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tomder55
Jun 7, 2025, 01:45 AM
Trump doesn't win the election he was going to jail ;probably for the rest of his life.

Trump was going to lose until Musk signed on to his campaign.

1. He over paid for Twitter and broke the Censorship Industrial Complex. No longer did the Dems and the deep state control the narrative .

2 For 2 decades the Repubs lagged the Dems in registration of voters . They were absolutely clueless despite spending fortunes on ideas to beef up the numbers. They relied on rallying their hardcore base in the hope of squeaking out wins . Musk set up his own PACs and funded them .Then set up his own registration drive 6 months before the election. In short order GOP registrations skyrocketed . He built the base for Trump's landslide victory .

That makes it all the more disturbing that Trump and his surrogates have trashed Musk over his very correct critique of the BIG BUTT-UGLY Bill . That the Dems if they had any sense would vote for because it advances their reckless spending agenda.
The Trumpies say this doesn't cause deficits .... LIE ;it creates larger deficits than Clueless Joe -Hakeem Jeffries did . ($1.83 trillion in 2024.....compared to the CBO estimate of $2.4 trillion for the BBB .
Trump tax bill would add $2.4 trillion to the deficit over a decade: CBO (https://thehill.com/business/budget/5332201-trump-tax-bill-deficit-cbo/)
But what does the CBO know says Trump ? His numbers rely on totally unrealistic economic growth from the revenues of his massive trade war .
Trump vs. Economists: Will GDP Growth Surge to Historic 9% Rate? (https://www.investopedia.com/trump-vs-the-economists-will-the-gdp-growth-surge-to-historic-9-rate-11745560)

Musk called out Trump's BS .

Ignore the CBO ? What about the Tax Foundation ;the Penn -Wharton Budget Model ; the Manhattan Institute ;the Center of American Progress ? Do they all get it wrong too ? This is why twice this year the bond market has wobbled . They thought GOP win !!!! yay time for some fiscal restraint !!! Time for some responsible governance ! This is why America has been downgraded by Moodys.

Musk is terrified at the numbers and he is right to be so. Musk signed on with the lofty goal of cleaning and modernizing the process . He is correct that there is plenty of savings to be found in waste /fraud/abuse . DOGE had identified much of it . But instead of acting on his findings ;the GOP is doubling down on the failed ways of the past ;being the Dem light party .
They instead make disgusting smears and lies about Musk saying that his motives are to protect his government subsidies and EV tax credits .
Are you kidding me ???? Had he wanted to do that he could've easily remained a Dem and put his money toward supporting the green new steal .

“I know that the EV mandate is very important to him; that is going away because the government should not be subsidizing these things as part of the Green New Deal,” Johnson said. “I know that has an effect on his business and I lament that.
Mike Johnson calls Elon Musk criticism of Trump agenda bill ‘terribly wrong’ (https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5330887-speaker-johnson-elon-musk-trump-agenda-bill/)

Here's the thing ;Trump started floating ending EV credits in August of last year BEFORE Musk signed on ;before Musk spent $277 million on the Trump and GOP campaign .
Elon Musk spends $277 million to back Trump and Republican candidates - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-277-million-trump-republican-candidates-donations/)

It was no secret that ending the EV credits was on the block . Yet Musk said nothing until he saw that the bill was a budget buster .

Musk is in good company. They are in complete attack mode against Senator Rand Paul this week too for saying the same thing about the bill.

Trump Torches Rand Paul: 'Actually Crazy' - Newsweek (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-torches-rand-paul-actually-crazy-2080334)

And Paul says he will vote yes for the bill if only they would not add a $5 trillion debt limit expansion . $5 trillion ? They would not want that ceiling unless they intended to reach it !!

Given their natures ,the Trump -Musk feud has devolved into ridiculous personal attacks . Musk has already left the administration as was the plan. But Trump still needs Musk . Together they could achieve great things . But what I suspect will happen is that the GOP will lose the midterm elections in both Houses .Trump's last 2 years will see him again fighting impeachment and the prospect of jail time .

tomder55
Jun 7, 2025, 02:41 AM
Trump doesn't win the election he was going to jail ;probably for the rest of his life.

Trump was going to lose until Musk signed on to his campaign.

1. He over paid for Twitter and broke the Censorship Industrial Complex. No longer did the Dems and the deep state control the narrative .

2 For 2 decades the Repubs lagged the Dems in registration of voters . They were absolutely clueless despite spending fortunes on ideas to beef up the numbers. They relied on rallying their hardcore base in the hope of squeaking out wins . Musk set up his own PACs and funded them .Then set up his own registration drive 6 months before the election. In short order GOP registrations skyrocketed . He built the base for Trump's landslide victory .

That makes it all the more disturbing that Trump and his surrogates have trashed Musk over his very correct critique of the BIG BUTT-UGLY Bill . That the Dems if they had any sense would vote for because it advances their reckless spending agenda.
The Trumpies say this doesn't cause deficits .... LIE ;it creates larger deficits than Clueless Joe -Hakeem Jeffries did . ($1.83 trillion in 2024.....compared to the CBO estimate of $2.4 trillion for the BBB .)
Trump tax bill would add $2.4 trillion to the deficit over a decade: CBO (https://thehill.com/business/budget/5332201-trump-tax-bill-deficit-cbo/)
But what does the CBO know says Trump ? His numbers rely on totally unrealistic economic growth from the revenues of his massive trade war .
Trump vs. Economists: Will GDP Growth Surge to Historic 9% Rate? (https://www.investopedia.com/trump-vs-the-economists-will-the-gdp-growth-surge-to-historic-9-rate-11745560)

Musk called out Trump's BS .

Ignore the CBO ? What about the Tax Foundation ;the Penn -Wharton Budget Model ; the Manhattan Institute ;the Center of American Progress ? Do they all get it wrong too ? This is why twice this year the bond market has wobbled . They thought GOP win !!!! yay time for some fiscal restraint !!! Time for some responsible governance ! This is why America has been downgraded by Moodys.

Musk is terrified at the numbers and he is right to be so. Musk signed on with the lofty goal of cleaning and modernizing the process . He is correct that there is plenty of savings to be found in waste /fraud/abuse . DOGE had identified much of it . But instead of acting on his findings ;the GOP is doubling down on the failed ways of the past ;being the Dem light party .
They instead make disgusting smears and lies about Musk saying that his motives are to protect his government subsidies and EV tax credits .
Are you kidding me ???? Had he wanted to do that he could've easily remained a Dem and put his money toward supporting the green new steal .

“I know that the EV mandate is very important to him; that is going away because the government should not be subsidizing these things as part of the Green New Deal,” Johnson said. “I know that has an effect on his business and I lament that.
Mike Johnson calls Elon Musk criticism of Trump agenda bill ‘terribly wrong’ (https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5330887-speaker-johnson-elon-musk-trump-agenda-bill/)

Here's the thing ;Trump started floating ending EV credits in August of last year BEFORE Musk signed on ;before Musk spent $277 million on the Trump and GOP campaign .
Elon Musk spends $277 million to back Trump and Republican candidates - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-277-million-trump-republican-candidates-donations/)

It was no secret that ending the EV credits was on the block . Yet Musk said nothing until he saw that the bill was a budget buster .

Musk is in good company. They are in complete attack mode against Senator Rand Paul this week too for saying the same thing about the bill.

Trump Torches Rand Paul: 'Actually Crazy' - Newsweek (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-torches-rand-paul-actually-crazy-2080334)

And Paul says he will vote yes for the bill if only they would not add a $5 trillion debt limit expansion . $5 trillion ? They would not want that ceiling unless they intended to reach it !!

Given their natures ,the Trump -Musk feud has devolved into ridiculous personal attacks . Musk has already left the administration as was the plan. But Trump still needs Musk . Together they could achieve great things . But what I suspect will happen is that the GOP will lose the midterm elections in both Houses .Trump's last 2 years will see him again fighting impeachment and the prospect of jail time .

That will be the tragic end to this . What Trump should be doing instead is putting heat on the Repubs in the House who hold the bill hostage for things like the SALT deductions (John Thune is correct in pointing out this is a House problem as there are a handful of GOP blue state Reps who insisted this go in the bill). Basically SALT allows blue states to over tax at the local level and have the Federal Government foot the bill .There is no way this is justified . The GOP has the numbers to pass a fiscally conservative debt reducing budget if they would get some testicular fortitude.

The only thing that separates us from world wide censorship is Musk's X . The EU is threatening to basically confiscate his wealth over violating their speech standards .

In ' Atlas Shrugged ' Ayn Rand theorized about a time when innovators and the titans of the economy who refuses to comply with the deep state just walked away . We are close to that now . Show me the other person with the means to stand up to them ? Trump ? He was pummeled for defying them and only with Musk's help avoided horizontal pin stripes . Trump needs to get his head on right .

tomder55
Jul 1, 2025, 04:03 AM
Musk is 100% correct that the BBB is a sh*t show garbage bill that needlessly adds to the debt .
So Trump made it a point that Musk receives govt subsidies .

Musk says go ahead and get rid of them .Getting rid of the spiraling out of control debt is more important .
Elon Inspires on X: "Elon Musk agrees to eliminate all subsidies for his companies after Trump warns that government support could be cut off. That’s a massive risk for his entire empire and he still said yes. Say what you want, but anyone criticizing him after this clearly isn’t paying attention. https://t.co/O814YN1zlD" / X (https://x.com/Elon_Inspires_/status/1939929466500772074)