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jillianleab · Oct 4, 2007, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by nigel5

Am afraid i have to agree with your argument...because its well organized and sticks to facts. good job.

Don't be afraid, we can agree on some things and disagree on others! :)

nigel5 · Oct 4, 2007, 09:00 AM

The historical evidence might be old but it indeed doesn't substitute for physical evidence of lets say, the death of Jesus or the flood. But look at it this way, the fact that the bible is centuries old with multiple translations and still can hold out with a document that is from the 1st century truly is amazing... well, to me it is :)

Capuchin · Oct 5, 2007, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by Capuchin

inthebox agrees: takes a 'childlike" faith and innocence. The more you think you know, the less likely you are to believe

It's also a well documented fact that people who know very little about a subject think they know more than people who know an average amount about the subject :). I believe the study into faith against education actually correlated how much people actually know, not how much they think they know.

cerulean · Oct 6, 2007, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by mountain_man

Who else matters but JESUS!! He is the "way the truth and the light, no man comes to the Father except through Him"

I can understand your thought processes on this belief, but I just know that what is taught in these times and attributed to "jesus christ" for the most part has been twisted. That's why so many Christians judge, they claim they don't but they do. I can't tell you how many people who said nothing to be verbally, were condemning me for this or that and the other thing. It is very inauthentic behavior for a person to behave in this, it makes others feel that sometimes when they don't comment, they are accepting, instead they are silently judging. I've had a lifetime of that. A lifetime of "enough already". :rolleyes:

cerulean · Oct 6, 2007, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by MoonlitWaves

Jillian is correct. The discovery of the scrolls does not prove that the happenings written actually took place.
No matter what scientists or archaeologists find, it will never be undeniable evidenced that God exisits. God wanted us to have free will. He wants us to choose Him. To have faith that He exists without physical undeniable evidenced. If there were undeniable evidenced that God exists then that choice would be eliminated. I mean sure you could still say He doesn't exists, but that would be the same as saying the sky isn't blue on a clear day. Maybe archaeologists are searching for their piece of mind, who knows. But if they are searching to prove God's existance they are wasting their time.

God is not a "Him" or a "He". You only have to look at women who create life inside their bodies, to see how creators of life would be more female than male.

However, Im not saying it's a She either. I can't stand people who use the woman "Mankind" either.. women have gotten a second place bad rap in this world thanks to religion.. and no one ever notices they are the ones giving birth to men.

Tj3 · Oct 6, 2007, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by cerulean

God is not a "Him" or a "He". You only have to look at women who create life inside their bodies, to see how creators of life would be more female than male.

However, Im not saying its a She either. I can't stand people who use the woman "Mankind" either.. women have gotten a second place bad rap in this world thanks to religion.. and noone ever notices they are the ones giving birth to men.

God refers to Himself as "He", and though one could argue whether it is appropriate or not, I think that we need to bow to His description as to how we should describe Him.

deist · Oct 7, 2007, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by Tj3

God refers to Himself as "He", and though one could argue whether it is appropriate or not, I think that we need to bow to His description as to how we should describe Him.

The bible is not the word of God. It is a man-made book written by "men" at a time when society was male dominated. God is neither male nor female, nor anything in between. We are not really created in God's image the way the bible claims. God is nothing like us at all, nor is It like anything in the creation. God is totally incomprehensible. To say we are created in God's image is nothing more than a human centered attempt at anthropomorphism, to bring God down to our level.

Capuchin · Oct 7, 2007, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by deist

The bible is not the word of God. It is a man-made book written by "men" at a time when society was male dominated. God is neither male nor female, nor anything in between. We are not really created in God's image the way the bible claims. God is nothing like us at all, nor is It like anything in the creation. God is totally incomprehensible. To say we are created in God's image is nothing more than a human centered attempt at anthropomorphism, to bring God down to our level.

I don't see how you can claim this with any more certainty than those who claim that God is either male or female..

Marily · Oct 7, 2007, 06:49 AM

I believe God inspired men to write the Bible, but I think u might differ which is okay :)

Fr_Chuck · Oct 7, 2007, 07:10 AM

We know that man will not understand God with his mind, it has always been so and we are told it is so. God can not be studied like a lab animal and is not subect to our rules and our desires. And HE is referred to as male, the Father, because he has told us to refer to him as such, Since even Christ hisself referred to God the Father, it is so no matter how much moderal liberals wish to take and change God in their image

nigel5 · Oct 7, 2007, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

We know that man will not understand God with his mind, it has always been so and we are told it is so. God can not be studied like a lab animal and is not subect to our rules and our desires. And HE is refered to as male, the Father, because he has told us to refer to him as such, Since even Christ hisself refered to God the Father, it is so no matter how much moderal liberals wish to take and change God in thier image

Agreed. Jesus said
"Even the father is greater than I"
Want to know who God is?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9FX9MapaNMA~
"I am who I am"

Tj3 · Oct 7, 2007, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by nigel5

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9FX9MapaNMA~
"I am who I am"

The link is corrupted.

savedsinner7 · Oct 7, 2007, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by deist

Are christians averse to researching anything that would contradict the bible no matter how true they might find it to be upon reading ? Every thinking christian owes it to themselves to research every source of possible contradiction, if for no other reason than being able to refute the contradictory material. Here are two good sites that every christian of intelligence ought to look into: God vs. the Bible & The Age of Reason.

Why would you question the Living God if you believe in Him? The Isrealites did this and were prohibited from entering the promised land. Have we lost the fear of the LORD?

deist · Oct 7, 2007, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by savedsinner7

Why would you question the Living God if you believe in Him? The Isrealites did this and were prohibited from entering the promised land. Have we lost the fear of the LORD?

I believe in a God, not the Hebrew, Christian, or Muslim gods. I don't believe the Torah, Bible, or Quran are the word of God. These are all merely man-made books.

Tj3 · Oct 7, 2007, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by deist

I believe in a God, not the Hebrew, Christian, or Muslim gods. I don't believe the Torah, Bible, or Quran are the word of God. These are all merely man-made books.

Then what is your standard of truth? What do you base your beliefs upon?

savedsinner7 · Oct 7, 2007, 06:47 PM

Whether you choose to believe in God, you will stand before Him in the day of judgment. What we believe does not dictate truth, Truth exits whether we believe it.

Originally Posted by deist

I believe in a God, not the Hebrew, Christian, or Muslim gods. I don't believe the Torah, Bible, or Quran are the word of God. These are all merely man-made books.

deist · Oct 7, 2007, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Tj3

Then what is your standard of truth? What do you base your beliefs upon?

My standard of truth, & my beliefs are based on science, & the culture I live in. If I lived in a different culture my beliefs would be correspondingly different. American culture doesn't believe in cutting off the hands of a thief, but other cultures in the world do.

Tj3 · Oct 7, 2007, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by deist

My standard of truth, & my beliefs are based on science, & the culture I live in. If I lived in a different culture my beliefs would be correspondingly different. American culture doesn't believe in cutting off the hands of a thief, but other cultures in the world do.

So if the basis for your belief in god, and the definition thereof is in part dependent upon your culture, do I understand you to say then that each culture much have a different god?

Also, how could a god dependent on culture of man be the one true Almighty God that created man?

michealb · Oct 8, 2007, 05:16 AM

Originally Posted by savedsinner7

Why would you question the Living God if you believe in Him? The Isrealites did this and were prohibited from entering the promised land. Have we lost the fear of the LORD?

I fear your god no more than I fear Zeus or the tooth fairy.

trueblooe · Oct 8, 2007, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by deist

Are christians averse to researching anything that would contradict the bible no matter how true they might find it to be upon reading ? Every thinking christian owes it to themselves to research every source of possible contradiction, if for no other reason than being able to refute the contradictory material. Here are two good sites that every christian of intelligence ought to look into: God vs. the Bible & The Age of Reason.

The bible itself is the foundation and pinnicale of all christian thought the bible itself does not lie there are no contradictions in it nor are there half truths as many claim In fact if you could find one prophecy in the old testamnt to be proven wrong then you can throw the bible away as being faulty and wrong The bible is like a wild lion in a cage you don't put the lion in the cage to protect him you put the lion in the cage to protect the reader if are really serious about the bible and you believe it to be Gods revealed revelation to man then it will defend itself No need to have some one defend it just open the cage door and examine it yourself I DARE YOU