I have tried not to be this way but.. we have some neighbors upstairs.. they always make noise foot stompin loud mouth talking and just total freaking disrespect... today my grandmother slept here because she didn't want to be alone she doesn't feel so well..

These black people are upstairs showing all of us around that house disrespect I want to despratly go over and tell them to shut the freak up.. I personally don't care for the noise but its my grandma I'm worried about... my point is... look at today's society and all the disrespect... if you deal with this sort of thing I guarantee you will turn racist or learn to understand racist... white people and mexicans and chinese have more freakin sense then blacks, not all are the same but for the ones that make up the majority its black people...

God help me or I might burn there freaking house down with everything in it... how could a person be so disrespectful ? Its cruel and it's the "DEVIL!!!"

I was brought up with respect somewhere down the line I lost it, but I found it again.. black people will never find it which is why they will never get it! Enough said

Now I know why rich folks choose to be so far away from city people and I don't blame them peace and quiet is what I love the most about life a time to relax and think..

Anyway I had to get this out my system I'm so mad and angry I'm just trynna calm down..


p.s

There children have school tomorrow why are they up at 12.35 midnite loud mouth talking?
Shows how irresponsible there parents are.

And you choose to link these characteristics to the color of their skin, rather than the opportunities and the upbringing that they have been offered? Or other (huge number of) things that have shaped their personalities?

This post really tests my faith in humanity.

I know I'm wrong in this situation the noise has died down... I'm just saying.. in my 20 years of living... the majority of loud people in public area's are black... I just needed to speak it out. I've held things in too long and it destroys me inside now I feel good

Well, I have neighbors upstairs who stomp from 6 a.m. until after midnight. They are white. I am white. It is not race. It is plain disrespect for another person. That goes across all colors and cultures. If you talk to your neighbors please be polite. No swearing, even if you feel it is appropriate. Because it is not. You can explain in a nice way about your Grandma.

Also, document that. If the noise continues, take it to your caretaker/property manager. Check with your city's noise ordinance code. If it gets intolerable, do something legal.

I pretty sure my neighbors are more obnoxious because there seems to be 20 of them in one house , and what race are they they are WHITE... people of other races then blacks can be rude and disrespectfull. That's blasphamy.
What you have said is very ignorant...
I am black and I have been raised in very white neighbor hoods and I am not rich and white people can be just as disrespectful if not more at times. And I know how some stereotypical black people act because my grandparents live in a "ghetto" neighbor hood.
Its sad that you have let stereotypes control how you see people.

Ever lived next to those Penticostal, prayer and yelling about Christ all the time, ( OK, just proving a point, we can not blame a race for anything, we have to judge each person on their own basis)

I understand how noisy neighbors can be irritating and drive you nuts, maybe that is why you wrote the things that you did... you would have to be nuts to think that your neighbors are noisy because they are black and live in the city, can you be that sleep-deprived??
I live in a rural area, and am nowhere near rich. I love peace and quiet too, and put my house in the middle of 6 acres to ensure it. After eight years of quiet enjoyment, I have new neighbors... a white couple in their 20's with a small child. They have parties almost every Friday night that last until dawn. They blast bad music (he has a drumset in the garage and no apparent musical talent) burn brush when fire danger is high and set off fire-works into our yard late at night.

I thought they were a just an annoying couple, but thanks to you now I see that white people in their 20's are disrespectful, ignorant bad parents, not to mention their involvement with the devil!

I'm sure your poor old (you are 20, she is what? 65?) granny will sleep better knowing you are prepared to burn the whole house down so she can sleep!

Jasonanderson:

It is okay to vent here, I think I would be just as frustrated if I were in your position.

But the individuals upstairs are responsible for this, not their entire race.
The kindest exscuse for that kind of behavior is ignorance.

Please don't take matters into your own hands.

Agree with SHY... 's suggestion. Record the time, date, noise and contact the proper legal authorities.



Grace and Peace

i know im wrong in this situation the noise has died down... im just saying.. in my 20 years of living... the majority of loud people in public area's are black... i just needed to speak it out. ive held things in too long and it destroys me inside now i feel good

I meant to disagree with your statement. Most of it anyway.

Joe

Chuck, While I totally agree with your point, I'm uneasy with you lumping religion and race together. Religion is a (free) choice by an individual, different religions appeal to different types of people. You can make some (limited) conclusions based on the religion they follow.

Skin color is not a choice, it's a completely arbitrary way of separating people.

The religion issue, while similar, is far from a parallel to the race issue.

When you see the bad, and none of the good in people, then you have a problem that needs attention. If it persists for 20 more years, then not only have you not addressed the problem, but wasted 40 years of your so called life. Your fear has made you hate, and very unreasonably.

white people and mexicans and chinese have more freakin sense then blacks

Hahaha... no they don't. I'm Mexican and I'll tell you right now there are TONS of Mexicans who'd make those people above you sound like retirees during nap time.

For reference: I've met plenty of black people who are very quiet, mild-mannered and meek. And quiet latinos. And quiet whites. And quiet everyone else. And I've met LOUD people, too.

One thing I've learned repeatedly is that a$$holes are everywhere. Everywhere. They come in all different shapes and sizes and just about anyone can be a complete d!ck. I used to judge people instantly based on race... sometimes I still fall into that trap but I try to remember that there's always a counterexample.

You may have noticed tendencies and patterns and whatnot, but you've probably framed your mind to notice these things without noticing those events and observations that disrupt your perceptions and point of view. People also notice negatives more than they notice positives, so that's probably tainting your mindset.

Put simply: I know you know black people who aren't like that, but because you are more disturbed by rudeness than kindness, that's what stands out more than anything.

Anyway, if I were you I'd call the police and tell them to keep it down. There might be noise ordinances in your city so you may be able to have the law handle them. Good luck.

i have tried not to be this way but.. we have some neighbors upstairs.. they always make noise foot stompin loud mouth talking and just total freaking disrespect.... today my grandmother slept here because she didnt want to be alone she doesnt feel so well..

these black people are upstairs showing all of us around that house disrespect i want to despratly go over and tell them to shut the freak up .. i personally dont care for the noise but its my grandma im worried about... my point is... look at todays society and all the disrespect... if u deal with this sort of thing i guarentee you will turn racist or learn to understand racist... white people and mexicans and chinese have more freakin sense then blacks, not all are the same but for the ones that make up the majority its black people...

god help me or i might burn there freaking house down with everything in it...how could a person be so disrespectful ? its cruel and its the "DEVIL!!!"

i was brought up with respect somewhere down the line i lost it, but i found it again.. black people will never find it which is why they will never get it! enough said

now i know why rich folks choose to be so far away from city people and i dont blame them peace and quiet is what i love the most about life a time to relax and think..

anyways i had to get this out my system im so mad and angry im just trynna calm down..


p.s

there children have school tommorow why are they up at 12.35 midnite loud mouth talking?
shows how irresponsible there parents are.!
How you ever thought maybe some black people are louder because,They may have been direct descendants of slaves. Maybe they were taught the louder they were the more likely they will come out alive not beaten or raped or taken from their families. Most people back down from loud oppisition. This may have been how this loudness started and has just continued over the generations, even though it is not needed now. Another spin is when they were freed maybe that were just giddy with joy and it started like this. I agree I think some blacks are very loud. As a 6 year old child in the sixty's I was taken to the edge of town with my father and his family and we were to hollar the N word, throw rocks and bottles sometimes there would be huge fights I can remember my heart racing, I remember being called a cracker and pear. This is sad but true. My mom divorced my dad and we moved far away to a rural area where there was only white people. I was taught that people of color were inferior to whites, even my mom did this just in a nicer way.. we were told to not marry etc. anyone out of our race that it was a sin. I was also taught this about other religions, that these people were going to hell! When I was in the fourth grade, a very kind teacher spent a week discussing slavery in our history books, this planted the seed in my mind that the way black people were treated was very wrong. You may have thought that we would have already had that history lesson, but you must understand that some of my previous teachers may have been prejudice and refused to teach it. At the age of 18 I moved to the city and here I started to learn about other races hands on. I was very afraid of black men, and distrustful of most of the black women. Some of them hated me because of my southern accent ( some of them automatically assumed that all country people were prejudice. Where I worked at there was a lot of black people. I ended up working there around 13 years and believe me I met every type of black person you could imagine this included educated,uneducated, preachers, students, wives, husbands, drug dealers, drug abusers, quite, loud, fat, skinny, funny, sullen, really black, light skinned, nappy hair, good hair. Some I became friends with and did thingswith outside of work , and still see sometimes. And some I wouldn't acknowledge if I saw them on the street. It took many years of my life to come to terms with the things I was taught as a child and I will always deal with the things that were planted in my mind as a child good and bad. But we must see people as the individuals that they are and not lump anyone in a religion or a race and expect them to feel , act or think the same way as everyone in their group. There are variables even with white people. When people pi$$ me off I look at the action and not the color or what church they are from and I deal with it accordingly. If you do this then you have one issue to deal with and not two. :)peace

Have you asked your neighbour's upstairs to be a bit quieter?
I had a really noisy neighbour - load crashes constant music, leaving the telly on all night really loud. Well I went and spoke to him and he just didn't realise - not had a problem since. Sometimes people can be noisier than they realise, maybe they don't know how thin the walls are.

You can't expect people to be mind readers.

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I wish I could show you how genetically similar all people are.
"the number of DNA differences between races is tiny compared with the range of genetic diversity found within any single racial group."[1]
Do you know the protein which is responsible for skin colour has a point mutation in white people? Haha white people are the mutants!

Seriously please take time to read this
[1] Scientists Find A DNA Change That Accounts For White Skin (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/15/AR2005121501728.html)

Race and differences between are just constructs of misguided thoughts and people's inherent need to label and identify 'same.' He is wearing the same shirt/supports the same football team/ comes form my town - he must be all right. It's our lazy brains trying to work out which social interactions will be most beneficial to ourselves, which has sometimes disastrously negative consequences when taken much too far.

I hope this discussion with myself and the other posters can be a step towards a new, more tolerant you.

You're 20 now, take a look around and ask again why there is rascism in the world. Then look in the mirror.

rascisim is a learned trait just like being loud and obnoxious is. Fear = hate = ignorant behaviors

In some cultures, it is not disrespect to play music until 3 am in the morning. Many cultures enjoy playing music and gathering together. Not that it means disrespect but in their cultures its considered just fine. Example: Mexican, spanish.

Joe

Yes. Lets all go stick bones in our noses and breed with our family because of all the world cultures. This is America, and they need to live by our laws, which means a sound curfew.

Your upstairs neighbors are rude and ill mannered people. However, I think it has nothing to do with the fact that they're black. It becomes all too easy to blame a person's negative traits on something like their race or ethnicity. But the simple fact is that they're just simply rude people, period. In this regard racism is a lack of personal responsibility, both where the perpetrator and the victim are concerned. We find it easier to blame someone's skin color instead of their lack of character. This is the central problem with our society in general, in that we blame a person's wrongdoing on some irrelevant, external factor.

I agree with the above poster and to add to that we should look at the cultural differences, before we start judging. What is acceptable in one race is frowned upon by another. Also the location in which we live, makes a big difference of what some people think is acceptable or not. :)peace

Any person, any gender, and any race can be loud and obnoxious! I know plenty of black people who are totally opposite from the family your are describing. I also happen to know a lot of white people who act the SAME way you describe your neighbors. Food for thought... they do not act this way because they are black, they act that way because that is how they were brought up!

Its not because they are black, its because they are disrespectful to others. The two do not go hand in hand. Trust me I have met equally irritating white people in my life (used to live next door to some!)

Whow you got a lot of response,

Hey, I am not angry with anybody, I'm a christain black male, 49 years old and have had plenty experienced in life with regard to racism. Listen a dead black man lying besides a dead white are equally dead and hell and heaven are unequally divided with all races of people, that is if you believe in God.

Yes I say , there are evil black people as well as white and neither one are better than the other. I've had problems with both. It sounds like you live in a rather tough neighborhood apartment complex. Maybe some where on the East Coast? What ever I just want to say I feel bad for your grandmother I wish you didn't have to put up with the nonsense, all I can say is try and do your best to report them to your landlord.

There is no reason for you to put all black people in the same category, I served in the Marine Corp, I work hard, have a family and like most people I want to live a good successful Godly life.

Enough with the name calling , you may not know it but many white people in the United States you think are white have black ancestry and would not be born had it not been for slavery why because Mr. Charley half black babies mostly decided to reenter the white race by marrying whites to eliminate there black blood, so be carefulthe very ones you hate the most maybe your distant relatives.

God bless,
Philly

Living in the south all of my life, I totally understand racism. (I'm in no way saying that all southerners are racists, let there be no misunderstanding) My dad also tends to be a bit of a racist. For example, he's got a daughter that I've never met before because he disowned her for marrying a black man.

Now just because I understand racism, I DO NOT support it. I've got a sister that is half mexican. I've got a niece that's half vietnamese. I've got two amazing brother-in-laws that are black.

People do have a right to their opinion, but sometimes it is better for their opinion to not be voiced. You should hear some of the things I get called at my job. I am a sales manager of a cell phone store that's inside of a truck stop. These guys have called me every name in the book. Like I said, sometimes people just need to keep their opinion to themselves.

Yes this is a great place to vent but, you've got to remember that this is online. There are a lot of people that can be very hurt by the things that you say.

I know in your heart you really aren't a racist, you are just confused.

All the best of luck sweetheart.

Hello Emm,


You may not know but I was responding to another persons letter (Ad) etc; anyway, I am sure of myself not confused. Your dads father grew up when white men could have a black woman but you where the forbidden fruit, so don't act like you understand how it is to be black because of your sister.

Your to young to understand what life is all about life.

THank you,
Philly

Emm wasn't necessarily saying she understands the black race. She is saying she understands how the racist attitude is in the South.

Hello Nohelp,

I know in today's society not only black people exsperience racism as a whole, but some whites do too. Emm understands that part because her own father disowns her sister for marrying a black man.

What I am pointing out is, I am not confused my parents are from Alabama and Texas they grew up in the deep south in the 1940s-50s. I know Emm means well although, I have a problem with her advising me to keep my opinion to myself.

I have men relatives who married white women, the truth is my family learned to respect and except there decisions where some of the families on the other side didn't.

Check out you tube about the Louisiana creoles to white to be black and to black to be white.


THank you,
Philly

Hi philly
I didn't catch the part where she told you to keep your opinion to yourself.
I have had limited time on the computer lately.
I have heard the South is still very racist and that is a real shame.
In Pittsburgh, Pa it is quit opposite for the most part. Everywhere you look white girls have babies to black guys and white grandmothers are pushing the baby stroller rather than disowning them.
I live in a very poor neighborhood where there are black, white and mixed. Many of the whites deserve the 'low life' labels more than blacks do.
The one community next to where
I grew up was predominately upper class blacks who I deeply admired as I was growing up. So while I can't claim I understand the black culture as much as I would like to I can say I do have an admiration for the people that have touched my life.

Phill, nohelp I took it she was speaking to the op when she told him maybe it would be better to keep his opinion to himself... in other not to make problems worse with his racist remarks.

All right, I guess I've caused a bit of ruckus here and I should further explain my answer. I was not telling Philly to keep his opinion to himself nor was I asking Jason to either. That was not the case at all. I should've explained a little better. I was saying that Jason's racist thoughts should not be voiced to his neighbors because it could really hurt them. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

Also, I NEVER said that I understand how it is to be black. I don't at all. I said that I've seen first hand a lot of racism and that is something I know a bit about although I do not under any curcumstances agree with it.

And as far as I can say about Philly saying that I am too young to know anything about life, I very strongly disagree. I know a lot about life. Be it because of all the things that I have been through as a child with my mother who was a severe alcoholic and a crack head that got her kicks out of beating my brothers and myself to the point where we could barely walk. Or maybe it was me getting my GED at the age of 15 and working full time as a professional painter until I turned 18 and then joined the Army. So instead of passing judgement on someone because of their age, maybe you should stick to giving your friendly great advice to people it can help and stop putting people down that are also trying to help.

I apologize for the harsh words but this really offended me. I have done a lot of things for myself to overcome the hand that I was dealt and for a perfect stranger to criticize me because of my age is uncalled for.

Best of luck to you Jason.

Hello Emm,

I understand clearly now why this subject gets so much response, it is a very sensitive issue in the U.S.A. Hey, I admire veterans because I am one myself. I apologize for saying that you are too young to know anything about life. I don't know you or what youv'e been through in life and I should be careful about what I say, it is not my intention to hurt anyone's feelings.

You must be a strong woman to endure so much abuse and still have your sanity. God bless you, I can't say how much I do appreciate your replies. As for your friend Jason he let his frusrastion get the best of him, I just don't want him to maybe see me on the street someday and think that I am like his ignorent neighbors.

Nohelp seems to be a generous lady and I thank her for seeing the better side of people of color. I am not trying to open a dialog on racism, its been around before I was born and will be when I die.

Thank you,
Philly

Well thank you Philly. Your kind response was just what I needed this morning.

And I in no way understand what it would be like for you being an understand and very kind African American in a world with so many judgemental people. But I do know what it is like to be judged, because believe it or not, you aren't the first person to believe that I know nothing because I am a successful 20 year old woman. Not quite as successful as I'd wish to be but I've got all kinds of time to make up for it. ;)

The world is not a fair place, but I am so thankful everyday for the hardship that I endured when I was younger and the hardship that I still endure because it has made me so much stronger. Some people let things like you and I go through get the best of them and fall "victim" to the circumstances, but a few of us rise above and make a life of happiness for ourselves.

Good luck to you all that understand what I mean and even more luck to the ones that don't.

Thanks and have a great holiday season,
Emily

Perception, what a concept.

How we perceive others,their words and actions.

Still we have a preconceived notion that somehow we are being misinterpreted,misunderstood,misrepresented,misjud ged.

Does the op really have an issue, oh yeah, he sure does, his neighbors are out of line with the 12:35am BS. Is he right to complain? Oh yeah,he sure does. Is his comment of race off,oh yeah(in my world anyway) it sure is.

Then the question is, Do I judge him for his views, actually YES I do!(I also sympathize to an extent, not on race,or even class,but on being decent HUMAN beings, respectful of not only their own, but their neighbors comfort)He has little else to blame except ?them? I guess.

Anyway, this is such an old post I am probably not going much further with it, just here to support a friend.

Ken

It wouldn't let me rate KBC's response but I totally agree. You give the best advice Ken.

Anyway you can see how touchy of a subject racism is because of all the responses this question has gotten, and how long it has been going on. And that is really sad. People can't expect to get respect if they don't give it. And that goes for his loud neighbors as well. Also it goes towards all races of people, not just whites being racist towards black but also the other way around, there is all types of different racism and a lot of different prejudices.

But I think that this will be the last I say about this subject. I seem to be the only one reading it. Ha ha.

No your not the only one reading this, and for a fact, it does good to see that younger folks see hatred for the poison that it is, and being against it. Kudos to all.

It's almost 2008... when are people ever going to change? The man upstairs (whomever you may believe in) created us all equally; just made us different colors... there's no one person who's better than another... yeah, some may have a little more money, or a better education, or a nicer car or house, but when it all boils down to it... WE'RE ALL THE SAME! It just makes me sick to read and hear stories like this... (Mr. Anderson's original post, that is)

It don't really think it has much to do with race, it's just how people are educated-- or lack there of. My neighbors downstairs are so disrepectfull and they are mexican. They are always throwing things up on the ceiling so I feel it when I'm sitting on my couch. They bang on the wall and when I do dishes they are banging on the ceiling! Very annoying. So ignorance comes in all colors as I have learned.

I don't think it has anything to do with education either. I think some people are just selfish jerks.

The university educated guys (white if it matters) below us used to keep us up late into the night/early morning with really load music and karaoke. They wouldn't listen to requests to turn it down, or complaits made to their landlord.

Then we called the police on them. Haven't heard a peep since!

Templane, I meant education of manners. People lack etiquette, class and courtesy. So very sad.

The only way some $hit like that will make you racist is if you were already racist. If they were white would you be racist against your own kind? Heck no, you'de take the time to single the a$$hole ones out. But because they're black, the hell with all of them. But I must say, that's typical for your kind, no surprise, no stress, no worries. To 90% blacks anyway, you guys are all racist to us even when it hasn't come to you yet.

Perception, what a concept.

How we perceive others,their words and actions.

Still we have a preconceived notion that somehow we are being misinterpreted,misunderstood,misrepresented,misjud ged.

Does the op really have an issue, oh yeah, he sure does, his neighbors are out of line with the 12:35am BS. Is he right to complain? oh yeah,he sure does. Is his comment of race off,oh yeah(in my world anyway) it sure is.

Then the question is, Do I judge him for his views, actually YES I do!(I also sympathize to an extent, not on race,or even class,but on being decent HUMAN beings, respectful of not only their own, but their neighbors comfort)He has little else to blame except ?them?, I guess.

Anyway, this is such an old post I am probably not going much further with it, just here to support a friend.

Ken

I believe the only reason you can actually sit there and relate to this guys pain, or even empathize is because he's white... and so are you. If this were someone of another race referring to your own, you'd be all over them and that post of yours would have been so much more aggressive or better yet, dominant. It sound like you were smoking a cigar when you wrote that, at your most relaxed mind state. But I guess it's hard for you to personally take effect by it.

I have met white people who are just as rude and disrespectful as any colored person.

White people get no "get out of jail free" card. There are white people who are horrible! Just look at all those rednecks down south. Nasty, horrible, self centered people.

I have met very respectful, pleasant colored people. And I have met rude ones. I have met mexicans who are the coolest person I've ever met, and I've met the ones who are lazy and want everything done for them.

Personality has nothing to do with color. Its all in how that person was raised. What's happened in that persons life. Not the color of skin.

To be racist is ignorance. Racist people are hateful towards the human race. There is always something wrong with someone. Racist people live in a small world with very little possibilities.. Even the top executives that are secretively KKK members (or whatever supremesist group is popular right now) are very naïve, very closed minded and are teaching their kids horrible things.

I love the bumper sticker that says Co-Exist. Its such a wonderful dream to be in a world with no hate!

I have met white people who are just as rude and disrespectful as any colored person.

White people get no "get out of jail free" card. There are white people who are horrible! Just look at all those rednecks down south. Nasty, horrible, self centered people.

I have met very respectful, pleasant colored people. And I have met rude ones. I have met mexicans who are the coolest person I've ever met, and I've met the ones who are lazy and want everything done for them.

Personality has nothing to do with color. Its all in how that person was raised. What's happened in that persons life. Not the color of skin.

To be racist is ignorance. Racist people are hateful towards the human race. There is always something wrong with someone. Racist people live in a small world with very little possibilities.. Even the top executives that are secretively KKK members (or whatever supremesist group is popular right now) are very naive, very closed minded and are teaching their kids horrible things.

I love the bumper sticker that says Co-Exist. Its such a wonderful dream to be in a world with no hate!

And I agree. If that were the case, I am black, and I can be racist due to the nasty white people down in the south and some up here. Or the nasty racist CO's in prison that beat my black men for nothing, as I have worry about my husband day in and out, but I don't. Because still after all that, I cannot just hate all for one, because hate isn't in my blood