Waltero, the answer has already been provided. It is simply a matter of some people being completely unwilling to believe. In John 3, for instance, a person can read this: "16 For God so loved the world,[i] that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God."

The reply will be to nitpick the meaning of "condemned". Having established a artificial list of narrowly defined conditions, and insisting that all of the conditions must be met by one text, it will then also be argued that "perish" is not a sufficiently strong word. And on and on it will go. I think you stated it pretty well earlier. I do not want to stand at the throne of judgement on that terrible day with my confidence having been placed in my good works. I will stand on that day with my faith in Jesus and no confidence whatsoever in any goodness I might think I have. We can argue about what lies beyond that day for unbelievers, but whatever a person might want to believe it is, I do not want to become part of it and am motivated to tell others that they also should avoid it at all costs.

I'm not sure where Athos stands with his faith. I have asked him but received no reply. I have asked him what he believes will happen to unbelievers but received no reply to that either.

Waltero didn't provide any kind of reference for the "eternal punishment" part, even though he did for all the others. I find that rather telling.

Walter, if you had been born into a Muslim family/society and were a devout Muslim, believing you have God's love, would you switch to being a Christian?

Here is the eternal punishment reference. As you well know, there are others.

Matthew 25. 41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

What is your point?

Your question has been acceptably answered. You just don't accept the answer which is certainly your prerogative. I'm still interested to find out what you believe happens to those who have not accepted Christ as Savior.

Um, Athos is the one who decides if the question has been answered adequately, not any of us responders.

Uhm... actually, we all get to make that decision ourselves as to whether the question has been answered. He is certainly most welcome to his own opinion as are you.

Athos' question has yet to be answered.

Give Athos some credit. It is a cleverly worded question, and I think intentionally so, but at the bottom of the question is a much simpler one: What happens to those who do not have faith in Christ? It is hard to imagine how much clearer the answer could be than the text found in John 3:14ff. Those who do not believe in Jesus, He says, are "condemned already". Now we can argue as to what that condemnation amounts to. Is it eternity in a lake of fire? Rev. 20 certainly seems to say so, but argue against that if you want to. (I'd still like to know what Athos and WG believe on that issue.) It still comes back to the question of how to avoid being under the righteous judgement of God. Cleverly worded questions aside, it is a clearly answered question in the New Testament, and it is hard for me to imagine why we would want to "muddy the waters" by the endless parsing of words. Such evasions will not profit those who stand before His throne on that terrible day.

Have read the entire book several times. I agree with many traditional sources that place the book during the reign of Domitian. As my favorite pastor always said, "Revelation was written in a code that has never been broken" and has to do with events in the first century A.D. Revelation was the last book accepted into the biblical canon and almost didn't make it. In 1522 Martin Luther called it "neither apostolic nor prophetic."

Mine is in my Savior, Jesus Christ.

I think your view of Revelation is very much a minority view. This, in particular, is an extremely questionable statement: "Revelation was the last book accepted into the biblical canon and almost didn't make it." Still, fair enough, and your Martin Luther reference was entirely correct. However, would you believe what Jesus said?

Matt. 10:28. " fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

Matt. 25:46. “And they shall go away into eternal punishment; but the righteous into everlasting life.”

Matt. 8:12. "And many an Israelite—those for whom the Kingdom was prepared—shall be cast into outer darkness, into the place of weeping and torment.”

Luke 16:22. "Finally the beggar died and was carried by the angels to be with Abraham in the place of the righteous dead.[c] The rich man also died and was buried, 23 and his soul went into hell.[d] There, in torment, he saw Lazarus in the far distance with Abraham."

Matt. 5:29. "And if your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it from you! For it is better for you that one of your members be destroyed than your whole body be thrown into hell."

Luke 10:15. " And you people of Capernaum, what shall I say about you? Will you be exalted to heaven? No, you shall be brought down to hell.”

"Revelation had the longest and hardest fight of any book to be recognized as inspired. Though numerous early authors quoted and approved of it, others argued against Revelation."
https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.c...-most-christia

Please do some research. Revelation had a tough time being accepted into the canon mostly because is the only explicitly eschatological work in the New Testament, its date of composition is generally taken to be far later than the other books, its content is dramatic, and its author is not certain. Though a few books have apocalyptic sections, no other New Testament work is apocalyptic from the first to last verse. (same resource as linked above)

The recognition of the NT canon, as I'm sure you know, is not a clearly understood historical occurrence. It's not as though a committee met very early in the process and pondered the book of Revelation as to its inclusion and then, on some date, all agreed it was in. It was a development more than an occurrence and the early historical records are somewhat sketchy.

Your link included the following: "Even though the East had trouble with the book, the West recognized Revelation as inspired fairly early. Jerome, Ambrose, Rufinus, Augustine, and Innocent all accept it as canonical.²⁶ The Third Council of Carthage (397) listed as canonical, and at the Third Constantinople Council officially ratified Revelation in 680."

Still, reject it if you want to. It still leaves a problem for you which is the many statements of Jesus. At least I guess it's a problem. You seem to love to make observations and yet never reach a conclusion. I sometimes think your Christian beliefs clash with your liberal leanings which makes it uncomfortable for you. Could be wrong about that.

Yep, you're wrong about that. And you painted only part of the picture about how Revelation finally ended up as part of the canon. At least, you read my link. <big grin>

Jesus was speaking to uneducated people who were a product of their times and culture. I'm betting He wouldn't say those same words to us in 2019.

If you think the history of the recognition of the NT canon is clear and well-documented, then you need to get out more.

Jesus wouldn't use the same words today? Well, He wouldn't speak in Aramaic. Other than that, what is your point? Do you think He would now say, "Sorry guys. I got it all wrong 2,000 years ago. There really is no hell, gay marriage is the way to go, and everyone should vote democrat."

You make me laugh sometimes. I frequently think you surely must be joking.