These three religions are very similar, in that they worship the same god. They all may have different ways of worshiping the same higher being, but they all agree that is something beyond human understanding that governs life.

Do they all accept Jesus Christ as the Son of GOD, their Lord and Savior, that died on the cross and after three days arose? From that aspect, they are very different indeed. Not even slightly the same.

Do they all accept Jesus Christ as the Son of GOD, their Lord and Savior, that died on the cross and after three days arose? From that aspect, they are very different indeed. Not even slightly the same.
Not all Christian sects believe that Jesus was God but believe the way that Islam does that he was a Prophet of the one true God.

I don't know of any christian that won't declare thd Jesus is not God

Yes as noted, there are some Christian denominations that do not view that there is a Trinity, but all view Jesus as the Son of God, and that his is the way to salvation.

This is where Christianity differes from all others. Also to many Christians, no Muslims do not worship the same god, on rough views it may appear so, but many feel that it is really the moon god that is being worshiped, I have read several good books on the subject.

Even comparing Muslisms to the Jewish faith, they do not follow the same teachings that christians call Old Testement, in that they put their leaders in the important roles for this going back to Abraham, plus Muslims do not view Adam as having done any serious sins.

It is amazing that the Muslims do show Christ as being sinless and born of a virgin, while their own leader was a sinner,

But no they are not even close to being the same, and no in most view points they don't even worship the same god.

These three religions are very simular, in that they worship the same god. They all may have different ways of worshiping the same higher being, but they all agree that is something beyond human understanding that governs life.

Some verses from the Quran regarding Prophets and messengers...
Muslims follow the Quran and hence consider all the messengers to be sent from One Lord.
And yes muslims do believe that there is One and Only God and that He is the Creator and the Lord of the Worlds.

[Quran chapter 2 verse 136]
"Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed to us and that which was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have surrendered. "


Quran chapter 004 verse 163
" We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms."


Quran chapter 006 verse 084
" We gave him Isaac and Jacob: all (three) guided: and before him, We guided Noah, and among his progeny, David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses, and Aaron: thus do We reward those who do good:"


Information for your reference... :) :) :) :)

These three religions are very simular, in that they worship the same god. They all may have different ways of worshiping the same higher being, but they all agree that is something beyond human understanding that governs life.
Of course we all worship the same God.
All we, who are monotheists, believe in one God
Cast aside your differences
We all believe in the same ideals,
That is selflessness, charity,
Rejection of materialism,
Rejection of inequality.

We must become united, under the One God who we all worship
We must not allow ourselves to remain divided

We must find peace with each other,
For if we do not, it will become the end of our human race.

Our bickering over petty differences makes us weak
Weak to satan, who would hope that we all kill ourselves in nuclear holocaust.

Any one who would claim that he knows the answere is but a fool,
For we are mortal, and we know not the mind of God

But there are some basic things, even our mear mortal minds can grasp
And that is that the most important thing in our lives is to find peace

To find peace with our neighboors,
To lay down our weapons and reach out to the poor and the starving masses

To give charity to all,
Not to try to convert them
Or make them believe what we do

But to heal their wounds,
And to feed their souls with love and forgivness.

We must forget our differences
Or satan wins over us all

Dude, you should became a preacher or politicion you could help change the world. Cauchy here's my e-mail: ljataav@hotmail,com

Cauchy , but the bride of Christ does have the mind of Christ, the reason why all the religions can't unite together is because we don't believe the same thing. But then again the bible stated that my sheep knows my voice, a stranger will not follow, none our differences should not keep us from loving one another :)

I think you may find you have made an assumption based on the three religions holding the Bible as sacred.

However, the Muslim God is not the same God as the Jewish God and certainly both Jews and Muslims deny Jesus Christ as God. Only Christians hold that the God of the Old Testament is the same as Jesus Christ, God in the Flesh.

Jesus was a prophet of God not God in the flesh. That is where many Christians and Islam go their separate ways. As I said before some Christians believe the way Islam does that Jesus was a prophet.

Jesus was a prophet of God not God in the flesh. That is where many Christians and Islam go their seperate ways. As I said before some Christians believe the way Islam does that Jesus was a prophet.

Could you elaborate on this point, like which christians believe this?
Just asking for information only to know and understand as a muslim we believe the whole universe was created by Only One God and that all the messengers and prophets were sent by One God (i.e. to say we muslims believe Abraham,Noah,Moses,Jesus,Muhammad peace be upon them all were sent by One and Only God).

Thanks in advance!

I am Christian and I do not believe that God is Jesus. I believe God sent Jesus. Most Christian now a days also agree that Jesus is a man.
I believe it is more inspirational this way. Also, I don't believe God would have sexual intercourse with Mary. She belonged to Joseph. God is not a "man". He is nor female or male.

I am sorry one can not be a Christian really and not believe Mary was a Virgin, it is specific in the bible, not a matter of question, even the Muslim believe Mary was a virgin, since it is in their writing also.

So if you don't beleve Mary was a virgin, then you are not a christian , period... and it was not God having sex, it was God declaring her to have a child. He created the world, he can create a child without sex.

So no dreamer you are not a christian, you may accept some christian beliefs, but unless you accept the bible you are not a christian.

I also agree with this post, in the fact that the three major religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are very similar. All three believe in Adam and Eve, David, Goliath, Angel of Death, Moses, Jonah, John, Isaac, Daniel, Mariam, Abraham and so on and on and on, etc. The similarities are vast when you look into it. Of course there are some differences, but the basic ten commandments that help us stay well natured (if followed) are the same. The trouble is a lot of people do not follow them…and social environments play a big part in how religions are interpreted. I guess that's why there are different sects of Christianity or Islam or Judaism.

I am sorry one can not be a Christian really and not beleive Mary was a Virgin, it is specific in the bible, not a matter of question, even the Muslim beleive Mary was a virgin, since it is in thier writing also.

So if you don't beleve Mary was a virgin, then you are not a christian , period....... and it was not God having sex, it was God declaring her to have a child. He created the world, he can create a child without sex.

So no dreamer you are not a christian, you may accept some christian beliefs, but unless you accept the bible you are not a christian.


Fr_Chuck I also believe that Mary was a Virgin, I just don't believe that God had sexual intercourse with her. He created a miracle, but it doesn't mean that he injected sperm into her. That's all :) so we both think Mary was a Virgin.

Do not tell me I am not Christian. You are not God to tell me this... You know, once upon a time I think there were people shouting at blacks and saying that they were not Christian due to their skin color. So please be more open-minded.

Friar, I also notice that you try very hard to make sure no one thinks that Muslims are like Jews/Christians... but you know Muslims believe that Jesus is the Messiah like Christians... why did you not mention this?
By declaring that they probably worship a Moon God... you have shown your true colors. You are talking about some theory, just as it is theory that Christians borrowed Jesus from Pagan Gods... would you like it if everyone said "No, Christians believe some planet was God because they are Pagans". This is the logic you have provided with the Muslim religion by trying to make people think they worship the moon... but now I have exposed what you are manipulatively doing (I hope it is not on purpose). Imagine if the tables were turned to create false beliefs about Christians... based on all those theories that Jesus was just a Pagan God or someone borrowed by idol worshiping religions? So shame on you.
Shame on you for your propaganda. There is no Muslim on Earth today that has ever said "I worship a moon God".
Friar... please do not try to separate people with such misleading claims. Oh, and Muslims do believe that Adam was a sinner too. Most Christians I know think it is all Eve's fault for eating the apple. :( But these differences shouldn't even be focused on... think about all the great things we have in common in the 3 major religions. Friar, there is nothing wrong with celebrating our wonderful similarities... it is wrong to try and get people to think that Muslims are Moon worshipers... just as it would be wrong to make people think that Christians worship the God of Witches or Pagan Religions.

I also noticed that you say it's fascinating that Muslims believe in Jesus as someone without sin... and then you add cleverly "especially because their own Prophet was a sinner". Again I will show how you are being manipulative. Notice that you do not mention that Christians also believe that Jesus is the only one without sin in the holy males mentioned in the bible... so why can't Muslims believe the same thing?

You just wanted to get into people's heads "the Muslim's leader was a sinner" as another attempt to sneakingly be negative towards the group. I hope you have not done these things on purpose Friar. You know yourself that many (or all?) prophets had sinned.

It also states in the Holy Quor'an that Mary was a virgin. So yes the followers of Islam believe that as well as Christians.

I have some respect for other cultures Fr. Chuck, I am chirstian and I have muslim friends. Including a pretty young lady, god/allah molded a fine piece of living artwork.

Islam does deny Jesus, it relegates him to being a Prophet of lesser status than Mudhatmad. Show me the miracles Mudhutmad did, You cannot, show me where the Koran says Mudhutmad is coming again you cannot, and yet Muslims believe Jesus will come again. How confused can you be? Jesus proclaimed himself to be God, not once but many times and yet you don't believe in him. Don't tell me the Islamic God is the same as the Christian God. It is an untruth, a deception. Be honest about your belief

Islam does deny Jesus, it relegates him to being a Prophet of lesser status than Mudhatmad. Show me the miracles Mudhutmad did, You cannot, show me where the Koran says Mudhutmad is coming again you cannot, and yet Muslims believe Jesus will come again. How confused can you be? Jesus proclaimed himself to be God, not once but many times and yet you don't believe in him. Don't tell me the Islamic God is the same as the Christian God. It is an untruth, a deception. Be honest about your belief


Think about it, don't Christians believe that Jesus is God on Earth... as in God came to Earth in the form of Jesus the man?

So Christians do not believe that Jesus was "simply" God and that God really "physically" died and thus did "not exist" for a while... They just believe that Jesus was "God taking a body on Earth". So in the end, Paraclete, I have shown the errors in your way of thinking. What I have shown you is that in the end BOTH Islam and Christians believe in the SAME God, but the difference lies that Muslims don't believe that God took the body of a Male on Earth. Muslims think that Jesus was just the Messiah (Prophet) that God "sent".

Do you understand?

Also, by you saying "Show me the miracles Mudhutmad did, You cannot, show me where the Koran says Mudhutmad is coming again you cannot, and yet Muslims believe Jesus will come again. How confused can you be?" - hahaha. What sort of logic is this? This does not prove anything? What are you saying even? I thought Christians were famous for saying "The Lord works in mysterious ways". There are many things that God has done that people cannot explain in the bible, like God creating the world in 6 days and resting on the 7th, or how exactly did God get a virgin to become pregnant? You seem to be cruel and mock what another religion believes and think it is okay for the reasoning of your own religion to be "mysterious". This is prejudice (and I hope it's not on purpose).

One more thing, it's funny how you don't mention Jews here. It shows a lot about why you single out Muslims. Anyway, Jews don't believe the Messiah (Jesus) has even come at all. So I guess they don't believe in "God", according to your logic? So I guess the next thing you are going to say is that the Jews are Godless? "!"

I don't think they are being racist, I think they are just saying they believe something and if you believe something else you don't count.
Race has nothing to do with that attitude.

Stay in peace

You're right it's not racist, but it's prejudice (and I hope not intentional).

Islam does deny Jesus, it relegates him to being a Prophet of lesser status than Mudhatmad. Show me the miracles Mudhutmad did, You cannot, show me where the Koran says Mudhutmad is coming again you cannot, and yet Muslims believe Jesus will come again. How confused can you be? Jesus proclaimed himself to be God, not once but many times and yet you don't believe in him. Don't tell me the Islamic God is the same as the Christian God. It is an untruth, a deception. Be honest about your belief

It is not right to say Islam "denies" Jesus (alaihi salaam), we believe in the fact that he was sent by God as His messenger and we also believe Jesus (alaihi salaam) will descend at the end of times and establish justice on earth during his time.
We believe in the miracle birth of Jesus and that Mary was a virgin.

The thing is that we believe Muhammad (peace be upon him) to be the last and final messenger and Prophet of Allah, but the fact is that he did not bring the message of a new religion, but we believe it has been the same message of One God.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/notislam/misconceptions.html
Misconception 5
Islam rejects Jesus because:
Jesus is not accepted as `the Son of God'

The Qur'an and Sunnah both teach us emphatically and without any doubt that the Creator considers the statement of the Trinity to be a great falsehood. The Qur'an states (translation):
[19:88-93] They say: "(Allah) the Most Merciful has begotten a son!" Indeed you have put forth a thing most monstrous! At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin, that they should invoke a son for (Allah) the Most Merciful. For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) the Most Merciful that He should beget a son: Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to (Allah) the Most Merciful as a servant.

However, the misconception that Jesus is rejected does not follow from the reason given above. It is more precise to say that identifying Jesus as `the Son of God' is rejected. As a Messenger of Allah, Jesus is accorded the same honor that all the Messengers are given, as the following verse attests to (translation),
[2:136] Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed to us and that which was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have surrendered. [Arabic "Muslimoon"]

They do all possibly worship the same god, I reckon the core differences are
Interpretaion of gods word
Holy texts
Status and identity of the messiah
Customs, traditions and practices
Maybe we need to consider the possibility that none of the 3 religions are the "right" religion.
Maybe all 3 have things wrong with their perception of god and things right with their perception of god.

Firmbeliever I honestly respect your beliefs, but to belief in God is not to pick what to belief concerning His Word, but to also belief that He has died and risen, if this was'nt true I would have not said it, God bless you !

Firmbeliever i honestly respect your beliefs, but to belief in God is not to pick and choose what to belief concerning His Word, but to also belief that He has died and risen, if this was'nt true i would have not said it, God bless you !


Not to argue
But if I believed that jesus died for our sins and will rise again and forgive us I wouldn't be a muslim, would I?
I believe in each one being judged for their own deeds, I believe that each human must be punished or rewarded for what each one does and God is the only judge not a human or a half human or half God etc.

Do you believe that God said that we should be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ? If not, could you state why? ;)

Not to argue
But if I believed that jesus died for our sins and will rise again and forgive us I wouldnt be a muslim, would I?
I believe in each one being judged for their own deeds, I believe that each human must be punished or rewarded for what each one does and God is the only judge not a human or a half human or half God etc.
A Muslum is someone who follows the will of God. It says in the Holy Quor'an that Jews, Christians and followers of Islam that follow the will of Allah (God) are Muslums.
Jesus was a Muslum so was Moses and all the other Prophets. May they rest in peace.

I'm curious... where does it states that Jesus was a muslim? I never knew this.

Many places in the Quor'an he is held in high esteem by anyone who is a true Muslum.

maybe we need to consider the possibility that none of the 3 religions are the "right" religion.
maybe all 3 have things wrong with their perception of god and things right with their perception of god.
You're onto something here. This idea that there is, and necessarily must be, one and only one TRUE religion is at the core of all religious bigotry and holy wars. From my own experience I can testify that giving it up takes nothing essential away from the life of the Spirit, and allows many new bounties to come into it. Try it! You'll like it!

I'm curious... where does it states that Jesus was a muslim? I never knew this.

Marily,
Have you read the entire Quran?If you haven't then you will not find it (unless it is written in the bibles, which I cannot say as I have not read them).

And about being baptized in the name of Jesus(alaihi salaam)----we never use the name of any messenger or prophet when we begin anything,
All muslims use the phrase "Bismillahi rahmani raheem" meaning "In the name of Allah the Most beneficient, the most merciful" whenever we begin anything even "baptizing" ( if by baptizing you meant the naming of the child?)

Muslim in a simple sense could just mean following the God of Abraham (the monolithic God).
Like it doesn't mean that during that time, Marily, Jesus went around saying "I am Muslim". Muslim is more a concept than anything (and should be an action rather than a name to call onself), just like "Good" is a concept. Muslim is a newer word that basically has the same root meaning as older words that are categorized with "Follower of God".
Do you understand?
I hope you can follow this example: I bet a really good Jewish person who does not lie, who attempts to be free of sin, etc... you could see them as being "MORE CHRISTIAN" than someone "who claims they are Christian yet molests Children". Do you get it? They are more Christian than the one who actually says they are Christian (in the case I just provided). Anyway Marily, heaven is for people who are good, and not people who label themselves as Christians or Muslim or Jewish, because as history and current events show, people who, for example, call themselves followers of Christ are raping children in Churches... SO it isn't about what we say we are, but it is about what we actually do and how we actually live our life. In the end it doesn't matter if you call yourself Christian... God will never send someone to heaven for just "being Christian" but God will send people to heaven for SHOWING THEY are Christian. And in the end "showing you are christian" is the same as being Jewish and Muslim (in the sense that you must be good to your fellow human being, you should not lie, you should not gossip, etc".
I think this was what was meant by someone saying "Jesus was Musilm". This doesn't mean that Jesus went around saying he was "Muslim". Just like, during that time that Jesus came, his followers NEVER SAID "We are Christian". The term Christianity came much later to place on those people back in the day. Do you get it?

Muslim in a simple sense could just mean following the God of Abraham (the monolithic God).
Like it doesn't mean that during that time, Marily, Jesus went around saying "I am Muslim". Muslim is more a concept than anything (and should be an action rather than a name to call onself), just like "Good" is a concept. Muslim is a newer word that basically has the same root meaning as older words that are categorized with "Follower of God".
Do you understand?
I hope you can follow this example: I bet a really good Jewish person who does not lie, who attempts to be free of sin, etc... you could see them as being "MORE CHRISTIAN" than someone "who claims they are Christian yet molests Children". Do you get it? They are more Christian than the one who actually says they are Christian (in the case I just provided). Anyway Marily, heaven is for people who are good, and not people who label themselves as Christians or Muslim or Jewish, because as history and current events show, people who, for example, call themselves followers of Christ are raping children in Churches... SO it isn't about what we say we are, but it is about what we actually do and how we actually live our life. In the end it doesn't matter if you call yourself Christian...God will never send someone to heaven for just "being Christian" but God will send people to heaven for SHOWING THEY are Christian. And in the end "showing you are christian" is the same as being Jewish and Muslim (in the sense that you must be good to your fellow human being, you should not lie, you should not gossip, etc".

Hi Dreamer10,
Thanks for clearing up some misunderstandings!

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/tawheed/conceptofgod.html

A "Muslim" is "one who submits to Allah." The essence of Islam is pure, pure, pure monotheism. Allah says in the Qur'an (translated):

[112:1-4] Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the One on whom all depend; He begets not, nor is He begotten. And there is none comparable to Him.
[3:144] Muhammad is no more than a messenger: many Were the messengers that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will you then turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.

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It is a known fact that every language has one or more terms that are used in reference to God and sometimes to lesser deities. This is not the case with Allah. Allah is the personal name of the One true God. Nothing else can be called Allah. The term has no plural or gender. This shows its uniqueness when compared with the word god which can be made plural, gods, or feminine, goddess. It is interesting to notice that Allah is the personal name of God in Aramaic, the language of Jesus and a sister language of Arabic.

The One true God is a reflection of the unique concept that Islam associates with God. To a Muslim, Allah is the Almighty, Creator and Sustainer of the universe, Who is similar to nothing and nothing is comparable to Him.

Thank you for you time trying to explain your religion, but with all due respect I don't think that heaven is only for good people but for holy ghost filled people, there are people that will go through the tribulation that will also be in heaven , that is another story altogether. You asked me if I get it? Yes I do, you are a muslim and I'm a christian :) Salaam

Thankyou for you time trying to explain your religion, but with all due respect i dont think that heaven is only for good people but for holy ghost filled people, there are people that will go through the tribulation that will also be in heaven ,
Yes i do, you are a muslim and im a christian :) Salaam

If you meant I am a muslim?Yes I am but I am not very sure if Dreamer10 is, Are you a muslim Dreamer10?

Marily,
About the tribulations you mentioned for some who goes to heaven later,
We muslims too believe there will be believers and good doers who will enter Hell for a period and then will be admitted to Heaven by the mercy of the Almighty.
We also believe in the punishment of the grave for almost all (not the physical grave we see and touch) and that some people receive this as punishment and also maybe saved from the Hellfire because of the punishment of the grave by the mercy of the Almighty.

Thankyou for you time trying to explain your religion, but with all due respect i dont think that heaven is only for good people but for holy ghost filled people, there are people that will go through the tribulation that will also be in heaven , that is another story altogether. You asked me if i get it? Yes i do, you are a muslim and im a christian :) Salaam

Marily, I am Christian too. Surprise! Are you saying that I am not one? I AM AND YOU CANNOT TAKE THIS AWAY FROM ME! Please Marily, be open-minded. Once upon a time some people started to bravely say that "the Earth is NOT FLAT", there were Christians telling those that believed this that " I get it, you are not Christian, but I am, since I believe the Earth is flat".

I think I made my point.

Marily disagrees: With that type of anger one cannot go far, and the colour of my skin has got nothing to do with anything, the Lord made me like that and guess what... I'm beautifull, don't you know that when one get angry that it is actually a spirit that gets hold




You, Marily, are very sneaky because now you have made it look as if I was being racist. That is a sad attempt at trying to sound "right" by lying and making people believe that I could possibly be saying something racist to you? Plus by doing this... you try very hard to take away from any of the logic I have shown. This is wrong, deceptive, and a very last try at working to get people to not listen to others... through manipulation. Why are you doing this?

I think you should re-read what I wrote and get this clear: "Back in the day" as I said "There were Christians that did not accept people due to their skin color, but then there were some that did not care what race people were". I showed you that there were Christians with different beliefs. And then I used the example that many Christians called those who thought the Earth was not flat "non-Christians"

So, I was showing you that you are calling me a non-Christian because my Christian beliefs are not identical to yours. I was using the example of the past where it has been proven that those who thought they were totally right (like Christians who declared others were non Christian for thinking the world was round), are wrong today. You see? I was showing you that you cannot say with a closed-mind that I am not Christian.

But then why should I try and communicate this with you when you have clearly taken a scarey twist to this and tried to manipulatively make people think I was being racist against you. Your reasoning is not a very healthy one here. Go back and read the post. I forgive you and you know what, I am going to pray for you too.

You got angry at me for nothing and now you are trying to put the blame on me, that won't work. It has come to a point that your comments have no value to me. If I were you I would have pray for revelation on who Christ is . Oh and please don't PM me again.

That one is easy Jesus is a prophet of the one true God.

You got angry at me for nothing and now you are trying to put the blame on me, that wont work. It has come to a point that your comments have no value to me. If i were you i would have pray for revelation on who Christ is . Oh and please dont PM me again.

No you are upset because you have been exposed for being manipulative. You're also upset because you realize that you are not God to tell someone else "You are not Christian". I will continue to pray for you, and like I said again, I forgive you.

Marily, if he says he believes in jesus christ and that he believes that jesus christ died for our sins, and he calls himself a christian, and he consciously chooses to follow christ, then he is christian.
It is wrong to place doubt on what a person says they believe in. it is wrong to say "im a true christian, and you are not"
Only god can judge that, and I obviously do not pray to you.
Now both of you should pray, forgive, and forget.

Actually cal there was a misunderstanding between me and dreamer10 , we already made peace and forgave each other, we are friends now :)

That's good Marily It's a lot better for folks to get along than be cussing at one another.

Stay in peace

So carbonite according to your answer Muslims believe Jesus is God.

Lokk for the Muslim God and the Christian God to be the same God would need to be schitzophrenic

So carbonite according to your answer Muslims believe Jesus is God.

Lokk for the Muslim God and the Christian God to be the same God would need to be schitzophrenic

Perhaps you misread

That one is easy Jesus is a prophet of the one true God.
This is what I read.

Yup that's what I said Talaniman. Don't see how that could be taken any other way.
And to look at it the Christian way to me would be schitzophrenic.

Maybe each of you should explain why and what you think that posts means to you, so we can understand why you have your opinion of that comment?
And the muslim god seems to be quite different than the christian one,
Though the christian god in old testament was wrathful and strict, while in the new testament was more loving and forgiving. But I reckon that's just because the old testament people needed different handling than the new testament people ie: ot people seemed to be more impressed by power and authority, while nowadays we have hippies and people who believe in goodness over law.

Seems to me people put so much on the things that make them different, that they look over the things they have in common. Its almost as if they want to be superior, or they want a reason to say someone else is wrong, so they can be right. That's human, and has nothing to do with God, or how we should follow him.

maybe each of you should explain why and what you think that posts means to you, so we can understand why you have your opinion of that comment?
and the muslim god seems to be quite different than the christian one,
though the christian god in old testament was wrathful and strict, while in the new testament was more loving and forgiving. but i reckon thats just because the old testament people needed different handling than the new testament people ie: ot people seemed to be more impressed by power and authority, while nowadays we have hippies and people who believe in goodness over law.
Maybe I missed something as or are you saying that the God in the Old Testament is not the same as the one in the New Testament?

I have said that the Old Testament,New Testament and Qur'an are all written about Allah (God). I don't see that he has changed in any of the books. God shows punishment and mercy in all three books.

No Cal, the “worship” of God could be different, or the interpretation of God could be different, but it is the same concept of "one God" that brought Abraham, Noah, Adam and Eve, and so forth, this is all the same in the there monolithic religions that all came from the same root. In the most important points, it's all the same (in the sense that we should not cheat our neighbor, people should not lie to one another, do not commit adultery, no gossip, no gluttony…)

Otherwise, are you saying that Catholic people and Protestants worship different Gods? No, they worship the same God, and they are both Christian, but they worship him differently and interpret him differently. Also, even though Jews have many many many different beliefs than I do as a Christian, I still can see that they are worshiping the same God as me BUT they are choosing to show worship in him differently.

Oh, and Marily and I are friends. :)

I'm not saying that he's different, I'm saying that the focus changes from physical war (such as the conquering of the promised land in joshua) and stuff like that, too spiritual war, and peace in the new testament.

You are all wrong First off there is no God, Jesus was just a man. As far a virgin birth, no never happened. The are many recorded vigin births before jesus, like Budda. Zeroaster,etc These people went on to do many wonderous things like raising the dead. Turning water into wine. Sound familiar? They are all just myths. Jesus never preformed any miracles. As I wrote in another thread prayer does not work at all. The AHJ decided to answer this question once and for all. The medical research showed that prayer does not work The study was 3 years, 1800 heart patients, 2.4 miilion dollars

workerbee

You are all wrong First off there is no God, Jesus was just a man. As far a virgin birth, no never happened. The are many recorded vigin births before jesus, like Budda. zeroaster,etc These people went on to do many wonderous things like raising the dead. turning water into wine. Sound familar? They are all just myths. Jesus never preformed any miracles. As i wrote in another thread prayer does not work at all. the AHJ decided to answer this question once and for all. The medical research showed that prayer does not work The study was 3 years, 1800 heart patients, 2.4 miilion dollars

workerbee

Maybe you should look up when some folks tried to prove there is no soul. The findings surprised them.

Carbonite, If you mean that you cannot prove there is no soul I would say that you cannot prove that there is a soul. You look at the evidence like prayer and from the research you know that prayer does not work. Jesus never preformed miracles, some were added later like the star of Bethelehem which was added to fulfill the old testament
Prophecies, it never happened. I can go into more detail if you want. Finally, it does not matter to me what you believe. I prefer reality.

workerbee

Carbonite, If you mean that you cannot prove there is no soul I would say that you cannot prove that there is a soul. You look at the evidence like prayer and from the research you know that prayer does not work. Jesus never preformed miracles, some were added later like the star of Bethelehem which was added to fufill the old testament
prophecies, it never happened. I can go into more detail if you want. Finally, it does not matter to me what you believe. I prefer reality.

workerbee

You may believe as you wish.

I was just pointing out these folks tried to prove there was no soul and proved the that there was.

Give me a link I'd lik to read it.

workerbee

Quote from firmbeliever

"It is not right to say Islam "denies" Jesus (alaihi salaam), we believe in the fact that he was sent by God as His messenger and we also believe Jesus (alaihi salaam) will descend at the end of times and establish justice on earth during his time.
We believe in the miracle birth of Jesus and that Mary was a virgin."

But how can a relegion, believe in a virgin birth and not put the result of that birth above anything else. Why is redeculing Jesus not seen as insulting as rediculing Mohammed? Jesus is mocked all the time and no Muslim ever seeks punishment on nthose who do the mocking - when when Mohammed is mocked or seen to be mocked there is an uproar. The old testament foretells many things including the Messiah. These things happen in the New Testament, and the Messiah proclaims that He is the son of God. Why would anyone deny that who believes in God? Christ was blessed and blessed others, by healing, loving them, then and now. How is this Christ not the one spoken of by the prophet Isaiah?

Isaiah 53
1 Who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2 For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant,
And as a root out of dry ground.
He has no form or comeliness;
And when we see Him,
There is no beauty that we should desire Him.
3 He is despised and rejected by men,
A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.
And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him;
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4 Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
9 And they[a] made His grave with the wicked—
But with the rich at His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was any deceit in His mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.
11 He shall see the labor of His soul,[b]and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.