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Tessy777 · Jun 12, 2007, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by ActionJackson

Jesus was also our example. If we conclude that He lived His way His way and we are free to live ours our way, then where do we draw a line? Are we each free to do whatever pleases ourselves as individuals? If you say yes, then you are in full agreement with the teachings of secular humanism which is in total opposition to Christianity and its tenets.

Hey AJ,

Give me a break! JESUS fulfilled the LAW. I LOVE the way you "rightly divide" the Word. I am SO SURE that when Peter had the vision and was told to get up and EAT the "unclean" food that what God was REALLY saying was don't DO IT. I'm trying to not get irritated but my goodness that is just SILLY! JESUS WAS A JEW! He followed the Law. I'm a Christian... I live under Grace and He said EAT IT so I DO. The Lord isn't confusing here in the least. As far as doing whatever we please... where did that come from? Why don't you read Paul Epistles? Paul had to get on Peter... he had a tendency to slip back into the Jewish mind set and put himself back under the Law... hmmmmm? Reminds me of someone else...

ActionJackson · Jun 12, 2007, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Jesushelper76

Jesus said, it is not what is put in your mouth that defiles you, but what comes out of it. That is written.

Joe

He also told the Pharisees that cleaning the outside of a cup means nothing if the cup is filthy inside.

Of course, in both of our examples, Christ wasn't talking about food but about words and attitudes.

What we put in ourselves is most certainly important. We can all agree that there are some things that are just plain bad for us and some things that are good for us. If everything we ate was always good for us just because we thought it, then I would live on Snickers Bars.

JoeCanada76 · Jun 12, 2007, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by Tessy777

Hey AJ,

Give me a break! JESUS fullfilled the LAW. I LOVE the way you "rightly divide" the Word. I am SO SURE that when Peter had the vision and was told to get up and EAT the "unclean" food that what God was REALLY saying was don't DO IT. I'm trying to not get irritated but my goodness that is just SILLY! JESUS WAS A JEW! He followed the Law. I"m a Christian ...i live under Grace and He said EAT IT so I DO. The Lord isn't confusing here in the least. As far as doing whatever we please....where did that come from? Why don't you read Paul Epistles? Paul had to get on Peter ....he had a tendency to slip back into the Jewish mind set and put himself back under the Law.....hmmmmm? reminds me of someone else....

You said it, straight up.

ActionJackson · Jun 12, 2007, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by Tessy777

Hey AJ,

Give me a break! JESUS fullfilled the LAW. I LOVE the way you "rightly divide" the Word. I am SO SURE that when Peter had the vision and was told to get up and EAT the "unclean" food that what God was REALLY saying was don't DO IT. I'm trying to not get irritated but my goodness that is just SILLY! JESUS WAS A JEW! He followed the Law. I"m a Christian ...i live under Grace and He said EAT IT so I DO. The Lord isn't confusing here in the least. As far as doing whatever we please....where did that come from? Why don't you read Paul Epistles? Paul had to get on Peter ....he had a tendency to slip back into the Jewish mind set and put himself back under the Law.....hmmmmm? reminds me of someone else....

If you read the entire passage, you will find the interpretation of his vision a few paragraphs down. The discussion had to do with whether a person who was not of the tribe Judah could receive salvation. Paul believed that the Word should be taught to the Gentiles (nations of lost Israel) while Peter thought of them as unclean barbarians. He went to sleep and had his dream or vision. At first he didn't understand what the dream meant because he knew that it was wrong to eat unclean food. He then came to the realization that it had to do with the spreading of gospel. I truly urge you to slow down, relax, and read the Word of God before reacting so violently. I'm not trying to mislead anyone. I'm not saying these things for my health. I've been a student of the Bible for 25 years and I may be dumb but I'm not stupid.

Tessy777 · Jun 12, 2007, 08:02 PM

[QUOTE=ActionJackson]He also told the Pharisees that cleaning the outside of a cup means nothing if the cup is filthy inside.

Of course, in both of our examples, Christ wasn't talking about food but about words and attitudes.

What we put in ourselves is most certainly important. We can all agree that there are some things that are just plain bad for us and some things that are good for us. If everything we ate was always good for us just because we thought it, then I would live on Snickers Bars.[/QUOT

SO! Don't eat snickers... don't EAT pork if you think pigs are gross! That is a personal preference! Just stop twisting the scriptures to make your personal preference seem HOLY... cause it ain't. I'm free to eat Pork... the BIble says so! In fact, I'm going to go fry up some bacon right now... yummy!

ActionJackson · Jun 12, 2007, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Tessy777

Hey AJ,
...i live under Grace and He said EAT IT so I DO. The Lord isn't confusing here in the least. As far as doing whatever we please....where did that come from? Why don't you read Paul Epistles? Paul had to get on Peter ....he had a tendency to slip back into the Jewish mind set and put himself back under the Law.....hmmmmm? reminds me of someone else....

Eat it until the cows come home and then eat it some more. As for me, I choose to eat clean food that God, not Tessy, says is clean. I don't eat catfish either. They're certainly not corn fed but are bottom feeders. They are the vacuums of the water. Since Christians are under the moral Law of God I prefer to reach for that standard as best I can. When I fall, I pray for Christ's forgiveness and try again.

If you had read my first response to this post you would have seen that I don't believe that people who eat pork are hellbound. However, our body is the temple of the Holy Ghost and should be treated as such. If it's okay to eat pork, then it's okay to smoke cigarettes (it's just tobacco which is part of God's creation, right?)

ActionJackson · Jun 12, 2007, 08:11 PM

[QUOTE=Tessy777]

Originally Posted by ActionJackson

He also told the Pharisees that cleaning the outside of a cup means nothing if the cup is filthy inside.

Of course, in both of our examples, Christ wasn't talking about food but about words and attitudes.

What we put in ourselves is most certainly important. We can all agree that there are some things that are just plain bad for us and some things that are good for us. If everything we ate was always good for us just because we thought it, then I would live on Snickers Bars.[/QUOT

SO! don't eat snickers...don't EAT pork if you think pigs are gross! That is a personal preference! Just stop twisting the scriptures to make your personal preference seem HOLY...cause it ain't. I'm free to eat Pork...the BIble says so! In fact, i'm gonna go fry up some bacon right now...yummy!

It might go to your thighs if you don't watch it. Anyway, be my guest... eat vacuum meat if it feels good but don't say that the "Bible says so" because it don't!

Tessy777 · Jun 12, 2007, 08:16 PM

[QUOTE=ActionJackson]

Originally Posted by Tessy777

It might go to your thighs if you don't watch it. Anyway, be my guest...eat vacuum meat if it feels good but don't say that the "Bible says so" because it don't!

Lol... does too!

JoeCanada76 · Jun 12, 2007, 08:17 PM

[quote=ActionJackson]

Originally Posted by Tessy777

It might go to your thighs if you don't watch it. Anyway, be my guest...eat vacuum meat if it feels good but don't say that the "Bible says so" because it don't!

ACTIONJACKSON,

Your twisting the bible to suit your own interests.

The bible says lots of things but your twisting it to suit your own beliefs. The bible states a lot of things about food, exceptance of food.

The new testament is being ignored by you completely and this argument is pointless because you think your right even though the bible and Jesus states other then what your trying to preach.

I am done here. You need to except that people here actually might have more knowledge about the bible and why they believe what they do without you twisting words, which exactly what you have been doing on this whole thread.

Goodnight everybody, and I can not wait to cook my pork chops tomorrow. I do not need to ask forgiveness because I am not doing anything wrong.

Joe

ActionJackson · Jun 12, 2007, 08:28 PM

[QUOTE=Tessy777]

Originally Posted by ActionJackson

lol...does too!

Prove your point with God's Word... not Tessy's

ActionJackson · Jun 12, 2007, 08:30 PM

[QUOTE=Jesushelper76]

Originally Posted by ActionJackson

ACTIONJACKSON,

Your twisting the bible to suit your own interests.

The bible says lots of things but your twisting it to suit your own beliefs. The bible states a lot of things about food, exceptance of food.

The new testament is being ignored by you completely and this argument is pointless because you think your right even though the bible and Jesus states other then what your trying to preach.

I am done here. You need to except that people here actually might have more knowledge about the bible and why they believe what they do without you twisting words, which exactly what you have been doing on this whole thread.

Goodnight everybody, and I can not wait to cook my pork chops tommorow. I do not need to ask forgiveness because I am not doing anything wrong.

Joe

I'm simply asking for biblical proof from you and/or Tessy. I guarantee you that I can come up with more Bible verses against the eating or even touching of pork than you can FOR it. Cigarettes are bad for you but they are just a green leaf. Should we eat or smoke tobacco?

JoeCanada76 · Jun 12, 2007, 08:38 PM

From the New Testament, we read about the teaching of Jesus on holiness:

"Are you so dull?" he (Jesus) asked, "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him unclean? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.' For from within, out of men's hearts come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance, and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man 'unclean'."
Mark 7:18-23

I will come up with more later, but I am past my bedtime now.

Tessy777 · Jun 12, 2007, 08:43 PM

You can NOT come up with more biblical passages about NOT eating pork unless you go back to the old testament under the law. You CANNOT mix law with grace... they DON'T mix. If you insist on being under the Law... go for it. I'm too tired to argue with you.

JoeCanada76 · Jun 12, 2007, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Tessy777

You can NOT come up with more biblical passages about NOT eating pork unless you go back to the old testament under the law. You CANNOT mix law with grace....they DON'T mix. If you insist on being under the Law....go for it. I'm too tired to argue with ya.

Me too.

ActionJackson · Jun 12, 2007, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Jesushelper76

From the New Testament, we read about the teaching of Jesus on holiness:

"Are you so dull?" he (Jesus) asked, "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him unclean? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.' For from within, out of men's hearts come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance, and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man 'unclean'."
Mark 7:18-23

I will come up with more later, but I am past my bedtime now.

Apparently not as dull as others (you sound like a real Chirstian). Christ obviously was not talking about food. He was talking about a man's spiritual cleanliness. If you eat black tar, you will probably die due to the "unclean" manner in which you took care of your body.

Calling someone names is what Christ was talking about when He spoke of defiling yourself by what comes out of the mouth. Knowing what Christ said and living by what He said are clearly two different things.

ActionJackson · Jun 12, 2007, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Tessy777

You can NOT come up with more biblical passages about NOT eating pork unless you go back to the old testament under the law. You CANNOT mix law with grace....they DON'T mix. If you insist on being under the Law....go for it. I'm too tired to argue with ya.

The Old Testament is the WORD OF GOD. The same God who wrote the Old Testament wrote the New Testament. It's the SAME GOD. There aren't two different Gods competing with each other. If your Old Testament is so detestible to you then you ought to tear it up and throw it away after you black out all those things in the New Testament that you don't like. Heck, just throw your Bible away altogether and you won't have to read or live by any of it. Sheesh!

bushg · Jun 12, 2007, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by kepi

Is it true it is a sin to eat pork?

My mother and her church always taught us that God cleansed it in the new testament. My niece married a Muslim that would not sit at a table where pork was served nor eat anything that contained pork products.

ActionJackson · Jun 13, 2007, 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by Tessy777

You can NOT come up with more biblical passages about NOT eating pork unless you go back to the old testament under the law. You CANNOT mix law with grace....they DON'T mix. If you insist on being under the Law....go for it. I'm too tired to argue with ya.

Law and Grace go hand in hand. Christians seek to live by a high standard (the Law) set by God. Due to sin nature, we always fall short. When we fall short, we turn to Christ and ask His forgiveness. Through Grace, we are forgiven. Because we are forgiven, we feel grateful and try to please the Lord by living by His higher standard, the Law. And the cycle continues. Over a period, weeks, months, years, decades, we find that we are closer to living by God's standard, the Law, than we were years before. That lengthy process is called sanctification. Sanctification is a product of God's grace.

Law and grace go hand in hand.

Tessy777 · Jun 13, 2007, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by ActionJackson

The Old Testament is the WORD OF GOD. The exact same God who wrote the Old Testament wrote the New Testament. It's the SAME GOD. There aren't two different Gods competing with each other. If your Old Testament is so detestible to you then you ought to tear it up and throw it away after you black out all those things in the New Testament that you don't like. Heck, just throw your Bible away altogether and you won't have to read or live by any of it. Sheesh!

Thanks so much for settiing me straight... and here I thought that two different Gods were competing. Good to know. Now why would I need to throw my Bible out or blacken out parts I don't like when I could be like you! I will pull verses OUT of context... REFUSE... to look at WHO they are written DIRECTLY to, WHEN they were written... WHY it was Written and THEN when I find a verse that doesn't go along with what I THINK... I'll explain it all away and say OH! What God just said... he didn't mean at all... it was a metaphor. Your way is WAAAAAAAY more fun. Lol

speechlesstx · Jun 13, 2007, 06:35 AM

Originally Posted by ActionJackson

I don't eat catfish either. They're certainly not corn fed but are bottom feeders.

As are a number of Christians, but I digress. Just one question, do you have a liver and a colon?