Is it true it is a sin to eat pork?
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Is it true it is a sin to eat pork?
That depends on what your religion is, dear. Not everyone believes the same, but in some religions it is because pork is considered unclean.Quote:
Originally Posted by kepi
I didn't notice this was in the Christian thread. Sorry. Christians eat pork. Maybe they eat a little too much at times.
There are some interesting thoughts on the subject on the following site.
Clean and Unclean meats: a Christian perspective
According to the new testament it is not what you put in your mouth that makes you dirty but what comes out of your mouth.
Whatever you think for yourself is good to eat, will be.
Whatever you think is not good for yourself won't be.
It is up to each individual.
I eat pork.
Joe
Some religions believe that eating pork is a sin but others disagree. I believe it is a sin to eat foods for the wrong reasons and therefore I eat to satisfy my stomach and not out of pleasure. This has to do with sweets as well and beef and pork and if you eat any food for the wrong readons this may be considered a sin. I think some people think that it is a sin to eat red meat also like beef but it is okay once in a while and is needed for protein. Some people also believe that it is a sin not to be a vegetarian but it just depends on the person, some people just eat the fruits and leafs of the earth such as salads, fruits and some eat fish but not all of them as I wouldn't consider it a vegetarian. Back in the bible days everyone mostly ate veggies, fruits, and fish! A friend of mine is Hindu and she will not eat pork and gets sick at the smell of bacon, actaully she is not suppose to eat meat at all or in only special occasion but she does eat meat but NO pork at all but that is her religion.
My goodness I hope not or I'll be going to hell for sure. In addition to what Joe said, Romans 14 puts it this way:Quote:
Is it true it is a sin to eat pork?
In other words, it's up to you. As for me, I love it - grilled, fried, barbecued, in fajitas or coated in mushroom gravy. :cool:Quote:
2 One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.
3 The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him.
4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
6 He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.
I'd like to add the following to the previous responses:
Acts 10
Peter went up on the roof to pray.
10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance.
11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners.
12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air.
13 Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
14 "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."
15 The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."
This addresses the question, as well.
As a side issue, I often like to use this (especially verse 13) when confronted by people about my proclivity to hunting. ;)
I'm a Christian who believes that pork is unclean based on God's Word. I simply call it a "food law." I don't think that people, including Christians, who eat pork will go to hell but I don't think that they will be as healthy as they could be. I lived on a ranch as a young adult and I spent 3 years in the FFA (Future Farmers of America) during high school. Pigs will eat anything and everything including their own droppings. They are the vacuum cleaners of the earth. They are packed full of parasites and are immune to most of the diseases that they pick up because that's how God made them.Quote:
Originally Posted by nymphetamine
Pork is not the only unclean food to eat but that's another topic for another time.
I am a Christian and I have never heard of eating pork being a sin, so I think it's okay.
So you do not have any reference for What Jesus says in the new testament?Quote:
Originally Posted by ActionJackson
It is only a sin if you are a Jew and you keep the law. Jesus was a Jew, he kept the law and I'm sure he never touched it. A Christian today is free to eat and drink whatever they want to unless they are over indulging.
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Originally Posted by Jesushelper76
So as long as I think that eating E.coli is good, it will be? If I think that eating human flesh is good, will it be? I will definitely need references for this one.
I Do Not Think That It Is A Sin At All To Eat Pork But It Also Depends On Your Religion Or What You Believe In! Weather You Want To Eat Pork Or Not Is All Up To You.
If you believe that Jesus is God and that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, then there are plenty of references in the Whole Testament which is the Word of God in its entirety. Peter understood that pork was unclean when he had his vision. Many will claim that the interpretation of his vision means that pork is now clean to eat. However, his vision had to do with men and their converstion to Christianity... not meat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesushelper76
Nonetheless, anyone who has had the opportunity to watch pigs will know that they are vacuum cleaners. They are fun to watch and I think they are a neat animal in many ways but I wouldn't eat pork unless by very life depended on it.
Jesus was also our example. If we conclude that He lived His way His way and we are free to live ours our way, then where do we draw a line? Are we each free to do whatever pleases ourselves as individuals? If you say yes, then you are in full agreement with the teachings of secular humanism which is in total opposition to Christianity and its tenets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
Aren't most pigs that are sold for meat kept in better sanitary conditions than most hospitals? I was always told that they are exclusively grain fed and never touch a dirt ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by ActionJackson
http://www.thepigsite.com/articles/8...atest-concepts
Your really twisting things here now, arnt you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ActionJackson
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Originally Posted by ActionJackson
Jesus said, it is not what is put in your mouth that defiles you, but what comes out of it. That is written.
Joe
I haven't been to every pig ranch that there is but I have been to a couple that claim to be very clean and sterile. The first thing I noticed in both cases was the horrendous stench. Most of the workers there used gas masks. One of the places I went to was feeding slop that had grain mixed in with it. I don't know for sure what else was in it but I wouldn't have eaten it even if I had been one of the pigs. The other place claimed to feed their pigs corn. Most of the corn came from the floors of canneries in surrounding counties. Again, it certainly wasn't something I would have put on my plate. There is no guarantee at any pig ranch anywhere that the pigs aren't eating their own droppings or the droppings of their next door neighbor. Now I only visited for a short time. My eyes burned and it just plain stunk. They seemed to have been kept fairly clean but certainly not cleaner than a hospital. Perhaps there are some out there that do fit the criteria you mentioned but I wouldn't bet on it. Whatever the case may be, I'll stick to free-range beef.Quote:
Originally Posted by alkalineangel
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Originally Posted by ActionJackson
Hey AJ,
Give me a break! JESUS fulfilled the LAW. I LOVE the way you "rightly divide" the Word. I am SO SURE that when Peter had the vision and was told to get up and EAT the "unclean" food that what God was REALLY saying was don't DO IT. I'm trying to not get irritated but my goodness that is just SILLY! JESUS WAS A JEW! He followed the Law. I'm a Christian... I live under Grace and He said EAT IT so I DO. The Lord isn't confusing here in the least. As far as doing whatever we please... where did that come from? Why don't you read Paul Epistles? Paul had to get on Peter... he had a tendency to slip back into the Jewish mind set and put himself back under the Law... hmmmmm? Reminds me of someone else...
He also told the Pharisees that cleaning the outside of a cup means nothing if the cup is filthy inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesushelper76
Of course, in both of our examples, Christ wasn't talking about food but about words and attitudes.
What we put in ourselves is most certainly important. We can all agree that there are some things that are just plain bad for us and some things that are good for us. If everything we ate was always good for us just because we thought it, then I would live on Snickers Bars.
You said it, straight up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
If you read the entire passage, you will find the interpretation of his vision a few paragraphs down. The discussion had to do with whether a person who was not of the tribe Judah could receive salvation. Paul believed that the Word should be taught to the Gentiles (nations of lost Israel) while Peter thought of them as unclean barbarians. He went to sleep and had his dream or vision. At first he didn't understand what the dream meant because he knew that it was wrong to eat unclean food. He then came to the realization that it had to do with the spreading of gospel. I truly urge you to slow down, relax, and read the Word of God before reacting so violently. I'm not trying to mislead anyone. I'm not saying these things for my health. I've been a student of the Bible for 25 years and I may be dumb but I'm not stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
[QUOTE=ActionJackson]He also told the Pharisees that cleaning the outside of a cup means nothing if the cup is filthy inside.
Of course, in both of our examples, Christ wasn't talking about food but about words and attitudes.
What we put in ourselves is most certainly important. We can all agree that there are some things that are just plain bad for us and some things that are good for us. If everything we ate was always good for us just because we thought it, then I would live on Snickers Bars.[/QUOT
SO! Don't eat snickers... don't EAT pork if you think pigs are gross! That is a personal preference! Just stop twisting the scriptures to make your personal preference seem HOLY... cause it ain't. I'm free to eat Pork... the BIble says so! In fact, I'm going to go fry up some bacon right now... yummy!
Eat it until the cows come home and then eat it some more. As for me, I choose to eat clean food that God, not Tessy, says is clean. I don't eat catfish either. They're certainly not corn fed but are bottom feeders. They are the vacuums of the water. Since Christians are under the moral Law of God I prefer to reach for that standard as best I can. When I fall, I pray for Christ's forgiveness and try again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
If you had read my first response to this post you would have seen that I don't believe that people who eat pork are hellbound. However, our body is the temple of the Holy Ghost and should be treated as such. If it's okay to eat pork, then it's okay to smoke cigarettes (it's just tobacco which is part of God's creation, right?)
[QUOTE=Tessy777]It might go to your thighs if you don't watch it. Anyway, be my guest... eat vacuum meat if it feels good but don't say that the "Bible says so" because it don't!Quote:
Originally Posted by ActionJackson
[QUOTE=ActionJackson]Lol... does too!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
[quote=ActionJackson]ACTIONJACKSON,Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
Your twisting the bible to suit your own interests.
The bible says lots of things but your twisting it to suit your own beliefs. The bible states a lot of things about food, exceptance of food.
The new testament is being ignored by you completely and this argument is pointless because you think your right even though the bible and Jesus states other then what your trying to preach.
I am done here. You need to except that people here actually might have more knowledge about the bible and why they believe what they do without you twisting words, which exactly what you have been doing on this whole thread.
Goodnight everybody, and I can not wait to cook my pork chops tomorrow. I do not need to ask forgiveness because I am not doing anything wrong.
Joe
[QUOTE=Tessy777]Prove your point with God's Word... not Tessy'sQuote:
Originally Posted by ActionJackson
[QUOTE=Jesushelper76]I'm simply asking for biblical proof from you and/or Tessy. I guarantee you that I can come up with more Bible verses against the eating or even touching of pork than you can FOR it. Cigarettes are bad for you but they are just a green leaf. Should we eat or smoke tobacco?Quote:
Originally Posted by ActionJackson
From the New Testament, we read about the teaching of Jesus on holiness:
"Are you so dull?" he (Jesus) asked, "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him unclean? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.' For from within, out of men's hearts come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance, and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man 'unclean'."
Mark 7:18-23
I will come up with more later, but I am past my bedtime now.
You can NOT come up with more biblical passages about NOT eating pork unless you go back to the old testament under the law. You CANNOT mix law with grace... they DON'T mix. If you insist on being under the Law... go for it. I'm too tired to argue with you.
Me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
Apparently not as dull as others (you sound like a real Chirstian). Christ obviously was not talking about food. He was talking about a man's spiritual cleanliness. If you eat black tar, you will probably die due to the "unclean" manner in which you took care of your body.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesushelper76
Calling someone names is what Christ was talking about when He spoke of defiling yourself by what comes out of the mouth. Knowing what Christ said and living by what He said are clearly two different things.
The Old Testament is the WORD OF GOD. The same God who wrote the Old Testament wrote the New Testament. It's the SAME GOD. There aren't two different Gods competing with each other. If your Old Testament is so detestible to you then you ought to tear it up and throw it away after you black out all those things in the New Testament that you don't like. Heck, just throw your Bible away altogether and you won't have to read or live by any of it. Sheesh!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
My mother and her church always taught us that God cleansed it in the new testament. My niece married a Muslim that would not sit at a table where pork was served nor eat anything that contained pork products.Quote:
Originally Posted by kepi
Law and Grace go hand in hand. Christians seek to live by a high standard (the Law) set by God. Due to sin nature, we always fall short. When we fall short, we turn to Christ and ask His forgiveness. Through Grace, we are forgiven. Because we are forgiven, we feel grateful and try to please the Lord by living by His higher standard, the Law. And the cycle continues. Over a period, weeks, months, years, decades, we find that we are closer to living by God's standard, the Law, than we were years before. That lengthy process is called sanctification. Sanctification is a product of God's grace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
Law and grace go hand in hand.
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Originally Posted by ActionJackson
Thanks so much for settiing me straight... and here I thought that two different Gods were competing. Good to know. Now why would I need to throw my Bible out or blacken out parts I don't like when I could be like you! I will pull verses OUT of context... REFUSE... to look at WHO they are written DIRECTLY to, WHEN they were written... WHY it was Written and THEN when I find a verse that doesn't go along with what I THINK... I'll explain it all away and say OH! What God just said... he didn't mean at all... it was a metaphor. Your way is WAAAAAAAY more fun. Lol
As are a number of Christians, but I digress. Just one question, do you have a liver and a colon?Quote:
Originally Posted by ActionJackson
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