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The question for me personally. I would like to know everybodies opinion, thoughts and even biblical response to this question.
Question is, is it a sin to get tattoos. Is it forbidden? Is there anything wrong with getting tattoos and if there is anything wrong with it?
I have thought about getting a couple before, and I thought of it again.
Thank you in advance!
Oh, and if I did get one it would be my boys name and date of birth on one arm. A religious cross on the other.
Joe
Well the only thing that I can remember is that the bible does say that our bodies are houses and temples of God. He created it and it is His. If you defile it, it is like defiling a place of God. But, I always understood this as abusing ourselves and our bodies through addictions (from sex to food to drugs) and other self-destructive behavior.
So, I wouldn't call getting tattoos an abuse of the body... unless it is part of a self-destructive behavior. Do I make any sense?
I hope someone with more expertise can tell you more!
Hi Joe,
Check this link out.
Tattoos and Religion
Personally, I feel there's is nothing wrong with a decent tattoo.
-Kae
I do not see anything wrong with a tattoo like you described. My pastor would disagree, saying a tattoo is defiling God's temple - your body. But one has to use common sense on this. If you are really in doubt, talk to your pastor.
Since I got a PM about this one, I will merely paste and copy my PM answer here:
Yes I read it and it appeared to be answered OK, and I had nothing really more to add.
Lev 19 ( I think) addresses it but it does in the context of cutting and tattoo for the dead, that was a custom in those day from pagan practice to mark your body as a help to move the person from this world to the next. Beyond that I don't know of tattoo for looks and fun like we do now.
And if you read all of that chapte you will see all sorts of things that are sins for that time and place.
So my feeling is that the mention in Lev is not related to what we do and call tattoos today, since it is not done for a religious purpose (normally)
I have nothing against them, 3 of my 5 sons have them ( one of my sons is 6 and better not have one)
I almost got one while in the military and a little part of me still would like one.
I think they can be nice looking.
So my vote Not a Sin
Well since I do not believe, I do not sin;). I look at things from -is it moral?
Hurts no other --so its moral. [ had to stick my 2 cents in lol]
Thank you for your 2 cents. 3 cents more and I could buy a small candy. Lol
Jesushelper,
Lol... where?! I didn't think you could get anything for a nickel anymore!
At the corner store. Don't ask me which one. It might be hard to find. Lol
Personally I think its fine to get a tat, when I was a christian I thought it was fine too. I mean as long as you don't put something evil on you. As a nonreligious person ill say I think you should do what you want. It is your body, you see it everyday and live with it. If you love your child or family or w/e that much gosh do what you want. And some of the things in the bible are more like guidelines :)
hi, I can help you, in the book of leviticus it tells us not to get tattoos, but after Jesus was born he overcame the law with his Grace and therefore before Jesus was born it would have been a sin to get a tattoo, but not after Jesus came... so you can get tattoos and not be doing anything biblically wrong as long as they are not tatttoos symbolizing evil... if you have any more bible questions feel free to ask me... or you can ask Phoenix First Assembly 2006 if you like also... take care and may God Bless you... trust Jesus in all thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by Jesushelper76
It always makes me smile when folks say the Old Testament does not apply since Jesus`s coming. [ though it will be quoted right of the bat when it comes to gays]Quote:
Originally Posted by Bairdh
Lets look at what Jesus said about the Old Testament
1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.
2) "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)
3) "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
4)Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)
5) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,. " (John 1:17).
6) “...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35
So please point out where JESUS says to the old testament is void.
I never said it did not apply as a whole, I said that specific section in leviticus did not apply anymore, don't put words in my mouth, and things about gays are also in new testament, you don't have a ministry if your job is to tear people down, and putting words in their mouth is doing that
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Originally Posted by Jesushelper76
Tattoos are permanent marks or designs made on the skin by puncturing it and filling the punctures with indelible ink. The practice is a desecration of the human body and should not be permitted, unless all that is involved is the placing of a blood type or an identification number in an obscure place.
YE are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead. (Deuternomy 14:1.)
The Hebrew word - gaw-dad' - translated as cut in English versions means to penetrate, to cut, and to cut into, which is the method of tattooing both in ancient times and today. (It also can mean to attack in a body, as with scimitars and scythes etc).
The reasons seem to be that the Israelites (the faithful, obedient ones) should distinguish themselves by not following after the fashions of their heathen neighbours.
Exodus 19.5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine:
Psaloi 135.4 For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.
Israel - the men, or people, of God were to be a people 'set apart,' which is to say, 'consecrated' to serving God. That such a distinction was held to persist in the NT Church might be seen in 1 Peter 2.9: But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
Peculiar is not odd or weird, but distinct in habit, dress, behaviour and bodily adornment to the extent that no one would conmfuse them
Helpful?
M:)RGANITE
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Well, Mr Savage, that's a whole nother question. My response to the question - were anyone to ask it - would be that ancient Israel had two table of law: one was the Godly moral law, and the second was the Mosaic Code.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSavage
Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the Mosiac Code (see the Book of Hebrews), but did not remove any responsibility from the faithful in regard to observing the Moral Law.
Sifting through the Book of Leviticus - the Priestly Holiness Code and Book of Rutual Deeds - and dividing strictly ritual acts from the interwoven moral requirements of the people of God pays dividends. It shows that while we do not have to slaughter anuimals any more, Chjrist being the ultimate and complete sacriofice of which anuimakls were bnut anticipatory types or models, we do have to be moral beings because God is Moral, and true worship consists of imitating the One worshipped. Therefore, as God is holy, we must also be holy. Etc.
If you get my drift.
M:)RGANITE
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Originally Posted by Jesushelper76
Anything we do that stumbles another person into is a sin moving away from God via rejecting his Word or else via running from those who are supposed to be Christians is a sin. That includes tattoos.
Romans 14:21 It is good not to eat meat or to drink
Ray, how do you stop being a Christian? Are you sure you were one before? Are you just out of fellowship? Are you still in touch with God but disenchanted with organized religion?The reason I ask, is true Christianity cannot leave a person's heart. Once the Holy Spirit enters the heart, there is no getting Him out. Please explore what I am asking and get back to me please. Blessings to you, sweetie.
Jesushelper, I think the tatoos you described sound sweet. I actually think God would be pleased. I did hear that some things listed in the Bible had to do with that day and age as FR Chuck stated. God is more concerned with your heart and your heart seems fine to me. Carry on my good brother!
My Tattoo:
יחוח
Can't size it right... it's God's Name.
Far from declaring what he called the 'scripture' void, Jesus referred to it often. However, he does inform Christians that some of the old ritual requirements are kaput and that a higher law of the gospel is now in force.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSavage
Matthew uses the Hebrew scriptures to set out his case before Hebrews that Jesus is the mashiach, which he certainly would not do if the OT was consigned to the dustbin by Jesus. It is Jesus who said:
"Search the scriptures (Hebrew Scriptures, or The Old Testament), for in them ye think ye have eternal life, and they are they that testify of me."
It is necessary to separate the moral law and commandments in the OT from the Mosaic ritual laws that are there. It is the latter that is fulfilled in Jesus, but the former, as Paul repeatedly admonishes, remains in force and is required as essential of those who follow Christ..
"Love and do as you please," is Gnosticism not Christianity.
My best friends nana, who we buried today (bless her soul!) always insisted tattoos are a pretty form of self harming. I think for some people she is right. However, I have three tattoos, and always got them for good things not bad, and I love them to this day.
From a practical point of view, tattoos need to be done by a very good qualified certified artist, to reduce the risk of infection, and also to help prevent ending up with a dodgy tattoo (most of us have seen someone with one of those!)
Hi Squiffy. Welcome to this awsome site. I already met a few really nice people and you are definitely nice... I'll vouch for you anytime.
Sorry about your best friend's nana. I hope she went peacefully.
Hi sexy beasty! Yeah friends nana went very peacefully in the end, she just slipped away no pain or anything. She was a right old character! This site looks fab, and maybe get on better here than back on wondir lol!
I will miss wondir though. You guys are such a bunch of good friends. You are fortunate to be able to get on.
I am trying my humor out on the folks here a little at a time... don't want to scare them. LOL. They seem to like me so far. I like to mix the heavy with the light... well, you know that about me and they WILL.
Glad the nana went in peace. Peace to you sweetie.
Now I realize why there are so many new members. Wondir shut down.
I remember going through that with ASKME.COM, I have been on other sites since then but this is my favorite right now.
You are all going to love it here, I believe. Lots of good people. Some with a good sense of humour and some without but you guys stick around long enough you will get to know a lot of different people which is the best thing about this site.
Have fun and mix the light with the heavy.
Joe
I have to be honest, jesushelper, wondir didn't shut down... they shut me down. I have a crazy sense of humor. I love to answer seriously as well as have fun with my friends on the site. I hung around Religion and Philosophy.
Someone was complaining once that the moderators need to step in more, as we get off subject sometimes and tell jokes of the day and so forth. We were just getting to be good friends, that's all. One day, a friend got the boot. We knew it was the moderators as they were deleting post after post. I and a friend were going on about censorship and boom... I got booted.
They won't even let be have any access to the site. I am using my old handle on this site. I contacted wondir through my son's site.. covert operation, and under a guest name, since I lost my history and screen name, told my peeps what was going on. Crazy.
I may be able to be reinstated. I do like this site though and will be staying. Boy am I LONG WINDED or what?? That is the story. I am searching for defectors there, or at least visitors from there. Squiffy is a wondir member presently. The screen name is the same on both sites.
I am still working on reinstatement. LOL... and good luck to me. As you can see, I have a big mouth and wondir doesn't like a big mouth.
I will be honest. The original reason why I came here is because I got suspended on another site. Answerway.com
There was a bunch of goings on and many people complaining about others. Next thing you know the site owner went all mad. Suspended like 10 or more of us all at within days.
The reason I got suspended was because I asked why did a certain member get suspended they did not do anything. Next thing you know all questions about the ones getting suspended and the reasons were erased and I was suspended for asking the question. Did I ever pounce on management.
Anyway, We all have our own stories I guess. I guess you could tell I am similar.
Joe
Guess we are a couple of Big Mouths. Hee hee.
I understand monitoring abuse, but what is abusive in questioning management? I tried to get reinstated today, you know, with the same screen name but it came back error. Twice.That never used to happen.
They have new owners, I hear, and MUCH stricter policies. I seemed to be permanently banished with only bread and water. O.k. I'm having Evian and french bread, but you get the picture.
Lol,
It is there loss. Answerway has never been the same since they went all nutty with their extreme right wing, religious monitoring that if they did not agree with anything they just banned you and erased your answers or questions. You were not allowed to question anything, it got you banned. It is crazy. I rather be a big mouth and speak my mind and speak up for what is right.
Oh, I get the picture.
I guess wondir isn't the only heavy handed site. Well, you are a welcome person on this site. My first friend. Awww.
What time is it there in Canada? I live in California, USA. It is 2:30pm here.
It depends on your location in Canada, as it does in the USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by sexybeasty
I was told that Christian fundamentalists had claimed Answerway for their private pulipit and would not brook contrary opinions. They have even been called bigots. A sorry state of affairs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesushelper76
God gave us brains to think and mouthys to speak. Why not use them?
Morganite, you are funny. I think you know I was asking Jesushelper what time where he is, wherever that is in Canada. I have my eye on you Morganite... both eyes in fact. Take care you crazy kook! LOL
On your last post, morganite, you are right... "a sorry state of affairs."
But you are still a crazy kook. Talkz later.
Right now it is 6:30 pm.
Well I don't see anything wrong with taking a tattoo I had one before and there's nothing wrong with it ( as far as I know)
Is your tattoo pink, pink?
What a shame... that allowing people to be themselves, to have an opinion will get them booted from a site!
I don't always agree with people, and trust me... people don't always agree with me, but I always respect another's right to be who they are and say what they believe. It's a shame that people can't understand that a vast variety of personalities and views is a benefit to all of us...
I'm glad I found this place, glad I'm getting to know some of the people here.
Lool I love pink but my tattoo isn't pink !
You need to examine your motives for thinking of getting a tattoo. Is it so you can 'fit in'?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesushelper76
Usually when a person has to ask if something is a sin or not, they already know it is... why else ask??
Getting a tattoo of a Cross won't make you more spiritual, you will become less spiritual.
The Bible teaches against marking or piercing our bodies, as it is associated with idol worship. Some might say that it was the Old Testament and that's not for today. I believe that if one must err; then err on the side of caution.
You have not indicated as to whether you are a Christian... that is, have you been born again? Have you asked Jesus to forgive you of your sins and asked Him to come into your heart?
I hope this helps you.
I think it's totally okay to get them. I think tattoos should mean something to you personally (and it's obvious the ones you said you thought of getting do.) before my mom got one (she got it when I was 16), when I was about 13 I started talking about wanting one. And she flipped because she is ver religious. Then I told her what I wanted, which was 7 stars because in revolation, angels are refer to as stars, and 7 is a holy number of complition. I told her I wanted to feel God with me, and he's angels protecting me, fully and complitly. And that is sincerely why I want that tattoo.
She ended up getting one before me.
It's a personaly choice. It's your body and yours alone. But it is God's timple. I think you have every right to decorated it h ow you please, as long as you are polluting it.
Well, I'm a Messianic Jew, and in Jeish religion, it is unthinkable to get a tattoo. However, I don't feel that way. I have a tattoo on my back, and I would never think of removing it. I don't see anything wrong in getting a tattoo, because though it says in the bible to not pierce or mark the body, there are many customs that we do not follow anymore, including the sacrificing of animals.
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