cat.

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Originally Posted by hheath541

i'm more at home with power tools than a stove.

i think i'll leave heaven to you. maybe i'll be lucky and be reborn as a cat.

Jesus was a carpenter. He might need your help.

If you come back as a cat, please be potty trained.

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Originally Posted by classyT

If you believe the Bible..Hell is a real place, Heaven is a real place. The Bible doesn't discuss dancing angels on heads of pin. No matter how profound that may seem. :confused:

Hi Wondergirl

I believe the Bible is accurate when it comes to heaven and hell.

Apparently St. Thomas addressed the problem in the Middle Ages. Even more amazing is the fact that some physicists have actually attempt to work out the number of angles that would fit on the point of a needle.
I am not sure if they allowed room for dancing in their calculations.

Based on this one would assume that heaven and hell are extremely tiny places.

Tut