The following song is written by Pink about a lot of things that make so much sense in so many levels. I love this song and I really wanted to share it. If you've heard it, but haven't taken time to really understand the words I've copied them down for you. I think Pink is a great artist and I am so glad she is not hiding her head in the sand with this song. Sure lots of people may not like it, but guess what its all truth and fact is fact. I think her song is the best ever written on this kind of subject. Every time I listen to it I almost cry. I think she's hit the nail on the head if you know what I mean. Anyway, here's the song that mean's so much to me...

Dear Mr. President,
Come take a walk with me.
Let's pretend we're just two people and
You're not better than me.
I'd like to ask you some questions if we can speak honestly.

What do you feel when you see all the homeless on the street?
Who do you pray for at night before you go to sleep?
What do you feel when you look in the mirror?
Are you proud?

How do you sleep while the rest of us cry?
How do you dream when a mother has no chance to say goodbye?
How do you walk with your head held high?
Can you even look me in the eye
And tell me why?

Dear Mr. President,
Were you a lonely boy?
Are you a lonely boy?
Are you a lonely boy?
How can you say
No child is left behind?
We're not dumb and we're not blind.
They're all sitting in your cells
While you pave the road to hell.

What kind of father would take his own daughter's rights away?
And what kind of father might hate his own daughter if she were gay?
I can only imagine what the first lady has to say
You've come a long way from whiskey and cocaine.

How do you sleep while the rest of us cry?
How do you dream when a mother has no chance to say goodbye?
How do you walk with your head held high?
Can you even look me in the eye?

Let me tell you 'bout hard work
Minimum wage with a baby on the way
Let me tell you 'bout hard work
Rebuilding your house after the bombs took them away
Let me tell you 'bout hard work
Building a bed out of a cardboard box
Let me tell you 'bout hard work
Hard work
Hard work
You don't know nothing 'bout hard work
Hard work
Hard work
Oh

How do you sleep at night?
How do you walk with your head held high?
Dear Mr. President,
You'd never take a walk with me.
Would you?
*Pink*

Here's the url to the video:
YouTube - P!nk - Dear Mr. President Offical Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugH5MUNNL0c)

I'd love to know what you think about this song and how it may have effected you. Songs do effect us in some ways, for good or bad. Thankyou.

I love Pink and everything she stands for

Right on to that one lol. I really love this song. It's good to see that some singers are REAL and woln't sell their souls for moolah. But I think this is my favorite song lol. Pink is a very honorable person.

Right on to that one lol. I really love this song. It's good to see that some singers are REAL and woln't sell their souls for moolah. But i think this is my favorite song lol. Pink is a very honorable person.

Exactly she's REAL! And she's beautiful, she has her own style and her voice is amazing! I wish I could sing like her. I love stupid girls too, it's perfect and true. I also love who knew... even though it makes me sad but it also makes me feel calmer in a way cause I feel like I went through the same thing.

And she's a badass lol

That is a good one. Another one that fits in this category is Bright Eye's "When the President Talks to God." Definitely one of my favorites.

"When The President Talks To God"

When the president talks to God
Are the conversations brief or long?
Does he ask to rape our women's' rights
And send poor farm kids off to die?
Does God suggest an oil hike
When the president talks to God?

When the president talks to God
Are the consonants all hard or soft?
Is he resolute all down the line?
Is every issue black or white?
Does what God say ever change his mind
When the president talks to God?

When the president talks to God
Does he fake that drawl or merely nod?
Agree which convicts should be killed?
Where prisons should be built and filled?
Which voter fraud must be concealed
When the president talks to God?

When the president talks to God
I wonder which one plays the better cop
We should find some jobs. The ghetto's broke
No, they're lazy, George, I say we don't
Just give 'em more liquor stores and dirty coke
That's what God recommends

When the president talks to God
Do they drink near beer and go play golf
While they pick which countries to invade
Which Muslim souls still can be saved?
I guess god just calls a spade a spade
When the president talks to God

When the president talks to God
Does he ever think that maybe he's not?
That that voice is just inside his head
When he kneels next to the presidential bed
Does he ever smell his own bullsh**
When the president talks to God?

I doubt it

I doubt it

Powerful lyrics Rayne.

Thanks for sharing!!

Very powerful song, Thank you for sharing it with all of us. You have touched many of us here. For sharing something so amazing and touching.

Joe

Good lyrics

But should it not be directed at each one of us also?
Is everything the President's fault?


Grace and Peace

Good lyrics

but should it not be directed at each one of us also?



No, not in my opinion.

I would ask these artists to give practical policy options that they would do if they were in his shoes. I would say Pink's song is cruel ,unfair and naïve . The song by BrightEyes is just hateful .

Ah the standard "let's see you do better" argument. Lots of better options were offered the president - he just vetoes them.

Great songs BTW, thank you for sharing.

Good lyrics

but should it not be directed at each one of us also?
Is everything the President's fault?


Grace and Peace


Absolutely. My God, for everything to be on one man's shoulders. I just don't know.
All I do know is, when I do get to talk to God, I will have to answer for an awful lot, and none of it will be the Presidents fault.

I have to tell you, I pray for this man, I truly do. May God watch over him, and give his shoulders the strength to carry all that is on them. I am not saying I agree or disagree with the President, I am just praying for a man, just one man, who happens to be my President. Again, not saying I agree or disagree, like or dislike - just offering prayers for him.

Nice lyrics, but I'm with inthebox and tomder on this one!

I bet if you gave either of these artist the Presidency, the USA would be ruined within a couple of months.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of George W. but I think it's easy to sit there and write songs against a sitting duck.

Show me a country without problems where everyone is happy with their government.

Nope, didn't think so!

Nice lyrics, but I'm with inthebox and tomder on this one!

I bet if you gave either of these artist the Presidency, the USA would be ruined within a couple of months.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of George W. but I think it's easy to sit there and write songs against a sitting duck.

Show me a country without problems where everyone is happy with their government.

Nope, didn't think so!


******Standing ovation******** Thank you so much for being the voice of reason and fairness.

You have no idea how refreshing your words are. Thank you so much! I just love each and everyone of your words. You are not judging, you are being fair and reasonable.
Thank you again!

Show me a country without problems where everyone is happy with their government.

Nope, didn't think so!Here in Canada we seem to have a few less problems, our PM isn't facing impeachment from his own people and his rating hasn't plummeted. Plus I can travel around the world and not have people hate me for my country's policies. So there's one! They seem quite happy in many other countries. I'm not sure where you get your information.

According to the legend that is wikipedia Canada has a higher rate of unemployment and more people below the poverty line than the US, so Canada is far from perfect.

I didn't state any facts in my last post, just opinion. I think you could go to any country on Earth and ask a group of people about how happy they are with their government and you'll get people who will complain!

The USA has over 300 MILLION people in it, every single one with their own set of problems. I'm saying that you can't expect one man to sort them ALL out!

GWB is in a tough position... he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. He has lost the trust of the American public, and the trust of other nations. Whomever takes over for him has a lot of rebuilding to do...

I personally love Pink's song...

I can travel around the world and not have people hate me for my country's policies.


Let me quote a line from the movie "A Few Good Men "

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you," and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you pick up a weapon and stand a post.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you," and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you pick up a weapon and stand a post.

Best place EVER for that quote, I'd give you a green if I could, but I think I already have recently! *Claps*

Actually it makes no sense in the context. We have our own military and our own government. I'm confused here.

GWB authorizes a $592 million embassy in Iraq, couldn't that money be better spent at home?

Also, in that movie wasn't the character who uttered that statement found guilty of severely abusing his powers? Wait a minute... the quote is indeed pertinent!

You Canadians do your little part. You have even been helpful in places like Afghanistan.

The quote makes perfect sense in the context of travelling to other nations that live under the unbrella of US military protection.

But ;I am curious... with the so called global warming threat ; is Canada prepared to beef up it's costal security when the Artctic Ocean becomes navigiable and a viable sea passage ? Are you prepared to dole out the funding to adequately defend your northern front ?

Yes.

Nice lyrics, but I'm with inthebox and tomder on this one!

I bet if you gave either of these artist the Presidency, the USA would be ruined within a couple of months.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of George W. but I think it's easy to sit there and write songs against a sitting duck.

Show me a country without problems where everyone is happy with their government.

Nope, didn't think so!

Ok, for all posts regarding this type of comment, I think your completely off topic. And I totally disagree. Artists do not sing songs to appeal to YOU and YOUR way of thinking. Pink for example, writes songs that SHE wants to and if you don't like it ''F OFF'' in her words more or less. They don't write songs to please you, they do it for themsleves and for what they believe in. Given, not ALL artists do, but some. Pink was expressing HER veiws and opinions. She NEVER once said she wanted to BE prez or deal with the problems that a prez has to deal with. She never once said that she'd be BETTER than anyone. The point is, the prez and government IS what is wrong with this country the USA. If people want to speak out about it, then let them, maybe they will shed some light to dark places. I think its completely retarded to sit here and be like ''We shouldn't write songs about government because if we do then we must think we can do a better job.'' Or to think that they'd ruin this country. BULLSHIZ. I'd vote for Pink ANYDAY! She has a good heart, stregnth, courage, leadership abilities and well I think if she could be in the running she'd be a damn fine prez. But the point is to try to put words into her mouth and anyone's mouth that speaks against the government, well I think your rude and clearly you do not agree with freedooom of speech so lets go back to the 1300's why don't we. No one EVER said that every country is perfect. But if we'd get off our high horse and stop blindly following the government and actually do something to change it or build the foundations of change then we'd be getting somewhere. If you ask me, song writters on these subjects ARE changing the world. One heart at a time.

As Rayne said, the artists never said they could do better at being president. They wrote these songs from their point of view. But never the less, when you take a job, no one forces you into it. It is your choice. Therefore you are expected to do that job whether you answer to a boss or a whole country. And unfortunately, Mr. Bush has let a lot of Americans down. And if these artists want to share their feelings about it, they have a right to do it. If you don't agree, don't listen. It's that simple. Just remember, these people didn't run for office, they didn't tell Americans, "I will do this," or "I will do that." President Bush did that, and these people feel let down by his actions. So if they want to write a song about his choices, too bad so sad, they can.

When you get older, your post will seem laughable to you. Remember the old saying “If you are not a liberal when you are young... you have no heart. If you are not a conservative when you are old... you have no brain. ...” I know you will totally disagree and say you will never change, but you will. It happens to all of us. It’s amazing how a couple of years of paying taxes, working, and raising kids can change your political view.

Who are we to jugde? Who are we to think 20 years makes a difference... it really doesn't. Paying taxes and having a family changes nothing. Maybe for the waek people. Today's youth will be tomorrow's future give way and get used to the idea. Not all of us are naïve. Not all of us are going to lay down and play dead.

Its unfair to tell someone disagreeing with the lyrics that they are off topic, when you don't consider yourself off topic by agreeing with them. This is a site for opinions and those people were giving them. I like the song, and I give Pink and other artists like her a hand for standing up and voicing their beliefs. That's what our country is for. But I agree with the others that it isn't all on the president. I agree that he is a very poor speaker, and tends to make our country look dumb, and I would rather there be someone else in office, but blaming everything on him is stupid when he is influenced by many other powers in our government. There is this little thing called checks and balances, the president is not solely responsible for everything that he does. It goes through many many many people.

Rayne,
You just proved my point. I was right when I said you would disagree with me and tell me you will never change. If I have the wisdom to know your answer before you even respond, what makes you think I will be wrong about the fact that your politics will change as you gain life experience? Trust me, the change will happen. Remember, your Grandparents were part of the hippie Height / Ashbury Generation. Do they share the same political views as you? See… Everyone changes.

Rayne :

Can you please link us to sites demonstrating Pink's humanitarian efforts?

Your idealism is admirable

But the negativity and chatter {on both sides} is tiresome.

I know I don't have the patience, thick skin, communication skills, diplomacy to be President for a day. I don't agree with GWB [ medicare D, immigration to name a few ]
Also, but would not the world be better if:
- everyone was personally responsible - instead of trying to blame others
- everyone focused on the good and positive of others, because none of us is perfect.




Grace and Peace

When you get older, your post will seem laughable to you. Remember the old saying “If you are not a liberal when you are young... you have no heart. If you are not a conservative when you are old... you have no brain. ...” I know you will totally disagree and say you will never change, but you will. It happens to all of us. It's amazing how a couple of years of paying taxes, working, and raising kids can change your political view.

Actually I'm quite young, so no, I've never heard that saying. I agree with Pink's views totally. There are homeless on the street, do something about it. People hate gays cause that's what their religion says, not cause it's their own opinion. If you love someone else why can't you marry them, no matter what gender you both are? You really think that just cause we're young we don't know what change is? What? You never went through high school? Our troops are dying cause our dumbass president sent us into a pointless war. I don't give a sh%t how old you are buddy, that doesn't give me a reason to respect you. Just cause I haven't had the chance to have a family doesn't mean I don't have a grip on life. I think it's great that Pink wrote a song about her views, she's one of the only ones that can get her views heard. If new generations never pressed their views on their elders, where would we be now?

Also take into consideration the fact that our economy is really doing well right now, our stock markets are at an all time high, and compared to many other countries our health is amazing. We are making great advances thanks to our government. It has its problems, but in all reality wouldn't you admit that we are doing very well compared to other countries? As for the war. What decision would you have made in the same situation as him? Like I said, I'm not a big fan of GWB either, but I think he has done the best he could with a bad situation.

As for the Gay and Lesbian issues, I agree something needs to be done, the government should not control that, but I am not willing to give up our government for another are you?

Preach it Rockerchick... I totally am with you. You are just rude to us because were young.. 21 isn't a kid... lol. I find old people anoying. Move out of the way if you don't like young people. Just deal with it. Join us or fight us. Whatever.


Ohh and our country has tons of problems your just ignoring them

Actually I'm quite young, so no, I've never heard that saying. I agree with Pink's views totally. There are homeless on the street, do something about it. People hate gays cause that's what their religion says, not cause it's their own opinion. If you love someone else why can't you marry them, no matter what gender you both are? You really think that just cause we're young we don't know what change is? What? You never went through high school? Our troops are dying cause our dumbass president sent us into a pointless war. I don't give a sh%t how old you are buddy, that doesn't give me a reason to respect you. Just cause I haven't had the chance to have a family doesn't mean I don't have a grip on life. I think it's great that Pink wrote a song about her views, she's one of the only ones that can get her views heard. If new generations never pressed their views on their elders, where would we be now?

Rockerchick,
Thank you for your concern for the troops - considering I am one and have served in the Middle East in support of the Global War on Terrorism and will probably go back again before I retire from active duty. Just remember, if it were not for the sacrifices of the generations before you, you would not have the freedom to speak you mind in this forum.

Rayne :


My point was that it is easy to talk the talk but who really walks the walk?

Pink is doing the talking - which she is entitled to do
Is she walking the walk?



Grace and Peace

inthebox,

What are YOU doing to make your country better?

From what I know of her, she does charities which is more then enough. A lot of people do the talk and walk. As for me, just so you can't try to push this on me in the future... I come here and give advice for me that's enough.

Raynefreak,

I have nothing against young people. Hell, I have yet to hit 40 myself. I just hate to see people such a limited life experience making such bold statements when everyone knows it's just the ignorance of youth speaking. By the way, if you and your generation are going to takeover the world, please for God's sake, take someone with you to proof read your propaganda. Otherwise, none of us is ever going to know what the heck you are trying to get across in your rants.

I agree that we have homelessness, and that the government tends to try and control things like marriage laws that they shouldn't have a right to, but I still am not against a war that is doing good in a country that needed help. Don't you think those people deserved to live lives of their choosing, instead of the choosing of a dictator? Is it right for someone to think they can come here on our soil and disrupt thousands of lives in a matter of minutes? It is sad that the men and women fighting may die and that mothers may never say goodbye, but those soldiers signed up for their job. It was their decision to go there. They are defending our freedoms and that was their choice... and most of them would do it all over again if given the opportunity.

Need karma:

Not much

I pay taxes
I work with veterans
I pray
Adopted 3 children


I definitely could do more though




Grace and peace

I didn't imply that our youth is going to ''take over the world'' like Hitler or some kind of king. It's just we are growing up and getting older and the older are gettting older and dying off. If you refer to my spelling I can spell, just not perfect. I also don't think I rant and if I do sorry but I like to debate and talk about my thoughts. If people would do that more often the world may be a better place and more people would be understood.

Raynefreak (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/../members/raynefreak.html) disagrees: as I said no one said its all one persons fault. I'm not going to go over what I said again.

Just so the confusion ends. I was the one that said the president is to blame. That he does need to take all the blame. It was in one of my comments but Rayne not once has said that.

Hope this clears up anything and I am sorry if I offended anybody about my comments but I do believe a president should take the blame. At the same time, now looking at my comment it was wrong for me to state that. We need to put the blame on the people who keep voting him in too. So now in defeat I hide and run but admit that my statement was wrong. He should not take all the blame.

Joe

LOL! Joe, I had to spread the rep... but you always make me laugh! I wasn't trying to pick on you or anyone in that comment, just voicing my opinion. All's fair in love in war.

Jesushelper:

It takes a real man to say sorry , even though you did not have to



Grace and Peace

Takes an even BIGGER one to right the wrong --whatever it is

Rockerchick,
Thank you for your concern for the troops - considering I am one and have served in the Middle East in support of the Global War on Terrorism and will probably go back again before I retire from active duty. Just remember, if it were not for the sacrifices of the generations before you, you would not have the freedom to speak you mind in this forum.

I will keep that in mind, stay safe

I agree that we have homelessness, and that the government tends to try and control things like marriage laws that they shouldnt have a right to, but I still am not against a war that is doing good in a country that needed help. Dont you think those people deserved to live lives of their choosing, instead of the choosing of a dictator? Is it right for someone to think they can come here on our soil and disrupt thousands of lives in a matter of minutes? It is sad that the men and women fighting may die and that mothers may never say goodbye, but those soldiers signed up for their job. It was their decision to go there. They are defending our freedoms and that was their choice...and most of them would do it all over again if given the opportunity.

I agree, and I'm glad we're helping people, especially the women that were being treated so horribly. I don't think Iraq was the center of terrorism though. I don't have a solid view on the war because I really don't know enough about it. I just wish so many lives had to be lost because of it.

The argument of "oh well you go and do a better job" should be left in the school ground where it belongs.

Childish argument at best!

Our leaders take on the job of leading us. They are not forced. In fact they push very hard and spend a hell of a lot of money to get there. They have to take responsibility for what happens under their watch.

Not all the responsibility (as we must be personally responsible too), but they must take it none the less.

Raynefreak,

I have nothing against young people. Hell, I have yet to hit 40 myself. I just hate to see people such a limited life experience making such bold statements when everyone knows it’s just the ignorance of youth speaking. By the way, if you and your generation are going to takeover the world, please for God’s sake, take someone with you to proof read your propaganda. Otherwise, none of us is ever going to know what the heck you are trying to get across in your rants.

Our maturity varies, as with every generation. I could never take over the world... hmm I wonder how the government will be in twenty years. Probably the same. I'm glad propaganda isn't like it used to be

Yes I think that statement was completely wack. I mean seriously, were going to take over the world? Give me a bloody break.

Oh, they do not need to worry about you Rayne, or Rockerchick.

They should be worried about dr.evil. He will truly take over the world.

You crack me up, lol. But I mean that statement was so crazy it was bound to be made fun of lol.

No sir people like YOU are why we have terrorism.. but what does that matter? That's not the issue, and this isn't your topic, your off base.

I think he is a troll... he has anwered many posts with this attitude... including one on the pregnancy topic... I found another troll earlier... and reported him this could be the same guy...

Ppl are arswipes and I think they come here just to be so.

There has been an increase in the trolls lately, I have noticed. I think they caught on. But I'm having fun weeding them out... I think I'm going to start posting pics of the troll in central park to every comment they make... just for the fun of it.. lol.

Do it that'd be funny as heck lol!!
ROFL

Ok, for all posts regarding this type of comment, i think your completely off topic. ... I'd vote for Pink ANYDAY! She has a good heart, stregnth, courage, leadership abilities ... you do not agree with freedooom of speech ... If you ask me, song writters on these subjects ARE changing the world. One heart at a time.

How was I off topic? I could sit here and list a million and one things that need changing, but without actually actively doing something to change them you're just whinging!

If something upsets you that much go out and do something about it!

I fail to see how Pink has leadership abilities, fair play, she bang out a tune, but seriously - run a whole country? I doubt it very much!

I also fail to see how my post was against freedom of speech? Can you explain that? I didn't say she shouldn't write the songs, I just said they're of no consequence!

The only way I can imagine these songs are changing the world are if people are listening to them and going out and helping people as a direct result - otherwise people are just going 'Wow, powerful lyrics'

I'm curious Rayne, you said you'd vote for Pink, who did you vote for, because the governmment - and president - you hate so much managed to get voted into office... twice!

I didn't vote for anyone. Manly because of my personal feelings on that matter. I may not like the government but I don't support government. I'm not goingto vote for stupid people. I don't believe in voting right now-but that is my right. However, if I was to feel different and someone I liked or thought could be a good prez sure id vote for them I guess. My statement regarding Pink being prez was an example. I never said she'd actually be perfecrt for the job. I said she may have a few traits that a leader would need. If we took a chance on someone whom we aren't sure about, we may end up having a great prez. Maybe we need someone other then republic or democratic. Anyway, I think your taking my comment too seriously. It was meant as an example that anyone can change the world, even those you don't expect. I do feel that song writters are changing the world. When I hear a song that I can relate to or that ''wakes'' me up in some way I start thinking a bit differently about things. I know for a fact that people can be changed by songs, poems and art. The power of words and art are a very strong thing. I also wasn't the only person who agreed with my comments, read the whole thread. There are a few other's who share the same thoughts so don't single me out and act like I'm all alone in my thoughts. Thank you :-)

I didn't vote for anyone. Manly because of my personal feelings on that matter. I may not like the government but i dont support government. I'm not goingto vote for stupid ppl. I don't believe in voting right now-but that is my right. However, if i was to feel different and someone i liked or thought could be a good prez sure id vote for them i guess. My statement regarding Pink being prez was an example. I never said she'd actually be perfecrt for the job. I said she may have a few traits that a leader would need. If we took a chance on someone whom we aren't sure about, we may end up having a great prez. Maybe we need someone other then republic or democratic. Anyway, i think your taking my comment too seriously. It was ment as an example that anyone can change the world, even those you don't expect. I do feel that song writters are changing the world. When i hear a song that i can relate to or that ''wakes'' me up in some way i start thinking a bit differently about things. I know for a fact that ppl can be changed by songs, poems and art. The power of words and art are a very strong thing. I also wasn't the only person who agreed with my comments, read the whole thread. They're are a few other's who share the same thoughts so don't single me out and act like im all alone in my thoughts. Thankyou :-)
It's not like our votes matter anyway, it's only electoral votes that matter

That would be my recommendation . You both shouild not vote .

For myself . I never miss an election no matter how minor it seems to be. In fact;I wish they would put a jar of purple ink out for me to dip my finger in so I can wave it proudly .

Yes, we must all vote to oust the incompetents.

I am just jumping into this conversation and I did not read any previous post, so my comment is only toward the original post (song lyrics).

I enjoy Pink's music and I would probably like this song if I heard it, but I think that the lyrics to this song are based on a very ignorant idea that one person controls and changes the world!

I am sure that in George Washington's day he could make a big impression on the USA, because there was a smaller population and MOST people had similar views. Today, in George Bush's day, there are millions of people in the USA alone and everyone has their own ideas and views. That doesn't include other countries and there population or views.

We all are individuals and SHOULD be responsible for our own actions, NOT BLAME SOMEONE ELSE! Like the President.

If we are hungry... whose fault is that? President Bush's? NO!! His job description doesn't include feeding us all. Yes, he should care and I am sure he does, but it isn't his responsibility to feed me or you!

If you are homeless... whose fault is that? Bush's too, right? NO!!

The reason President Bush is President is because he did WORK HARD to get where he is. Yes, his Daddy paved a nice road for him, but he didn't study for him through college or rig the election to get him elected. So, believe it or not, BUSH KNOWS HARD WORK! No, he didn't have to dig ditches or work at McD's, because he went to college and busted his tale there!

I am sure that Bush does live in a bubble that prevents him from seeing things from our own point of view, but he is still human and he all makes mistakes!

We all are individuals and SHOULD be responsible for our own actions, NOT BLAME SOMEONE ELSE!! Like the President.Ok, I'll bite. What responsibility could the individual person take to prevent illegal wiretapping, or protect their habeas corpus rights which have been demolished, or prevent the hemorraging of money (and hence bloat up the debt) for the war and the $590 million Iraq embassy? At what point doe the individual get to take responsibility and stop those things?

Need karma:

By taking part in the process,

Vote, even if you think it does not matter,
Run for office - change things from within


We can look at things half empty and give up and scream from the outside looking in
Or
We can look at things half full and be part of the process and change



Grace and Peace

I agree that voting is key but it could not have prevented the abuses mentioned. Even Repubs are sickened.

I'm glad the song touched you... but it's more than a little naïve for me. I believe Pink and Bright Eye's efforts would be better served by directing their hatred toward those that really are evil (http://www.indiadaily.com/breaking_news/90164.asp).

Did they say they hated anyone? No. Now your putting words where they don't belong.

Yeah, I watched the video... its okay, I suppose. Nothing against Pink, she has a few good songs out there but this definitely doesn't stand out as one of the best "eye-opening" songs about the government, president, or the problems in the world today. There are much bigger, more pertinent, issues that this song could have spoken against.

Bush didn't create the homeless problem... this isn't the only war this country has lost loved ones to... Bush isn't the only one to f*** with our rights or fight against homosexuality. Hes actually done quite a bit worse lol but the song doesn't even touch on these points. This song could refer to just about any president

Did they say they hated anyone? No. Now your putting words where they don't belong.

Um, no. Allow me to rephrase. Pink merely wishes to lecture, criticize, chastise and heap guilt on the president - I'm sure from her morally superior platform. On the other hand, Bright Eyes' song is just disgusting vitriol.

Here's my question, isn't there a better way to communicate one's concerns than When he kneels next to the presidential bed/Does he ever smell his own bullsh**/When the president talks to God?

Seriously, can the critics speak intelligently, without the hateful dialogue, or perhaps even bear in mind what the Jihadists are trying to do - or is it mandatory to be in denial of the true evil we face?

... I'm sure from her morally superior platform. ...Dude, most of us have a morally superior platform compared to Bush.

yeah, i watched the video... its okay, i suppose. Nothing against Pink, she has a few good songs out there but this definitely doesnt stand out as one of the best "eye-opening" songs about the government, president, or the problems in the world today.

I agree. See Rage Against Machine for eye poppers. :)

Exactly, Skell! Zack de la Rocha has the experience to speak from!

Gee Pink... did YOU ever work minimum wage with a baby on the way? Rebuild YOUR house after the bombs took them away? Build a bed out of a cardboard box? I don't think so... Let ME tell YOU about hard work!

Dude, most of us have a morally superior platform compared to Bush.

Care to elaborate?

Exactly, Skell! Zack de la Rocha has the experience to speak from!

Gee Pink... did YOU ever work minimum wage with a baby on the way? Rebuild YOUR house after the bombs took them away? Build a bed out of a cardboard box? I dont think so.... Let ME tell YOU about hard work!



How about you do all those things, then when your done you have the right to biotch. She's merely singing about what people go through. She's been through enough, seen enough to be able to sing about issues. Hell I think she even does charity as well as many other artist and actors. YOU don't know hard work either... unless you are outside breaking your back everyday. In the heat, sun and sweat. Like MY dad. If you sit at a desk inside, that's (in my opinion) not hard work. A lot of people don't know true hard work in this sense... big whoop. Doesn't make you bad. She's informed and wants to let them know she knows and cares. *Pulls hair*

Um, no. Allow me to rephrase. Pink merely wishes to lecture, criticize, chastise and heap guilt on the president - I'm sure from her morally superior platform. On the other hand, Bright Eyes' song is just disgusting vitriol.

Here's my question, isn't there a better way to communicate one's concerns than When he kneels next to the presidential bed/Does he ever smell his own bullsh**/When the president talks to God?

Seriously, can the critics speak intelligently, without the hateful dialogue, or perhaps even bear in mind what the Jihadists are trying to do - or is it mandatory to be in denial of the true evil we face?


Her words are not hateful. Read them AGAIN. Her words are very intelligent, you don't care for her and clearly you are a Bush fan. So this thread isn't for you. Of course you people who like Bush woln't agree with Pink or anyone else like her. Get over it and read a different thread. This ones for people who aren't one-sided and who would love to see the prez impeached or whatever. In general those who don't care for the idiot, crack headed prez.That's what he is, his speeches are sooo retarded he's on something. "Uhh yea yea were gunna get that there done...huhh uhhh whats that a wittle birdy..."

You keep saying she's 'been through' stuff! Like what?

And so she should give to charity, she's a cebrity and she's worth millions! I give to charity and I earn next to nothing! That's no way to base an argument!

And to say that desk-work isn't tough is borderline ridiculous, and will no doubt upset a hell of a lot of people!

YOU asked people what they thought of the song 'Good or Bad' and now you're rebuking them for their opinions! Lol!

And I don't like G.W either!

I said work as in outside work... heat, sun sweat... to me and my father is hard work. Pushing buttons isn't. Working in a home with crazy people or ill elderly's is hard as well. I wasn't going to name every damn job... lol. But for the most part personally I feel working outside or with people is the hardest. No one is ''rebuking anyone'' I'm telling how it is in my eyes. What's wrong with a debate? If I don't agree I say something. Oh well, sorry.

im thinking she was abused as a kid, plus do u know how much crap some artists and actors go through? They get no childhood, they get no rest and no respect and no alone time.

I've never heard any claims from her, or anyone else in proximity to her that she was abused. I know she came from a broken home, but that's not uncommon.

Being a celebrity is all about being in the public eye, people love you, people hate you, accept it or ship out, it's as simple as that!

I didn't ask you to list EVERY job, I just said that you saying us desk-jockeys don't have a hard job is mis-informed. Fair enough, I don't break a sweat doing this, but my job is difficult in it's own way. If I wanted to work in a field, or with 'crazy' people, I would have! I still wouldn't think this meant I could berate everyone else for their 'easy' jobs!

Well Meg, you lost me too. Sorry I don't work in a field or in a home with crazy people, that's not where my strengths lie. Good luck with your alienation of people. Buh-bye.

Sorry disagree. If I could write a song it would go the same damn way. Get over it, people don't like Bushy and if they want to sing about how the worlds gone to LET THEM. Just sit back and watch as people will start to open their eyes... Bush ruined us.

Raynefreak, with all due respect, do you really believe that? I have no qualm with people expressing themselves - that's exactly what I'm doing - but whatever happened to civility, respect, rationality? There are people still obsessed with how "George Bush stole the 2000 election" yet I'm the one who should "get over it"?

In my opinion you're giving Bush way too much credit for "ruining" things. Just exactly how did he do that? How did Bush ruin things for you personally?

Well I'm not concerned with myself. Im concerned with this country, the world and people. I see an OK country going to szhit more-so because of the bad choices of its prez. I believe everything I say or I wouldn't say it... lol.

Well I'm not concerned with myself. Im concerned with this country, the world and people. I see an OK country going to szhit more-so because of the bad choices of its prez. I believe everything i say or i wouldn't say it... lol.

Come on RF, you don't mind if I call you RF do you? I know I dissed your singer here but I'm trying to have a substantive discussion. Who isn't concerned about our country (except the Jihadists that started all this)? The economy is humming along nicely, unemployment has remained exceptionally low, and I sleep well at night because there have been no terrorist attacks on our soil in almost 6 years now.

So what exactly has Bush done to make this country "going to szhit"?

Even if that were true is it all his fault, or does anyone else bear responsibility - say perhaps Democrats and other mouthy know-it-alls that have spent the past 5 years on a personal crusade to destroy Bush? Seriously, what value has there been to engaging in an endless mission to destroy the administration? What precisely has that accomplished?

And so I ask again, how did Bush ruin things for you personally? You said "Bush ruined us", how so? If you can't explain it how can you make the claim?

Raynefreak Disagrees: Actually, just because SHE didn't personally do those things doesn't mean that she doesn't grasp the damage it does to ppl, how hard it can be. She feels sorry for them, want's to help them. I think she does charity. Get over yourself.

With all due respsect (which at this point is just about none), Raynefreak, you don't know szhit about this damn country. Its clear that you have not studied the history of this country one friggin bit. Don't you realize that kids have been doing exactly what you are doing for ages? Conforming to non-conformity... its nothing new. Get over yourself.

Back to the subject... Aside from having my home bombed, I have been through all that szhit. Busting my in the hot blazing sun for my child... living on the streets homeless... addicted to every drug under the sun... and look where I am now. I have survived through all that and now I bust my at a desk all day making more money that you could imagine.

And for the record, Pink has not had a hard days work in the sun one day in her life. Do you even know what her life has been all about? So you think that she has the right to give the president szhit for not doing all these things that she herself hasn't done? Think again.

I am not a bush supporter. I think he is a greedy, moronic fratboy. But I do know that the problems within this country run deeper than him. To blame him for all the problems in this country today is ignorant.

If you want to buck the system, you first need to grow up and understand it

Re: speechless post:
He has a point in a way. No president can affect you personally unless he comes to your workplace and fires you or slaps you in the face. So basically every president who has ever served has not affected you personally.

Now if you're talking about runaway debt, lowered world percetion, erosion of rights, condoning torture, etc. then you have a talking point.

Now if you're talking about runaway debt, lowered world percetion, erosion of rights, condoning torture, etc. then you have a talking point.

Fair enough, but even then we still have to get to the details. Which party has done much of anything about runaway debt? Best I can tell, neither.

What caused "lowered world percetion" (sic), was it just Bush and his "imperialist policies," the fact he can't prounce "nuclear," or did anything else contribute? Such as rogue congressmen engaging in their own separate foreign policy ventures, their overdramatic overtures on "abuse," "torture," demeaning our troops (http://www.newsmax.com/images/stories/carry-large.jpg)and references to Pol Pot, Nazis and gulags? What about the overzealous, over-angry protestors running around the country spewing vitriol at every occasion, Hollywood actors and others buddying up to Hugo Chavez, Fidel and Ahmadinejad?

And for that matter, why should we care what people think that didn't have the balls to stand up to Jihadists and a man engaged in genocide of his own people? A man that relished in public executions and tortures, used chemical weapons on his own people, ravaged both and ancient culture and their ancient ecosystem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_Arabs), that gave the finger to the UN and the world for more than a dozen years - all to protect their own slimy deals with this devil?

Which of your rights, specifically, has been eroded? And what has the other side done to preserve your rights? If anyone is a threat to your rights it is the left, which is entirely for free speech as long as it agrees with them (http://www.alliancedefensefund.org/news/pressrelease.aspx?cid=4094), is all for diversity as long as you think like they do (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MikeSAdams/2006/11/07/my_new_job_at_missouri_state_university), is devoted to tolerance in a very one-sided way (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MikeSAdams/2007/04/11/al_sharpton_nappy_headed_race_ho) and fights for freedom of religion unless you're a Christian (http://www.alliancedefensefund.org/news/pressrelease.aspx?cid=4090).

Serious claims deserve serious discussion, not the same old talking points.

Actually you are right. Bush did the best job any man could do. Any negative aspects pointed out by anyone have absolutely nothing to do with the highest office in the country. He is Teflon. My apologies.

How about you do all those things, then when your done you have the right to biotch. She's merely singing about what ppl go through. She's been through enough, seen enough to be able to sing about issues. Hell i think she even does charity as well as many other artist and actors. YOU don't know hard work either...unless you are outside breaking your back everyday. In the heat, sun and sweat. Like MY dad. If you sit at a desk inside, that's (in my opinion) not hard work. A lot of ppl don't know true hard work in this sense...big whoop. Doesn't make u bad. She's informed and wants to let them know she knows and cares. *Pulls hair*

Rayne, you really are letting yourself down with stupid comments such as this above.

It is ridiculous of you to say that the only people who know hard work are those who work in outside back breaking jobs or with people in nursing homes etc.
Such a silly and immature response.

What about scientists who come up with new medicines each day that save people lives. What about engineers who design our roads, buildings and other infrastructure to live a somewhat comfortable life? What about the computer scientists who's inventions and hard work allow you to come on here and express your opinion to the world?

Please don't be so naïve and narrow minded or you will lose a lot of respect that you have gained with some earlier intelligent posts.

I don't like Bush and agree with a lot of the words in Pinks song. But she doesn't know hard work anymore than the rest of us so please don't use that as your argument!

My rights, freedoms and security in my country was in jeopordy because of president bush, and being war, oil hungrey. Soon he will be coming after us.

Again, how so? Don't just level charges, explain them.

Again, how so? Don't just level charges, explain them.Here are a few links:

Open Letter to Gonzales, From the ENTIRE Harvard Law class of 1982 (http://websrvr80il.audiovideoweb.com/il80web20037/ThinkProgress/2007/Page%20A13%205-15-07.pdf)
This ad ran in the Washington Post today, it is from ALL of his classmates from the Harvard Law class of 1982. It chastises his reckless disregard for the constitution for the wire tapping, suspension of habeas corpus, and the recent politically motivated firings.

The Must-Do List - New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/04/opinion/04sun1.html?ex=1330664400&en=38401be198c39c0b&ei=5124&partner=digg&exprod=digg)
The Bush administration’s assault on some of the founding principles of American democracy marches onward.

A New York Times editorial?
The same Jason Blair paper?

Hardly fact.
Hardly credible.



Grace and Peace

So that's it then; any article that you don't like you will simply discredit the source. Figures.

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Open Letter to Gonzales, From the ENTIRE Harvard Law class of 1982
This ad ran in the Washington Post today, it is from ALL of his classmates from the Harvard Law class of 1982. It chastises his reckless disregard for the constitution for the wire tapping, suspension of habeas corpus, and the recent politically motivated firings.


Let's see here, this year Harvard Law School conferred 742 degrees on graduates (http://www.law.harvard.edu/news/2007/06/07_graduation.php), am I supposed to believe they only graduated 56 in 1982? I don't think so, "THE SIGNATORIES ARE ALL MEMBERS OF THE HARVARD LAW SCHOOL CLASS OF 1982," not the "ENTIRE Harvard Law class of 1982." It's those little distinctions that matter so much. And again, the content of their letter is rather vague and unsupported with evidence. You'd think Harvard educated attorneys would know about the importance of evidence over rhetoric. I'm not impressed.


The Must-Do List - New York Times
The Bush administration’s assault on some of the founding principles of American democracy marches onward.

Puhleeeze, you offer a NYT editorial as evidence of Bush assaulting democracy? In case you didn't know let me refresh everyone's memory here on a couple of things the Times complains about.


All the experts we spoke to agreed that the United States was entitled to hold the prisoners while active hostilities continued (http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:ldwHIAX5AsAJ:www.crimesofwar.org/expert/detain-intro.html+detain+until+the+end+of+hostilities&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us&client=firefox-a). This principle is recognized in the Third Geneva Convention and the First Additional Protocol, and is an established part of customary international law.

Any questions?

Several of these on the Times' "must-do list" are extensions of one of their gods, Bill Clinton's policies, such as "extraordinary renditions" (not to mention regime change in Iraq (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c105:H.R.4655.ENR:)).

Ever heard this description of events by former Clinton intelligence advisor Richard Clarke?


RICHARD CLARKE - Snatches, or more properly "extraordinary renditions," were operations to apprehend terrorists abroad, usually without the knowledge of and almost always without public acknowledgement of the host government.. . The first time I proposed a snatch, in 1993, the White House Counsel, Lloyd Cutler, demanded a meeting with the President to explain how it violated international law. Clinton had seemed to be siding with Cutler until Al Gore belatedly joined the meeting, having just flown overnight from South Africa. Clinton recapped the arguments on both sides for Gore: Lloyd says this. Says that. Gore laughed and said, "That's a no-brainer. Of course it's a violation of international law, that's why it's a covert action. The guy is a terrorist. Go grab his (http://prorev.com/gore.htm)."

So why does Bush get all the blame? Do you have anything more specific now, such as facts?

The point of this whole post was to just share thoughts about a song. I liked it. That's all. I'm not going to talk about polotics much, because in the past I'm no good at it, and I don't know much about everything in the world. I care, not much but some. I've never been a bright person, so id rather not continue to make myself look like a fool. I'm also not good at explaining certain feelings about things. I'm sorry, but I'm not. Thus I will appologize until I can actually explain. However, regarding work, I realize that Pink hasn't done REAL work and neither have I. I've just seen that its harder and more dangerous to work outside or in those envoronments. Didn't mean to offened. Just, id rather work inside in a heartbeat (if I had a job).

The point of this whole post was to just share thoughts about a song. I liked it. That's all. I'm not going to talk about polotics much, because in the past i'm no good at it, and i don't know much about everything in the world. I care, not much but some. I've never been a bright person, so id rather not continue to make myself look like a fool. I'm also not good at explaining certian feelings about things. I'm sorry, but i'm not. Thus i will appologize til i can actually explain. However, regarding work, i realize that Pink hasn't done REAL work and neither have i. I've just seen that its harder and more dangerous to work outside or in those envoronments. Didn't mean to offened. Just, id rather work inside in a heartbeat (if i had a job).

Rayne, that's cool, but if you post it on the politics board expect to get feedback. With that said, don't sell yourself short, don't be afraid to share your feelings, and no apologies necessary. The whole point of my responses is to get people to think beyond the rhetoric and the talking points and EXAMINE the facts. If this country is to ever get beyond the viciousness and division that is the state of politics we need to rely more on facts and less on emotion and propaganda.

The point of this whole post was to just share thoughts about a song. I liked it. That's all. I'm not going to talk about polotics much, because in the past i'm no good at it, and i don't know much about everything in the world. I care, not much but some. I've never been a bright person, so id rather not continue to make myself look like a fool. I'm also not good at explaining certian feelings about things. I'm sorry, but i'm not. Thus i will appologize til i can actually explain. However, regarding work, i realize that Pink hasn't done REAL work and neither have i. I've just seen that its harder and more dangerous to work outside or in those envoronments. Didn't mean to offened. Just, id rather work inside in a heartbeat (if i had a job).

Group hug! :D

Id would have given you a greenie for this post but I have to spread it around before it will let me

The point of this whole post was to just share thoughts about a song. I liked it. That's all. I'm not going to talk about polotics much, because in the past i'm no good at it, and i don't know much about everything in the world. I care, not much but some. I've never been a bright person, so id rather not continue to make myself look like a fool. I'm also not good at explaining certian feelings about things. I'm sorry, but i'm not. Thus i will appologize til i can actually explain. However, regarding work, i realize that Pink hasn't done REAL work and neither have i. I've just seen that its harder and more dangerous to work outside or in those envoronments. Didn't mean to offened. Just, id rather work inside in a heartbeat (if i had a job).

FIRST - Your shared your thoughts and I personally understand completely where you come from. Thoughts about the song.

SECOND - Just because you do not think your good at politics does not mean that what you say or do does not effect us all and government. Does not mean that you can not voice your opinion. You, me and everybody else has that right to speak up and say something no matter whether people agree or disagree.

THIRD - You're a very bright person and I personally seen that right away. Your unique and special. In a very good way.

FOURTH - Your very good at expressing your thoughts and feelings it just takes somebody that is able to be understanding and patient without judging.

FIFTH - Do not appologise for being you, do not appologise for expressing your thoughts and feelings, do not let other people shape the way you think or feel. No need to say sorry you did nothing wrong and said nothing wrong.

SIXTH - It just takes one person at a time. Helping somebody just by what you say. Just helping somebody by being understanding. The little things that may be done to make somebody else's day actually goes a lot further then you may think.

SEVENTH - I hope you did not get offended by me answering this way. I do this sometimes. Hope you like it. Lol

Joe